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iusticiis umaRlesi sabWo mosamarTlis Seuracxyofaze sakanonmdeblo regulaciis dawesebis iniciativiT gamodis. aRniSnuli mosazreba iusticiis umaRlesi sabWos wevrebma aprilSi, iuridiul sakiTxTa komitetis sxdomaze gamoTqves da deputatebs am sakiTxze diskusiis dawyeba SesTavazes
iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom gancxadebac ki gaavrcela da mediis mxridan bolo periodSi gamoTqmuli mosazrebebi gaakritika. sabWos SefasebiT, gancxadebebi sasamarTlo sistemis upativcemuloba da mosamarTleTa individualuri reputaciis uflebis uxeSi Selaxvaa. regulaciis iniciativis avtoris eva gociriZis gancxadebiT, dasaSvebia mosamarTlis kritika, Tumca ara Seuracxyofa.
iusticiis umaRlesi sabWos wevri SoTa gewaZec Tvlis, rom mosamarTlis Seuracxyofaze regulaciebi unda arsebobdes da rogori iqneba es regulaciebi, mosafiqrebelia. SoTa gewaZe imasac ambobs, rom mosamarTles, Seuracxyofis gamo, arsebuli kanonmdeblobiT, SeuZlia sasamarTloSi sarCeli Seitanos, Tumca, rogorc wesi, es rTuli da araefeqturi gzaa. misive mosazrebiT, sanqciis erT-erTi forma SeiZleba iyos jarima.
– sakiTxi ukavSirdeba ara axali meqanizmebis Seqmnas, aramed farTo diskusiis dawyebas, romlis Sedegic unda iyos sazogadoebis marTlSegnebis amaRleba, – acxadebs saqarTvelos uzenaesi sasamarTlos Tavmjdomare nino gvenetaZe.
unda dawesdes Tu ara mosamarTlis Seuracxyofaze sagangebo regulaciebi da daemuqreba Tu ara aseT SemTxvevaSi safrTxe gamoxatvis Tavisuflebas saqarTveloSi? Cvens kiTxvebs uflebadamcvelma Tamaz bakuriZem upasuxa.
– rogorc Cans, iusticiis sabWos surs mediasaSualebebs, samoqalaqo seqtoris warmomadgenlebs, rigiT moqalaqeebs cudi ar wamoscdeT mosamarTleebze. Tu me vityvi romelime mosamarTleze, rom aris mona, zonderi, moZalade da Tqven amas dabeWdavT, pasuxs orives mogvTxoven. marTlmsajuleba unda iyos umwikvlo, obieqturi, samarTliani, radgan xSirad adamianebi verc policiaSi, prokuraturaSi, saxelisuflebo StoebSi pouloben samarTals da sabolood sasamarTloSi midian, sasamarTlo ki is organo unda iyos, romlis mimarTac geqneba gancda, rom iq aucileblad ipovi samarTals. sasamarTlo xelisuflebam unda ibrZolos sazogadoebis ndobis dasabruneblad.
– batono Tamaz, ras gulisxmobT ndobis amaRlebaSi?
– dausabuTebeli lanZRva da Seuracxyofa, ara marto mosamarTleebis, aramed samTavrobo Tu arasamTavrobo seqtoris warmomadgenlebis, rigiTi moqalaqeebis misamarTiTac usamarTlobaa. sakuTar Tavze maqvs gamocdili, roca erT mxares me gaxldiT gisosebs miRma, meore mxares ki morCili mosamarTle da winaswar vicodi, is morCili mosamarTle obieqtur ganaCens ar gamoitanda. aTasobiT adamiani gaamwares mosamarTleebma. mesmis, rom policia, prokuratura iyo araobieqturi, magram mosamarTleebic xom iyvnen nawili im Zaladobrivi sistemisa, romelic Tavis droze saakaSvilma da `nacionalurma moZraobam~ danerga? dRes mosamarTleebis mimarT sazogadoeba agresiulia, gansakuTrebiT ki is adamianebi, romlebmac sakuTar Tavze iwvnies sasamarTlo xelisuflebis araobieqturoba. Cven xom kargad viciT, rom ramdenime wlis win, mosamarTle prokuroris miTiTebiT Rebulobda gadawyvetilebas, faqtobrivad, notariusis funqcias asrulebda, ise iyvnen erTmaneTTan Sexmatkbilebulebi, uTqmelad xvdeboda ra ganaCeni unda gamoetana. im mosamarTleebis mimarT, romlebic ukanonobas xels awerdnen, agresia iqneba. aseTi mosamarTleebi sircxvilis koridorSi unda gaataro, sazogadoebam unda icodes, vin arian isini da ras warmoadgenen. Tu mosamarTle erT xelisuflebas emsaxura, is meoresac usityvod daemorCileba. mesmis, aravis aqvs ufleba, gamovides da dilidan saRamomde mosamarTle lanZRos dausabuTeblad, magram mosamarTleebs isic unda axsovdeT, warsulSi ra xdeboda.
– rogor fiqrobT, rogor unda aimaRlos sazogadoebaSi reputacia mesame xelisuflebam?
– gvaxsovs da amisi statistikuri monacemebic arsebobs, roca sasamarTlos mier gamotanili ganaCenebis 98 procenti gamamtyunebeli iyo. es realoba dRes Secvlilia, rasac mivesalmebi. komunisturi reJimis drosac ki ar xdeboda is, rac iyo `nacionaluri~ mmarTvelobis periodSi. ar mikvirs, dRes mosamarTleTa mimarT agresia rom arsebobs, rom viRac mosamarTleze ambobs monaa, zonderia. am kuTxiT arc baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlo iyo gamonaklisi, Tumca, bolo 4-5 welia, sagrZnoblad Seicvala situacia da ufro meti gamamarTlebeli ganaCeni gamoaqvT. bevrjer vyofilvar momswre, rom mosamarTleebs sasamarTlo darbazidan gauTavisuflebiaT rezonansuli, gaxmaurebuli saqmeebis, narkotikuli nivTierebis SeZena-realizaciasa da yaCaRobaSi braldebulebi… magaliTic SemiZlia moviyvano, roca batonma daviT mamiseiSvilma policiisa da prokuraturis mxridan damnaSaveebad cnobili axalgazrdebi gaaTavisufla. aseTi ram saakaSvilis periodSi warmoudgeneli iyo.
– mivdivarT im daskvnamde, rom dRes xelisufleba sasamarTlos saqmianobaSi ar ereva.
– diax, ar ereva, amaSi darwmunebuli var, radgan, rogorc zemoT vTqvi, daviT mamiseiSvils `nacionaluri moZraobis~ xelisuflebis dros gamamarTlebeli ganaCenis gamotana gauWirdeboda. faqtobrivad, igi daupirispirda policias, prokuraturas, saxelmwifo manqanas da imoqmeda kanonis Sesabamisad, magram aris gamonaklisi SemTxvevebic, gavixsenoT 11-12 martis baTumis movlenebi da mosamarTle violeta forCxiZis mier gamotanili gadawyvetileba. vinc am procesebSi Caxedulia, aravin daadasturebs, rom imdRevandeli aqcia merab RoRoberiZisa da irakli Cxvirkias organizebuli iyo. yvelaferi policiasa da moqalaqes Soris dapirispirebiT daiwyo. rogor SeiZleba aqciis organizatorebi isini yofiliyvnen. gamodis, am adamianebma iwinaswarmetyveles, rom sapatrulo policia da Svilmkvdari mama erTad mividodnen `plazasTan~, moxdeboda maT Soris dapirispireba, rac absurdia. marTalia, qalbatoni violetas gamotanili ganaCeni – winaswari patimroba ar niSnavs saboloo gadawyvetilebas. imedi maqvs, gamoZieba obieqturad Catardeba da sasamarTloc Sesabamis gadawyvetilebas miiRebs. vewinaaRmdegebi da vaprotesteb imas, rom RoRoberiZesa da Cxvirkias aqciis organizebaSi dasdon brali.
– Tqveni azriT, vin dgas 11-12 martis movlenebis ukan?
– aqcia spontanurad daiwyo, erTi konkretuli problemis gamo. situaciis gamwvavebaSi sapatrulo policias vadanaSauleb. arsebuli Canawerebidan Cans, rom policias SeeZlo Tavidan aecilebina dapirispireba. `plazas~ mimdebare teritoria qalaqSi xalxmravlobiT gamoirCeva. bolo ori Tvis ganmavlobaSi, swored iq werdnen araadekvatur jarimebs. Semdgom, roca ukve nel-nela aqcia masStaburi xdeboda, CaerTnen garkveuli Zalebi, romlebsac surdaT migveRo is, rac miviReT. xelisuflebamac cota moikoWla, aqciis msvlelobis dros orjer gavakeTe gancxadeba da vTqvi, rom aqcia umarTavi gaxdeboda da kargi SedegiT ar dasruldeboda. Tu me, miuxedavad imisa, rom movlenebis epicentrSi ar vyofilvar da Soridan mivxvdi, ra Sedegi dadgeboda, vkiTxulob, ras akeTebdnen specsamsaxurebis analitikuri samsaxurebi? ratom ar miiRes gadawyvetileba da ar gaiyvanes sapatrulo policiis ekipaJebi `plazas~ mimdebare teritoriidan? policiis agresias mosaxleobac agresiiTve pasuxobda. aqcia dasrulda ise, rac CemTvisac da baTumelTa umetesi nawilisTvisac miuRebeli iyo. erT-erT beWdur mediaSi wavikiTxe, Jurnalistebidan, romlebic 11-12 martis movlenebs aSuqebdnen, arc erTi maTgani axsenebs, rom RoRoberiZe da Cxvirkia Tavidan aqciaSi monawileobdneno. maSin, logikuri kiTxva Cndeba, qalbatonma violetam, romelic aqciaze ar iyo, saidan daaskvna, rom swored isini iyvnen aqciis organizatorebi? vfiqrob, mowmeebze zewola moxda. rogor SeiZleba ramdenime adamianma identuri Cveneba misces, wertili da mZimec ki erTnairad dasvas. naTlad Cans, rom RoRoberiZe da Cxvirkia gawires.
– rogor fiqrobT, vin da ratom gawira isini? ra SegiZliaT TqvaT gamoZiebis dasrulebamde?
– xelisuflebas ar surs realurad dainaxos, ra moxda 11-12 marts. im dRes dagrovilma problemebma ifeTqa. daviwyoT imiT, rom Zalovan struqturebSi adgilobrivi kadrebi ar arian, amas daemata socialuri uTanasworoba, samarTlianobis aRdgenis dapirebebi, sapatrulo policiis araadekvaturi jarimebi da moqalaqeebis mimarT uxeSi damokidebuleba. sapatrulo policiis TanamSromelma ganacxada, ar gamovricxav, buxraZes `TaTrebi~ ewodebina aWarlebisTvis, radgan TaTbirze, ufrosis TandaswrebiT moadgilem Tqva, me Tqveni ena ar mesmis da im enaze unda vilaparako, romeli kuTxidanac varo. es ra damokidebulebaa, gamodis, rom sapatrulo policiis ufrosisTvis aWarlebi qarTvelebi ar arian. miuxedavad yvelafrisa, mainc mjera, rom sasamarTlo obieqturi iqneba RoRoberiZisa da Cxvirkias mimarT.
– gavrcelda informacia, rom 11-12 martis movlenebi policiasa da saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis samsaxurs Soris dapirispirebis gamo moxda..
– mec msmenia amis Sesaxeb, magram ar veTanxmebi gavrcelebul informacias. aqcia, rogorc ukve giTxariT, spontanurad daiwyo, Semdeg ki CaerTnen politikuri da sxva Zalebi. baTumi odiTganve strategiuli qalaqia. Cveni mezobeli TurqeTi, roca Cven sabWoTa kavSiris SemadgenlobaSi viyaviT, natos wevri gaxldaT da unda vicodeT, rom Cvens qalaqSi bevria ucxo qveynis specsamsaxurebis warmomadgeneli, romelTa nawili dainteresebulia, aq moxdes raime tipis dapirispireba. vin dagvimtkicebs imas, rom is ocamde adamiani, romelmac bolos lamis gadawva qalaqis nawili, ar iyo marTuli? im Rames vandalizmi da Zaladoba rom moxda, vadastureb, iyo es xelisuflebis, opoziciis, Tu ucxo qveynebis specsamsaxurebis warmomadgenlebis SekveTili, saboloo daskvna sasamarTlom unda dados. magram, rogor virwmunoT sasamarTlos obieqturoba, roca 11-12 martis movlenebis organizatorebad RoRoberiZe da Cxvirkia dasaxeldnen? RoRoberiZem ramdenime dRiT adrec Caatara aqcia `TaTrebis~ TemasTan dakavSirebiT da im aqciaze sul raRac 10 adamiani mivida. faqtia, rom man metis gamoyvana ver SeZlo. veravin damarwmunebs, rom 11-12 martis movlenebi RoRoberiZem CxvirkiasTan erTad dagegma. Tu saubaria imaze, rom braldebulebi raRac momentSi, sadRac, mowodebiT gamodiodnen, maSin xelisuflebas Sevaxseneb, ras niSnavda levan varSalomiZis gamosvla da mowodeba – `xval, 6 saaTze SevikriboT~, iyo Tu ara es cecxlze navTis dasxma?! gamodis, imas, rac xdeboda, varSalomiZe mxars uWerda. mosTxova vinmem mas pasuxi? gamokiTxa gamoZiebam, ras gulisxmobda igi mowodebaSi – `6 saaTze SevikriboT~? vinme dainteresda misi satelefono saubrebiT? `nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebi, mravlad rom iyvnen aqciaze da, garkveulwilad, organizebas uwevdnen mis msvlelobas, dahkiTxes? nuTu or adamianze unda gadatydes joxi?! kaxeTSi, imereTSi an guriaSi SeiZleba daijeron, rom merab RoRoberiZem 11-12 martis aqcias organizeba gaukeTa, magram baTumSi amis ar sjeraT. amitom adamianebs kidev erTxel gauCndaT sasamarTlos mimarT undobloba. mosamarTlem baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlos Cirqi moscxo maSin, roca baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlo cdilobs Selaxuli reputacia aRidginos. rac ufro naklebi iqneba mosamarTlis mxridan usamarTlo gadawyvetilebebi, miT meti iqneba albaToba imisa, rom sasamarTlos kargi imiji hqondes.