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saqarTvelos mTavrobis #41 dadgenileba 2016 wlis
28 ianvars gamoica da `Senoba-nagebobis usafrTxoebis wesebs~ Zireulad moicavs
dadgenileba, romelsac xels qveynis premier-ministri giorgi kvirikaSvili awers, 2017 wlis 1 ianvridan amoqmedda. dokumentSi gawerilia yvela is moTxovna, romelic aucilebelia mSeneblobisTvis. axals arafers vityvi, mxolod SegaxsenebT, rom bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi, mTeli qveynis masStabiT mSeneblobebi qaosurad mimdinareobda, aravin kiTxulobda, vin ras da rogori xarisxiT aSenebda. mTavari, biznesisTvis xelisSewyoba da biujetTan erTad, viRacebis jibeSi soliduri Tanxebis Cadeba gaxldaT.
rogorc amboben, amieridan mSeneblobebs metad gaakontroleben, Tumca, amas dro gviCvenebs. manamde ki im proeqtze getyviT, romelic aWaridan dadgenilebis amoqmedebis Semdeg, pirveli moiwones. 7-sarTuliani, mravalbiniani saxlis proeqti `metro dizainis~ direqtorma, arqiteqtorma zaal jafariZem moamzada. man vrclad da sainteresod isaubra ara mxolod mTavrobis aRniSnul dadgenilebaze, aramed, zogadad, samSeneblo sferoSi arsebul situaciaze. arqiteqtori kolegebs urCevs, – gaecnon mTavrobis dadgenilebas da mixvdebian, rom es axireba ki ara, Cveni usafrTxo xvalindeli dRis moTxovnaa. 7-sarTuliani korpusis mSenebloba sul male baTums SemoerTebul teritoriaze daiwyeba. zaal jafariZe darwmunebulia, rom saxls zedamxedvelobis samsaxuri uproblemod Caibarebs.
– batono zaal, mainc ra weria mTavrobis 41-e dadgenilebaSi?
– weria is, rom rogorc aqamde Sendeboda, ise aRar aSendeba. martivad agixsniT: magaliTad, aSenda 100-biniani korpusi. Tu marketingis TvalsazrisiT SevxedavT, TiTo binisTvis TiTo manqana unda warmovidginoT. gamodis, 100-binian korpuss amdenive manqanisTvis miwisqveSa parkingi unda hqondes, Tumca ar aqvs… iciT, ra dagvemarTa Cven? komunisturi periodi amovWeriT Cveni cxovrebidan, gvian mivxvdiT, komunistebis droindeli regulaciebi rom dagvecva, SedarebiT kargi mdgomareoba iqneboda. 41-e dadgenilebis mixedviT, dRes gamoricxulia igive iusticiis saxlis da anbanis koSkis aSeneba. marto parkingze araa saubari. mTavari principia, Tu Sen cecxli mogekideba, me ar unda daviwva. Ddiax, pirveli moTxovnaa, binidan binaSi cecxli ar gadavides. meore – erTi binidan ar gadavides imave sarTulsa da sarTulidan sarTulze. finali ki aris is, rom korpusidan korpusze ar gadavides cecxli. dadgenileba mxolod Sen mier asaSenebel korpusze ar gaZlevs fiqris saSualebas, meore korpuszec unda ifiqro. mTavrobis es dadgenileba amerikuli standartis originalia. yvelas gvaxsovs 11 seqtemberi, amerikaSi `tyupebis~ mzidi konstruqciebi da liftebi mzad ar aRmoCnda – TviTmfrinavis dajaxebis da cecxlis modebis periodSi daaxloebiT 3 aTasamde adamiani daiRupa, 5 aTasamde adamianis evakuacia ver moxerxda. axali dadgenileba gveubneba, rom mzad unda viyoT evakuaciisTvis. amas mSeneblebis mxridan didi aurzauri mohyva. faqtobrivad, gauZvirdaT mSenebloba, radgan aucilebelia cecxlmedegi masalebiT damzadebuli liftebi, kibis ujredi, sprinkleruli sistema. Tu 37 metrze meti simaRlisaa Senoba, yvela binaSi unda iyos avtomaturi cecxlmaqri. es mSeneblebisTvis axali xili aRmoCnda, arada, mTavrobam yvelas daugzavna Setyobineba, rom 41-e dadgenileba 2017 wlidan amoqmeddeboda. amoqmedda kanoni da yvelam gamoTqva mosazreba, rom aman biznenis sferos paralizeba gamoiwvia.
– ram SeaSina mSeneblebi?
– daproeqtebis Temas ver moerivnen, mSenebloba ki sxva Temaa…
– mizezi kvalificiuri arqiteqtorebis simcire xom araa?
– qarTuli xasiaTidan gamomdinare, sanam mTavrobam ar daavala, arqiteqtorebma ar CaTvales saWirod zedmetad Tavis Sewuxeba. 2017 wlis 1 ianvridan Setanili proeqtebidan, baTumis urbanuli dagegmarebisa da arqiteqturis samsaxurma erT-erTi pirveli nebarTva mravalbiniani Senobis asagebad `metro dizains~ misca.
– ese igi, `pionerebi~ yofilxarT…
– Cvenma proeqtma dedaqalaqSi gaiara eqspertiza, radgan regionSi amis saSualeba ar aris – aq aravis hqvia eqsperti. nebarTvis gamcemma organom xom unda gaakontrolos, Semdeg ra Sendeba? amitom am organos didi pasuxismgebloba akisria – rogorc Tqven TqviT, Cveni organizacia marTlac `pioneria~ gavakeTeT lifti, sadac sakace eteva, aseve, Sesabamisi zomis gasasvlelebi, fanjrebi cecxlmedegi minebiT… mSeneblobisas sertificirebuli masala unda gamoiyeno. kanoniT zedamxedvelobis samsaxurs ufro meti valdebuleba mieniWa – aSenebuli im moTxovnebiT unda Caibaros, rac 41-e dadgenilebaSi devs. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, gamodis, rom SevaTanxmebT proeqts, Semdeg ki ar gavakeTebT rogorc saWiroa da eqspluataciaSi mainc `CavuSvebT~ sxvadasxva gzebiT.
– Caubarebeli korpusebi mravlad aris aWaraSi, sadac wlebia, ojaxebi cxovroben…
– am sakiTxSi humanuri ver viqnebi. Caubarebeli korpusebi niSnavs, rom araferi gaiTvaliswines mSeneblobis procesSi, Cabarebis dros rom problema ar SeqmnodaT. 37-ian wlebSi davbrundeT da davxvritoT adamianebi-meTqi, ver vityvi, magram korpusi, romelic Cabarebas ar eqvemdebareba, dasaSlelia. es mogvcems saSualebas, xval viRacam uxarisxod ar aaSenos. axali kanonmdeblobiT amas veravin izams. yvelam unda vicodeT – sadac SeiZleba aSeneba, iq unda aSendes. mSenebeli, romelic erT uxarisxo saxls Caabarebs, meore dResve axlis agebaze daiwyebs fiqrs, radgan Tu erTxel uproblemod gamouvida, meored da mesamed – ratomac ara?..
– dRes rom Caubarebeli saxlebis daSlis Tema dadges dRis wesrigSi, xom warmogidgeniaT, ras miviRebT…
– marTlac gamouvali situaciaa. CvenTan, samwuxarod, arCevnebs ukavSirdeba yvelaferi. viRac arCevnebTan miaxloebul vadaSi moaxerxebs da Caabarebs korpuss, viRac vera da momaval arCevnebs daelodeba… qarTvelebis yvelaze cudi Tvisebaa – raRacis gamo raRacis daTmoba, rasac sabolood, arakeTilsindisierebamde mivyavarT…
– mSeneblobebs rom aravin akontrolebs, esec cxadia…
– 2007 wels maSindelma prezidentma, biznesis xelSewyobis mizniT, kanonmdeblobidan amoWra mSeneblobis kontroli. me arqiteqtori var da proeqts vakeTeb, konstruqtori ki iTvlis, Senoba rogor aSendes. im periodSi nebarTvis gacemaze moixsna konstruqciuli nawili, marto arqiteqtura iyo sakmarisi, anu proeqts waradgendi da gimtkicebdnen. aravin kiTxulobda, rogor dadgeboda fexze, gauZlebda Tu ara grunti da sxva.
– gindaT TqvaT, rom dRes mdgomareoba gamosworebulia?
– ara, gamosworebulia-meTqi, ver vityvi. vinc 41-e dadgenilebaze treningebi gaviareT, zepirad gviTxres – aucileblad Semova savaldebulo zedamxedvelobao.
– batono zaal, binis SeZenisas ras unda mivaqcioT yuradReba?
– mSeneblis xasiaTsa da keTilsindisierebazea damokidebuli, rogor aaSenebs, gamoiyenebs im masalas, romelsac konstruqtori SesTavazebs Tu gaakeTebs ekonomias da ise gayidis. mTavari xerxemalia da ara vizuali, rac kanoniT ar kontroldeba. meria iTxovs me-3, me-4 klasis Senobis konstruqciuli nawilis eqspertizas. ra da rogor Sendeba, es mxolod mSeneblis finansebma, xasiaTma da RmerTma icis… vfiqrob, zedamxedvelobis samsaxurSi meti Tanxa unda Cadon im adamianebisTvis, vinc iqaa dasaqmebuli, rom kargad SeZlon Cveni janmrTelobis, xvalindeli dRis, sicocxlis kontroli.
– gvyavs ki kvalificiuri kadrebi, romlebic gaakontroleben mSeneblobas?
– am SemTxvevaSic, 80-ian wlebSi gamozrdili kadrebis mowveva xdeba saWiro. Seuracxyofas aravis vayeneb, arc sakuTar Tavs, magram saqarTvelom mniSvnelovani nawili gamotova mSeneblobis sferoSi. savaldebulo sagnad skolebSi xazva aRar iswavleba. mSeneblobaze gvqondes aqcenti da xazvas ar vaswavlideT momaval Taobas – absurdia. xazvis swavla mainc da mainc imas ki ar niSnavs, yvelam kargad icodes xazva, magram xedvis unars gamoimuSaveben, imas mainc aRiqvamen, ra aris kargi da ra cudi. Tu dRes ganaTlebaSi ar CavdebT fuls, mere milionebis gadaxda mogviwevs specialistebis mosawvevad.
– TiTqmis yvela Zvel korpusze sarTulebs adgamen. ramdenad rekomendebulia es?
– e.w. xruSCovka me-6 sarTulis daSenebas konstruqciulad itans. marto daSenebaze ki ara, miSenebazec problemaa. zogadad, yvelam unda SevignoT – iq, sadac veteviT, moSeneba araa saWiro. gyofnis 2 kvadrati, icxovre 2 kvadratSi, gWirdeba 80? iyide, batono.
– mWirdeba erTia, magram finansebi?
– mesmis, magram arc miSenebaa gamosavali.
– miSeneba-daSenebaze Sesabamisi samsaxurebi xom gascemen nebarTvas?
– meriis arqiteqturis samsaxuri miSenebis nebarTvas ar gascems, Tu es ar xdeba mTlian korpusze.
– sad raa miSenebuli, brma unda iyo, rom ver xedavde…
– ra gaakeTos meriam? vfiqrob, amxanagobis Tavmjdomareebma, romlebic mxolod fulis Sesagroveblad dadian mezoblebTan da winasaarCevnod xmebis mosagroveblad, unda gaakontrolon, ra xdeba miSeneba-daSenebis SemTxvevaSi. korpuss unda upatronos man, visac ndoba gamoucxades. an kidev, Tu mezobeli wyals CamogiSvebT, Tqven ki ar unda axvideT da iCxuboT, unda movides amxanagobis Tavmjdomare da daavalos, moawesrigos Zveli wylis sistema. meriam rogor gaigos, Tu vinme RamiT moiyvans sanaTesaos da aivans miaSenebs?
– roca dainaxavs?
– am SemTxvevaSi, meriis damcveli gamoval – ar SeiZleba yvelaferi mTavrobas movTxovoT, davavaldebuloT. Cvenc xom unda gavakeToT raRac.
– bolo periodSi K2 koeficienti mSeneblebis mxridan apelirebis Temad iqca. amboben, rom mTavroba koeficientis SezRudviT Cvenc gvzRudavs da mSeneblobebi SeCerebuliao.
– arc mSeneblobebia SeCerebuli da arc K2 koeficientze – nebarTva. ubralod, principuli gadawyvetileba miiRes, Zalian mWidrod dasaxlebul teritoriaze, sadac 4-sarTulianze meti Senoba araa agebuli, iq ar aSendes 15-20 sarTuliani korpusebi. rac aqamde dauSavda qalaqs, sakmarisia.
– dabolos, batono zaal, gaJRerda, rom cvlilebebia mosalodneli 41-e dadgenilebaSi?
– diax, rigi cvlilebebi igegmeba, rac ufro xelmisawvdoms, martivs gaxdis proeqtirebasac da Semdeg – mSeneblobasac.
