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14 ivliss dedaqalaqSi `qarTvelTa marSi~ gaimarTa. aqciis organizatorebi gia korkotaSvili, sandro bregaZe, konstantine morgoSia da lado
sadRobelaSvili iyvnen. isini aprotestebdnen
ucxoelebis mxridan qarTvelebze Zaladobas da
kulturuli Zeglebis Seuracxyofas, ucxoelebis
masobriv da kompaqtur Casaxlebas saqarTveloSi
maTive TqmiT, dasaxvewia kanonmdebloba, xelisuflebam drouli nabijebi unda gadadgas da gaamkacros saqarTveloSi ucxoelebisTvis binadrobis wesi da moqalaqeobis miReba, amasTan, Tu xelisufleba erT TveSi moTxovnebs ar Seasrulebs, marSi isev Catardeba – ufro radikaluri formiT.
`rogorc ruseTis okupaciisgan unda gaTavisufldes es qveyana, iseve unda gaTavisufldes sorosistul-liberastuli ideologiisgan, romelic aris saqarTvelosTvis absoluturad ucxo, xelovnurad Tavsmoxveuli~, – miaCnia `erovnulebis~ Tavmjdomares, marSis erT-erT organizators sandro bregaZes.
`qarTvelTa marSis~ Catarebamde ambobdnen, rom aqciis dros SesaZlebeli iyo, arasasiamovno eqscesebs hqonoda adgili, magram marSi mSvidobianad dasrulda, Tumca sazogadoeba orad gaiyo. erTi nawili Tvlis, rom erovnulobas gvarTmeven da viRupebiT, meore ki xels mezobeli qveynisken iSvers da `qarTvelTa marSs~ rusul proeqts uwodebs.
ratom dadga dRis wesrigSi msgavsi msvlelobis mowyobis sakiTxi, gvarTmeven Tu ara Rirsebas, rogoria saemigracio kanoni, am da sxva saintereso sakiTxebze interviu politolog aslan lorTqifaniZes vTxoveT.
– batono aslan, rogor SeafasebT ramdenime dRis winaT dedaqalaqSi gamarTul `qarTvelTa marSs~? iyo Tu ara aseTi tipis aqciis mowyobis aucilebloba?
– saqarTvelos konstituciiT garantirebulia gamoxatvis Tavisufleba, Tumca saqarTvelos kanoni `Sekrebebisa da manifestaciebis Sesaxeb~ sazRvravs garkveul wesebs, CarCoebs, romlis farglebSic unda gaimarTos Sekrebebi da manifestaciebi. dedaqalaqSi gamarTuli manifestacia `qarTvelTa marSi~ kanonis dacviT Catarda da mis monawileebs amgvari aqciis gamarTvis ufleba hqondaT. msgavsi Sinaarsis aqciebi msoflios bevr qveyanaSi tardeba, maT Soris aSS-sa da evrokavSiris wevr qveynebSi. rogorc viciT, siriis movlenebma gazarda migrantTa raodenoba evropaSi da gamoiwvia nacionalizmis talRis agoreba evropis kontinentze. didi britaneTis mier evrokavSiris datovebis gadawyvetilebac am movlenebis erT-erTi nawilia. aRniSnulma procesebma xeli Seuwyo dasavleTSi nacionalisturi partiebis reitingis zrdas. aSS-is prezidentis doland trampis arCevnebSi warmatebis erT-erTi mTavari mizezi swored nacionalisturi gancxadebebi gaxda. ase rom, radikaluri nacionalisturi ganwyobebis zrda mTel msoflioSi SeiniSneba da swored am WrilSi unda ganvixiloT qarTveli nacionalistebis gaaqtiurebac.
– rogor fiqrobT, `qarTvelTa marSi~ `nacisturi gamoxdoma~ iyo, rogorc erT-erTi telegadacemis wamyvanma uwoda, Tu `axali erovnuli moZraobis~ dasawyisi – rogorc marSis organizatorebi irwmunebian?
– radikaluri nacionalizmi aris safrTxe ara marto saqarTvelosTvis, aramed mTeli msofliosTvis. misi mTavari gamoxatulebaa qsenofobia da homofobia. Tu gaxsovT, axali erovnuli moZraobis dawyebis Sesaxeb gancxadeba 2012 wlis arCevnebSi damarcxebidan mokle xanSi `erTianma nacionalurma moZraobam~ gaakeTa vano merabiSvilis, gigi ugulavas, giga bokerias da sxvebis xelmZRvanelobiT. erovnuli, nacionaluri TemebiT calkeuli politikuri partiebi, politikuri jgufebi yovelTvis manipulirebdnen Dda cdilobdnen eleqtoratis, mosaxleobis mobilizebas. radikaluri nacionalizmi aris rogorc radikaluri memarcxene, ise radikaluri memarjvene politikuri ideologiis matarebeli partiebis maxasiaTebeli.
– rogoria saqarTvelos saemigracio politika da aris Tu ara igi gasamkacrebeli, rogorc amas `qarTvelTa marSis~ organizatorebi iTxoven?
– miuxedavad imisa, rom aSS da evrokavSiris qveynebi bolo wlebia amkacreben TavianT saemigracio politikas, saqarTveloSi misi zomaze metad gamkacreba gamoiwvevs turistebis, vizitiorebis klebas, investorebisaTvis, ucxoelebisTvis saqarTveloSi biznessaqmianobis garTulebas, rac uaryofiTad aisaxeba Cvens ekonomikaze. saqarTveloSi migraciis Sesaxeb ZiriTadi samarTlebrivi baza Seqmnilia: 2015 wlis 14 dekembers mTavrobam miiRo dadgenileba `2016-2020 ww migraciis strategiis damtkicebis Sesaxeb~; 2014 wlis 5 marts – `ucxoelTa samarTlebrivi mdgomareobis Sesaxeb~ saqarTvelos kanoni; 2015 wlis 1 aprils -kanoni `SromiTi migraciis Sesaxeb~. aRniSnuli kanonmdebloba iZleva imis saSualebas, rom ucxoelebi saqarTveloSi garkveul samarTlebriv CarCoebSi moeqcnen da saxelmwifos SesaZlo kanondarRvevebze hqondes samarTlebrivi reagirebis saSualeba.
– migrantebis misamarTiT amboben, rom isini Cvens qveyanaSi ewevian prostitucias, vaWroben narkotikebiT, ryvnian qarTvel ers da a. S. gvarTmeven Tu ara Rirsebas ucxoeli migrantebi? ras akeTebs Cveni qveynis xelisufleba migrantTa arakanonieri qmedebebis aRsakveTad?
– erTia saqarTvelos sakanonmdeblo regulaciebi da meore – misi implementacia. Cveni mosaxleobis nawils aqvs gancda, rom xelisufleba arasaTanadod reagirebs ucxo qveynis moqalaqeebis mier Cadenil SesaZlo danaSaulebze da maT mimarT loialuria. Aara mgonia, am mosazrebas myari safuZveli hqondes. aseve gadaWarbebulia Sefaseba, TiTqos ucxoelebi ryvnian saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs. msoflios TiTqmis yvela qveyanaSi, legalurad Tu aralegalurad, funqcionirebs saroskipoebi, romliTac sargebloben rogorc adgilobrivi, ise ucxo qveynis moqalaqeebi. kargi iqneba, Tu saqarTveloSi aseTi dawesebulebebis legalizacia moxdeba. es biujets damatebiT Semosavlebs moutans, xolo e.w. saroskipoebSi daculi iqneba higienis normebi, janmrTelobis standartebi. ra Tqma unda, adgili aqvs rogorc saqarTvelos, ise ucxo qveynis moqalaqeebis mier kanondarRvevebs, maT Soris – trefikingis faqtebs da masze Cveni samarTaldamcavebi reagireben. rac Seexeba prostitucias, masStabebidan gamomdinare, misi sruli aRmofxvra SeuZlebelia, amas verc erTi qveyana axerxebs, ris gamoc ajobebs, mis legalizaciaze vifiqroT.
– `qarTvelTa marSma~ sazogadoeba orad gayo da msjelobis mTavari Temac karga xans iqneba 14 ivlisis saprotesto msvleloba. paralelurad, saokupacio xazTanac Catarda saprotesto aqcia. ramdenad gamarTlebulia am ori aqciis erTdroulad Catareba?
– samwuxarod, saqarTveloSi sazogadoebrivi azri mkveTrad polarizebulia. erTi mxriv, gvaqvs radikaluri nacionalisturi jgufebi, meore mxriv ki radikaluri liberaluri politikuri ideologiis matarebeli sazogadoeba. orive safrTxea Cveni saxelmwifosTvis. nebismieri radikalizmi, iqneba es memarcxene, Tu memarjvene ideologiis, aris Cveni da ara marto Cveni saxelmwifosTvis damazianebeli. maTi saerTo maxasiaTebeli radikaluri nacionalizmia. aRniSnuli jgufebi erTmaneTs garkveul `iarliyebs akereben~: radikaluri memarcxene Zalebi radikal memarjveneebs `soroselebs~, `garyvnilebs~ uwodeben, xolo radikali memarjveneebi radikal memarcxeneebs – `prorusulebs~. isini erTmaneTs kolaboracionizmSi, samSoblos, nacionaluri interesebis RalatSi sdeben brals. erTdroulad ori aqciis damoukideblad Catarebac am winaaRmdegobis ilustraciaa.
– `qarTvelTa marSi~ sazogadoebis erTma nawilma antisaxelmwifoebrivad, meore nawilma ki patriotul aqciad monaTla. realurad ra iyo misi mizani?
– aqciis monawileebis patriotizmSi eWvic ki ar mepareba. Cvenma Tanamoqalaqeebma gulwrfelad gamoxates TavianTi Sexedulebebi. Tumca, uneblieT, isini safrTxes uqmnian Cvens saxelmwifos. maTi qsenofobiuri, homofobiuri, siZulvilis eniT saubari aRvivebs nacionalur SuRls, anawevrebs sazogadoebas, afrTxobs ucxoel investorebs, zians ayenebs saxelmwifoTaSoris urTierTobebs. `qarTvelTa marSis~ monawileebi upirispirdebian globalizacias. maT aqvT SiSi, rom am procesSi saqarTvelo dakargavs subkulturas, religias. saqarTveloSi am azrovnebis adamianTa didi jgufia. kidev erTxel aRvniSnav, politikuri partiebi cdiloben, es eleqtorati miimxron populisturi, nacionalisturi lozungebiT. ` qarTvelTa marSis~ mizani patriotuli iyo, xolo Sedegi – saxelmwifosTvis saziano.
– eqspertTa nawili Tvlis, rom amgvari aqciebi saxifaToa saqarTvelos evrointegraciisTvis da dasavleTi uaryofiTad Seafasebs 14 ivlisis msvlelobas. msgavs aqciebs dasavleTSi rogori dasasruli aqvs xolme?
– dasavleTisTvis amgvari aqciebi ucxo ar aris. evropaSi da amerikaSi xSirad tardeba msgavsi marSebi. miuxedavad amisa, dasavluri Rirebulebebi, erTi mxriv, moicavs demokratias – gamoxatvis Tavisuflebas, xolo meore mxriv – gmobs siZulvilis enas, qsenofobias, homofobias. dasavleTSic amgvari aqciebi Tavsdeba gamoxatvis Tavisuflebis CarCoebSi, Tumca rig SemTxvevebSi fiqsirdeba Zaladobis faqtebic, saqarTveloSi Catarebuli aqcia ki SeiZleba, evropeli nacionalistebisTvis samagaliToc ki iyos, radgan is mSvidobianad Catarda da fizikuri Zaladobis faqtebi ar gamovlenila. Sesabamisad, arc samarTaldamcavi organoebis Careva gamxdara saWiro. miuxedavad amisa, aRniSnuli manifestacia Cvens sagareo imijze dadebiTad ar imoqmedebs.
– bevrma opozicionerma es marSi rusul proeqtad monaTla. ramdenad samarTliania am SemTxvevaSi opozicia?
– Zalian usamarTlo Sefasebaa da amgvari damokidebuleba momitingeebis, sazogadoebis radikalizaciis xarisxs zrdis. samwuxarod, Cveni sazogadoebis nawili, bolo 28 welia, ver gamovida `SeTqmulebis Teoriidan~, erTmaneTisTvis `iarliyebis mikerebis~ taqtikidan.
– iTqva isic, rom rusuli propaganda Seecdeba `qarTvelTa marSi~ saqarTvelos sawinaaRmdegod gamoiyenos da dasavleTs miuTiTos, rogori aratolerantulebi varT qarTvelebi…
– araa gamoricxuli. amgvari aqciebi verc okupirebul teritoriebze mcxovreb adamianebze imoqmedebs dadebiTad, rom aRaraferi vTqvaT saqarTveloSi mcxovreb sxva eTnikur umciresobebze. rusulma mediam SeiZleba aseTi manifestaciebi antidasavluri propagandisTvisac gamoiyenos.
– marTalia, qarTvelTa umetes nawils aRizianebs ucxo qveynis migrantebi, magram Cveni qveynis uamravi moqalaqec xom migraciaSia, rogorc legalurad, ise aralegalurad. rogor aisaxeba maT sazRvargareTul cxovrebaze `qarTvelTa marSi~?
– swori kiTxvaa. ucxoeTSi saqarTvelos asiaTasobiT moqalaqea migrirebuli. milionobiT eTnikuri qarTveli cxovrobs ucxoeTSi. ra Tqma unda, aseTi aqciebi maT mdgomareobaze dadebiTad ar aisaxeba. TiTqmis mTeli saqarTvelo agresiulad saubrobs baTumSi, quTaisis quCaze eTnikuri Turqebis simravleze, im fonze, roca baTumidan sul ramdenime aTeul kilometrSi, `qemalfaSaSi~, lamis qarTvelebi arian umravlesobaSi, qarTuli saubari ismis, maRaziis gamyidvelebis umravlesoba eTnikuri qarTvelia, maRaziebis nawilzec SexvdebiT qarTul warwerebs, Cveni erovnuli valutiT – lariT SegviZlia SeviZinoT saqoneli anu Cveni fuli muSaobs ucxo qveynis teritoriaze. arasdros gagvigia iq mcxovrebi Turqebisgan raime protesti qarTvelebis misamarTiT. Tu Cvens qveyanaSi radikaluri nacionalizmis talRa masStaburi gaxdeba, araa gamoricxuli, amgvari protesti maTac gauCndeT.
