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baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlos momdevno xuTi weli daviT mamiseiSvili uxelmZRvanelebs. mosamarTlis
kandidaturas 5 ivniss iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom uyara kenWi da ndobac gamoucxada. baton daviTs
Tavmjdomareobis ramdenimewliani gamocdileba aqvs – igi gaxldaT qedisa da xelvaCauris raionuli sasamarTloebis da baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlos Tavmjdomare
– baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi 2013 wlis 1 ianvridan vaxorcielebdi sasamarTlos Tavmjdomaris movaleobas. 2016 wlis 25 ivliss, axali, samwliani gamosacdeli vadiT amirCia iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom, rac avtomaturad niSnavs imas, rom gavTavisufldi da Semdeg daviniSne mosamarTlis Tanamdebobaze. Sesabamisad, 2016 wlis 25 ivlisidan vasrulebdi sasamarTlos Tavmjdomaris movaleobas. Semdeg raionul sasamarTloebSi Tavmjdomareebis gamwesebis sakiTxi dadga. Sesabamisi gasaubrebis Semdeg, iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom damdo pativi da amirCia sasamarTlos Tavmjdomared 5 wlis vadiT, – gviTxra batonma daviTma, romelic interviuze siamovnebiT dagvTanxmda.
– rogor fiqrobT, batono daviT, ratom gamogicxadaT ndoba iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom?
– vfiqrob, gasaubrebis dros sabWos wevrebs, pasuxebis garda, moewonaT is praqtikuli saqmianoba, rasac rogorc sasamarTlos Tavmjdomare vaxorcieleb ramdenime welia. administraciis xelmZRvanelobis gamocdileba xelvaCauris raionuli sasamarTlodan mqonda. qedis raionuli sasamarTlos Tavmjdomarec gaxldiT, magram iq, praqtikulad, saqmeebis ganxilva ar gviwevda da amitom, rasac gamocdilebis miReba hqvia, xelvaCauris raionul da baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTloebSi miviRe. TiTqmis 10-wliani samosamarTleo gamocdileba maqvs da aqedan 8 weli Tavmjdomaris movaleobas vasruleb. mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi Sesabamisi codna da unar-Cvevebic damigrovda. aRsaniSnavia, rom sasamarTlos sistemis ganviTarebis proeqtis Tanaxmad, iusticiis skolaSi Sesabamisi seminarebis gamarTva igegmeba, rac gulisxmobs imas, rom sasamarTlos menejmentSi dainiSnebian is adamianebi, visac Sesabamisi gamocdileba eqneba.
– rogor SeafasebT ganvlil wlebs?
– es iyo rogorc problemebiT, ise sasixarulo, novaciuri gadawyvetilebebiT aRsavse wlebi. sasamarTlos sistemam, rogorc cocxalma organizmma, ramdenime etapi gaiara im periodSi, rac am sistemasTan var dakavSirebuli anu 2008 wlidan. dRes SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom aseTi Tavisufali da damoukidebeli sasamarTlo ar yofila, vinaidan, aranairi Careva ar xdeba mosamarTlis gadawyvetilebaSi, rac CvenTvis damatebiTi motivacia da pasuxismgeblobaa. Tamamad SegviZlia vTqvaT, dRes ra gadawyvetilebasac mosamarTle iRebs, aris TviT mosamarTlis Sromis Sedegi da amasTan damoukideblad miRebuli gadawyvetileba.
– zaza arTmelaZis ojaxi, romelmac, samwuxarod, sicocxle TviTmkvlelobiT daasrula, brals gdebT, TiTqos arasamarTliani gadawyvetileba gamoitaneT mis mimarT. Cemi in-formaciiT, ojaxi Tqvens winaaRmdeg aqcias gegmavs. ra moxda am konkretul SemTxvevaSi?
– Zalian didi tragedia iyo, rac daaxloebiT ori kviris win moxda arTmelaZeebis ojaxSi da gulwrfelad vwuxvar. arTmelaZis saqme sakmaod sensitiuri iyo, radgan gaubedurda ramdenime ojaxi. protestis nebismieri forma Tavisufal qveyanaSi misaRebia, magram kidev erTxel vityvi Tqveni gazeTis mkiTxvelisTvis – arTmelaZis saqmeze gadawyvetileba, romelic 2015 wlis noemberSi miviRe, vTvli, rom swori iyo. dResac analogiur saqmeze igive gadawyvetilebas miviReb. rac yvelaze cudia am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT, 2015 wlis noembridan 2017 wlis ivlisamde – arTmelaZeebis naTesavs, Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos yofil Tavmjdomares mamuka axvledians aranairi gancxadeba ar gaukeTebia, Tumca, axlaxan axali sicocxle Cahbera am saqmes – sasamarTlosadmi lafis srolas. mamuka axvledianma Tqva, rom masze zewolisTvis moxda arTmelaZisTvis aRkveTis RonisZiebis saxiT patimrobis gamoyeneba, rac mtknari sicruea.
– im periodSi dagikavSirdaT Tqven mamuka axvlediani?
– diax, gvqonda satelefono komunikacia. Aaxvledianis TqmiT, zaza arTmelaZe misi saxlidan gamosvlis dros daakaves samarTaldamcavebma da mTxova, aRkveTis RonisZiebad patimroba ar gamomeyenebina mis mimarT. aqve getyviT, mamuka axvlediani uprincipo, uzneo da matyuara adamiania. vuTxari, rom masalebi sasamarTloSi ar iyo Semosuli da ra gadawyvetilebas miviRebdi, CemTvisac ucnobi iyo. Tundac saqmis masalebi Semosuli yofiliyo, mamuka axvlediani ar iyo is adamiani da zogadad arc aravis gamo miviReb arasamarTlian gadawyvetilebas.
– diax, es mindoda mekiTxa, rogorc mosamarTlem, SeiZleba vinmes zaris gamo SecvaloT gadawyvetileba?
– ra Tqma unda, aravis zaris gamo ar Sevcvli gadawyvetilebas. erTia, dauSvebs Teoriulad Tu ara vinme CemTan darekvas da meorea, adamiani, romelsac aranairi Rirebuleba da pativiscema ar gaaCnia. Cveni urTierToba Semoifargleboda mxolod imiT, rom orive viyaviT sasamarTlos Tavmjdomareebi. raki is im periodSi saqarTveloSi yvelaze didi saqalaqo sasamarTlos Tavmjdomare iyo, Tavs ufleba misca damkavSireboda da albaT, ifiqra, misTvis sasargeblo gadawyvetilebas miviRebdi. yvelaze didi uzneoba mamuka axvledianis mxridan aris is, rom ori wlis ganmavlobaSi zaza arTmelaZe ar gaxsenebia, vidre `rusTavi 2~-is gadacema `postskriptumSi~ ar ityoda, rom TiTqos masze zemoqmedebis mizniT Seufardes zaza arTmelaZes aRkveTis RonisZiebad patimroba. radgan rezonansulia arTmelaZis saqme da misi TviTmkvlelobis Semdeg mTel saqarTvelos ainteresebda, ra SeiZleboda yofiliyo amis mizezi (arTmelaZes saxelmwifo edaveboda 3 bavSvis gardacvalebas), mamuka axvledianma amiT isargebla da piradi interesebisTvis gamoiyena situacia. yvelasTvis cnobilia, rom mamuka axvledianma uamravi gancxadeba, uaryofiTi konteqstiT, gaakeTa sasamarTlo sistemis mimarT da arasdros zaza arTmelaZe ar gaxsenebia, ramdenime dRis win ki kidev erTxel mieca SesaZlebloba sazogadoebis yuradRebis centrSi moqceuliyo, TiTqos is aris wamebuli. sinamdvileSi yvelaze metad sainteresoa is, rom adamianebisTvis, romlebic mis ukan dganan da arasamTavrobo organizaciebisTvis is warmoadgens sasamarTlo sistemis gurus, maT flagmans, miaCniaT, rom mamuka axvlediani sasamarTlo sistemis Tavisuflebis simbolo iyo. rogor SeiZleba, mosamarTleze, romelsac arasodes saqme ar ganuxilavs sisxlis samarTlis an administraciuli samarTalwarmoebis wesiT, Tqvan, rom es adamiani yvelaze magari mosamarTle iyo. marTalia, baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlos Tavmjdomare var, magram saqmeebs ganvixilav. rogorc sasamarTlos Tavmjdomares, gamomeyenebina Cemi uflebebi da ar ganmexila zaza arTmelaZis saqme, ra Seicvleboda? maSin mamuka axvledianis satelefono zaris adresati, daviT mamiseiSvilis nacvlad, sxva mosamarTle iqneboda. aRsaniSnavia isic, 2016 wlis dasawyisSi, iusticiis umaRlesi skolis damoukidebeli sabWos Tavmjdomarem mamuka axvledianma uzrunvelyo da ganaxorciela arTmelaZis ojaxis wevrebis mxridan Cemze Tavdasxma. garda imisa, rom mamuka axvlediani matyuaraa, aseve mSiSaracaa. im dRes, rodesac Tavs damesxnen, imarTeboda mosamarTleTa asociaciis riggareSe konferencia. mosamarTleebis TandaswrebiT vuwode mas naZirala da matyuara. kargad icoda, marTali rom viyavi da swored man rom uzrunvelyo Cemze Tavdasxma, amitomac, SiSiT, asociaciis krebas ver daeswro. sayuradReboa erTi garemoebac – Cemi ganmartebebis Semdeg, mamuka axvledianma, TiTqosda, damatebiTi gancxadeba gaakeTa da Tqva, rom siuJetSi Cemze ar saubrobda. metic, Turme urCia kidec arTmelaZis ojaxis wevrebs, Cems saxlTan ar Sekrebiliyvnen da protesti ar gamoexataT. Aaxvlediani erTmaneTis sawinaaRmdego gancxadebebs akeTebs, erT SemTxvevaSi ambobs, rom TiTqos arTmelaZeebis ojaxTan Sexeba ar aqvs, meore ki imaze metyvelebs, rom arTmelaZeebisTvis axvlediani gavleniani piri iyo da mas endobodnen. bunebrivicaa, is xom yvelaze didi saqalaqo sasamarTlos Tavmjdomare iyo.A roca zaza arTmelaZis mimarT aRkveTis RonisZieba miviRe, Cemma TanamSromlebma moismines, rogor saubrobdnen telefoniT arTmelaZis ojaxis wevrebi da ambobdnen, rogor unda Cagvxedos mamuka axvledianma TvalebSio. es naTlad miuTiTebs imaze, rom maT axvledianisgan garantiebi hqondaT miRebuli – aRkveTis RonisZiebad patimroba ar iqneboda gamoyenebuli. moralurad CemTvis Zalian Zneli iyo `postskriptumSi~ mamuka axvledianis gancxadebis mosmena, didi tkivili miviReT mTelma ojaxma, radgan, zogadad, siuJetiT ambobdnen imas, Tu rogor Seuwyves xeli mosamarTleebma politikuri gadawyvetilebis miRebas da zaza arTmelaZis TviTmkvlelobamde miyvanas.
– ra sanqciebs iTvaliswinebs kanoni, Tu mosamarTles konkretul saqmeze telefoniT Seexmianebi?
– mosamarTlesTan aseTi satelefono komunikacia ar SeiZleba da jarima 2 aTas laramdea. mamuka axvledians, sxvaTa Soris, arTmelaZis saqmemdec hqonda CemTan satelefono komunikacia, ori biznesmenis davaze. iqve vuTxari, rom arc misi da arc Cemi gadasawyveti iyo, Tu ra gadawyvetilebas gamoitanda mosamarTle. swored am ori saqmis gamo iyo Cemze gabrazebuli, mas ar gamouvida is, rac surda. amitomacaa baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlo erT-erTi gamorCeuli, rom Tavad mosamarTleebi iReben gadawyvetilebebs, ra aris swori da ra – araswori kanonisa da im dadgenili praqtikis mixedviT, rasac vaxorcielebT.
– batono daviT, `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg, sasamarTlos mimarT uaryofiTadD ganwyobilma adamianebmac ki Seicvales poziciebi. Aamboben, rom dRes baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlo win miiwevs da gadawyvetilebebic, Sesabamisad, samarTliania, Tumca, 11-12 martis movlenebis ganxilvas ar iwoneben…
– 11-12 martis movlenebTan dakavSirebul saqmeze komentars ver gavakeTeb, radgan saqmeebi warmoebaSia da Teoriulad SesaZlebelia romelime maTganis saqme mec ganvixilo. me rom gancxadeba gavakeTo, maSin TviTacilebis sakiTxi dadgeba dRis wesrigSi da vwuxvar, am kiTxvaze pasuxs rom ver gagcemT. rac Seexeba sasamarTlos Tavisuflebas, sasamarTlo sistema ganviTarebis sxvadasxva etaps gadis. samwuxarod, saqarTvelos ar hqonda damoukidebeli sasamarTlos istoria, Cveni sasamarTlo sul raRac 25 wlisaa, damoukidebeli saqarTvelos pirobebSi, maSin rodesac evropul qveynebs 150 da meti wlis damoukidebeli sasamarTlos tradicia aqvT. Aamitom, Znelia gaiazro yvela is moqmedeba, rasac am rTul gzaze vaxorcielebT. wina periodSi uamravi sakanonmdeblo SezRudva iyo. dRes Tu adamiani 6 epizods Caidens da warsulSi nasamarTlevi araa, mosamarTles SeuZlia STanTqmis principi ganaxorcielos. magaliTad, adamianma moipara sam sxvadasxva ojaxSi sami sxvadasxva nivTi, Tu adre mosamarTle valdebuli iyo, sasjelis Sekrebis principiT misTvis Tavisuflebis aRkveTis saxiT 12 weli ganesazRvra, dRes STanTqmis principis gamoyenebiT saerTo jamSi, SeiZleba, sasjelis saxiT 4 weli miesajos, radan minimaluri sasjeli 4 wlidan iwyeba. swored Sekrebis principiT 10-15 weli gamodioda sasjelis saxiT, Torem Sefaseba igivenairad xdeba. kanoniT SezRudulebi viyaviT mosamarTleebi, ar SegveZlo mTliani pirobiTi msjavris gamoyeneba, bevri sakanonmdeblo problema iyo. am dReebSi, saqarTvelos sxvadasxva regionidan mosamarTleebs Sexvedra gvqonda amerikel kolegebTan nafic msajulTa wesiT gansjad saqmeebze. mosamarTlem, romelic atlantadan, jorjias Statidan gaxldaT (iq gaidlainebia kanonis doneze), Tqva, rom gauWirda 13 wlis bavSvisTvis 10 wliT Tavisuflebis aRkveTa miesaja, radgan gaidlainebSi 10 weli ewera da man ver moaklo sasjeli. saqarTveloSi, sadac, marTalia, sisxlis samarTlebrivi devna 14 wlidan iwyeba, warmomidgenia, msgavsi sa-sjeli rom gamoitanos mosa-mar-Tlem, ra didi, farTomasStabiani aqciebi moewyoba, mosamarTles uwodeben monas, rom man raRacebi ar gaiTvaliswina. sazogadoebebi TavianTi ganviTarebis mixedviT axdenen sasamarTloebze garkveul zegavlenas da zemoqmedebas. mTavrobis Secvlis Semdeg, 2012 wlidan bevri sakanonmdeblo SezRudva moixsna da mosamarTlesac, Sesabamisad, Tavisuflad SeuZlia gadawyve-tilebis miReba.
– batono daviT, gonios mosaxleoba wlebis ganmavlobaSi iTxovda samarTlianobis aRdgenas, rac, maTive gancxadebiT, axlaxan, baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi moaxerxes kidec. sasamarTlo mosaxleobaSi nel-nela dakargul ndobas ibrunebs da amboben, rom mesame xelisufleba samarTlian gadawyvetilebebs iRebs.
– mixaria, Tu amas amboben da mivesalmebi kidec. Aadministraciuli warmoebis saqmeebSi srulad ar var Caxeduli. statistikas moviSvelieb, wlidan wlamde izrdeba administraciul saqmeebSi moqalaqeTa gamarjvebis pr-ocentuli maCvenebeli, rac damatebiT niSnavs imas, rom moqalaqeebi gvendobian da sasamarTlo, Tu sarCeli dasabuTebulia, yovelgvari zewolis gareSe iRebs gadawyvetilebas.
– moqalaqeebi xSirad amboben, rom sasamarTlo maT droulad ar abarebs ganaCens.
– vzrunavT am sakiTxis mogvarebaze. Aamis obieqturi mizezi saqmeTa simravlea. wlidan-wla-mde izrdeba samoqalaqo davebi, gvWirdeba axali mosamarTleebis damateba, raTa saqmeebis ganxilva SevZloT. weliwadSi, daaxloebiT, 4 aTasi samoqalaqo saqme Semodis. erT mosamarTles, daaxloebiT, 600 saqme aweria da sakmaod rTul mdgomareobaSi arian. samwuxarod, mxolod 60-dan 90-mde saqmis ganxilvas asruleben, magram iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom erTi mosamarTliT gagvizarda samoqalaqo kolegia da Teoriulad SesaZlebelia erTi kidev dainiSnos, rac SeRavaTs mogvcems. Aase rom, ori wlis Semdeg, mosamarTles, daaxloebiT, 150-200 samoqalaqo saqme eqneba gansaxilveli.
