ლაშა კომახიძე: ერთ-ერთი კითხვა, რომელიც დამებადა, ასეთი იყო – არსებობს თუ არა დოკუმენტი, რომელიც მერიის საბინაო ფონდის გამოყენების წესს განსაზღვრავს?
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qalaqis axlad arCeuli meri laSa komaxiZe ramdenime dRis win redaqciaSi gvewvia da baTumelebis gzavnils upasuxa, romelic gazeT `aWaris~ wina nomerSi daibeWda
– batono laSa, rogor apirebT baTumelebis socialur-ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gaumjobesebas?
– kiTxva bevr aspeqts moicavs. is, rac exeba qalaqis meurneobas da mis mowesrigebas, emsaxureba qalaqis mcxovreblebis socialuri fonis gaumjobesebas, dawyebuli qalaqmSeneblobiT da qalaqganviTarebiT, damTavrebuli igive wyalkanalizaciis, satransporto problemis, binaTmSeneblobis, qalaqis ganaSenianebis, garevaWrobis problemis mogvarebiT. am mimarTulebebiT araerTxel misaubria winasaarCevno periodSi da gamiJRerebia gegmebi. aviRoT qalaqmSenebloba da qalaqis ganviTareba – dResac gavimeoreb, baTums sWirdeba da eqneba kidec ganviTarebis gegma. dasrulebulia qalaqSi istoriuli da kulturuli statusis mqone Zeglebis, sxva aqtivebis aRnusxva. 2018 wels vgegmavT saerTaSoriso tenderi gamovacxadoT baTumis generaluri gegmis dokumentis SesaZenad. gegma gansazRvravs, Tu sad ra unda aSendes, ra mimarTulebiT ganviTardes qalaqi. generaluri gegma, darwmunebuli var, gadawyvets iseT sakiTxebs, romlebic bevr kiTxvis niSans badebs. aqve minda vTqva, rom ramdenime dRis win Sexvedra gvqonda arasamTavrobo seqtorTan, sadac mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem gaaJRera, rom mTeli qalaqis generaluri gegmis Seqmnamde, rac xangrZlivi procesia, calke movamzadebT misi ori nawilis – Zveli baTumisa da gonio-kvariaTis generalur gegmas, romelic Semdeg didi generaluri gegmis nawili iqneba. Zveli baTumis gegma daCqarebul tempSi momzaddeba, raTa iq arsebul kulturul memkvidreobas, am ubnis ganviTarebas da perspeqtivebs saTanado yuradReba mivaqcioT. xSirad ismis kiTxvebi, rogor davicavT kulturul memkvidreobas, xom ar gaxdeba kulturuli memkvidreobis Zeglebi investiciebis msxverpli an piriqiT – investiciebis ganxorcielebas xeli xom ar SeeSleba. es ormxrivi procesia, sakmaod mgrZnobiare Temaa da amitom gadavwyviteT, am sakiTxs rac SeiZleba droulad davusvaT wertili, vaCvenoT Zveli baTumis swori ganviTarebis gza iq arsebuli Zeglebisa da Senobebis dacvis gziT, ise, rom arc investori dazaraldes da arc Cveni memkvidreoba daziandes. aqve minda giTxraT, rom TqvenTan mosvlamde moviare barcxanis, Waobis, boni-gorodokis dasaxlebebi. mimdinare keTilmowyobiT samuSaoebs winaswar vecnobi da amiT dros vigeb. marTlac masStaburi samuSaoebi mimdinareobs, proeqtebis nawili 2018 welSi gadadis. aseve, vgegmavT axali quCebis reabilitacias. es aris msxvili infrastruqturuli proeqtebi, romlebic mniSvnelovnad aisaxeba mosaxleobis socialur mdgomareobaze, radgan aqamde, qalaqis xsenebul nawilSi ara mxolod gzebi iyo mouwesrigebeli, transporti ar dadioda, mosaxleoba ramdenime aseul metrs fexiT gadioda. qalaqSi avariuli saxlebis problemacaa. am sakiTxs or nawilad davyof: aris Senobebi, romlebic saWiroebs gamagreba-gamyarebas da Sesabamisi proeqtebi Cadebuli gvaqvs biujetSi. garda amisa, zogierTi Senobis sardafSi, wyal-kanalizaciis sistemis gaumarTavobis gamo, wyali Sedis, rasac erTjeradi amotumbva ar Svelis da saWiroa Sesabamisi samuSaoebis Catareba. yvela sakiTxi dRis wesrigSia da mogvardeba.
– qaosuri mSeneblobebis daregulirebas rogor apirebT?
– martivad – nebiT. Tu aris neba, rom ar dauSva qaosuri, ukanono mSeneblobebi da igi dauqvemdebaro regulaciebs da kanonebs, problemasac gadaWri. arqiteqtorebi metad unda CavrToT saqmeSi, rom saxlis aSenebiT ar Seiqmnas qalaqSi ventilaciis problema, rom sinaTle Sevides yvela binaSi da a. S. amis gakeTeba rTuli araa. ase rom, ar vuCivi nebis, mzadyofnis arqonas da vfiqrob, meyofa Zalebi, ar mivce gasaqani ukanono da qaosur mSeneblobebs.
– batono laSa, Tqveni merobis periodSi dafinansdeba Tu ara gaurkveveli konkursebi, magaliTad, iseTi, rogoric iyo `mis da mister planetis~ gamovlena?
– araerTxel miTqvams, qalaqis merias unda hqondes ganaTlebis, kulturis, jandacvis, sportisa da cxovrebis jansaRi wesis ganviTarebis, SSm pirebis qalaqis cxovrebaSi ukeTesad integrirebis, ucxo qveynis moqalaqeebis baTumis cxovrebaSi ukeT integraciis da sxva, msgavsi sakiTxebis ganviTarebis politika. amas Sesabamisi politikuri dokumenti sWirdeba, rac saxelmZRvanelo unda iyos, Tu risi miRweva gvinda drois garkveul monakveTSi. Cven aseT dokumentebs SevqmniT. amasTan, dokumentSi Cawerili iqneba, rom qalaqi konkretuli RonisZiebebis meSveobiT miaRwevs konkretul miznebs. Tu RonisZieba miznebis miRwevas emsaxureba – faseulia. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi – fuWad daixarjeba Tanxebi. amitom, aseTi tipis dokumenti ara mxolod meriisTvis, aramed moqalaqeebisTvisac saxelmZRvanelo iqneba, rom awonon ramdenad efeqturad xarjavs fuls qalaqis municipaliteti ama Tu im miznis misaRwevad. dokumenti SeqmnisTanave sajaro gaxdeba da yvelas eqneba saSualeba, mis srulyofaSi monawileoba miiRos. amdenad, zemoT xsenebuli konkursi da sxvac, advilad gamoCndeba, ra miznebs emsaxureba.
– rogor fiqrobT, eTmoba Tu ara dRes saTanado yuradReba kulturas da mwerlobas Cvens qalaqSi?
– Tqven warmoidgineT, kulturasa da xelovnebaze meriis biujetidan sakmaod didi Tanxebi ixarjeba. davubrundebi isev politikuri dokumentebis ararsebobas. swored imis gamo, rom ar viciT, saiT mivdivarT am mimarTlebebiT, adamianebi Tvlian, rom araferi keTdeba. mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom fragmentulia RonisZiebebi, amitom Znelia yvelaferi aRiqva erT sistemaSi. Cems winasaarCevno danapirebSi Sedis xsenebuli dokumentebis momzadeba, razec muSaobas pirvelive dRidan daviwyebT. imedia, meriis sakadro resursic Segviwyobs xels, SevadginoT Zlieri dokumentebi.
– Tavadve axseneT Sesabamisi kvalifikaciis specialistebi. baTumelebis nawili fiqrobs, rom aseTebi am etapze meriaSi ar arian.
– es gamoCndeba Cemi iq misvlis Semdeg. vici, konkretulad ra maqvs gasakeTebeli, rac winasarCevno programaSic Cavde. im programas sWirdeba Sesabamisi codnisa da kvalifikaciis adamianebi. Tuki aseTebi arian, vfiqrob, umniSvnelo reorganizacia iqneba saWiro efeqturi muSaobisTvis – struqturuli da organizaciuli gadalageba. kvalificiuri kadrebi SeinarCuneben samsaxurs da dasawinaurebel kadrebs davawinaurebT kidec. Tuki adamiani masze dakisrebul movaleobas Tavs ver gaarTmevs, albaT Tavadve miiRebs adekvatur gadawyvetilebas.
– sul male premia-danamatebi kanonis farglebSi moeqceva, magram sajaro samsaxurebSi gacemuli Tanxebi araerTxel yofila sazogadoebis ganxilvis Tema. iqneba Tu ara Tqveni merobis periodSi es Tema aqtualuri?
– soflis meurneobis saministroSi rom vmuSaobdi, sapasuxismgeblo poziciebze axali kadrebis mosazidad reorganizaciis sam etapad Catareba gaxda saWiro. amis erT-erTi mizezi iyo is, rom maRali kvalifikaciis adamianebs, romlebic dRes, ZiriTadad, arasamTavrobo da kerZo seqtorSi arian dasaqmebulebi da Sesabamisad, maRali anazRaurebac aqvT, ar surT sajaro seqtorSi wamosvla – udidesi pasuxismgeblobis aReba dabali anazRaurebis da mudmivi dayvedrebis pirobebSi. sajaro struqturebSi xelfasebi pasuxismgeblobis Sesabamisi araa, rasac mohyveba mudmivi dayvedreba yovel premiasa da danamatze. samwuxarod, premia sajaro seqtorSi dabali anazRaurebis kompensaciaa – cotaTi interesi rom gauCndeT adamianebs da sxvagan ar wavidnen, radgan, rogorc ki vinme karg sajaro moxeled yalibdeba, kerZo seqtorSi gadadis. amitom, vfiqrob, erTi mxriv, Zalian safrTxiloa es Tema. wina periodisgan gansxvavebiT, roca soliduri Tanxebi midioda premiebSi, dRes sxva viTarebaa, magram, amave dros, Cven Sesabamisad unda SevafasoT im TanamSromlebis muSaoba, visi premia-danamatic xSirad xdeba xolme skandalis safuZveli. mediis warmomadgenlebi, imisaTvis, rom kargad gaabuqon cifrebi, amboben, Tu ra Tanxa gaica 8 Tvis ganmavlobaSi premiebze, radgan erTi Tve xma-
maRla ar JRers. rva Tves da rva wels Tu davajamebT, saboloo cifri, bunebrivia, didi iqneba, an sam saministros erTad Tu moviyvanT magaliTisTvis. 2018 wlis pirveli ianvridan es yvelaferi mowesrigdeba da premia iqneba gansakuTrebuli damsaxurebis aRsaniSnavi, romlis ukanac seriozuli dasabuTeba unda iyos.
– qalaqSi warwerebs Tu miaqcevT yuradRebas da wina planze Tu gadmoinacvlebs qarTuli?
– amas manamdec vaqcevdi yuradRebas, axlac da momavalSic mivaqcev, magram droa saWiro. pirdapir rom mivadgeT, mTeli qalaqi dasajarimebelia Sesabamisi wesis darRvevisTvis, rac mosaxleobis gaRizianebas gamoiwvevs. saWiroa sainformacio tipis samuSaoebis Catareba da gonivruli drois micema sakiTxis gamosasworeblad.
– batono laSa, ras upirebT usaxlkaroebs, TviTneburad SeWrilebs, mravalSvilianebs? rogor apirebT gankargoT meriis sabinao fondi?
– vici, rom merias aqvs sabinao fondi, Tumca ara mgonia, daketili binebi iyos. binebi eqspropriaciis dros gamoyvanil adamianebs droebiTi sacxovreblisTvis, meriis programiT 7 da metSvilian ojaxs ki saCuqrad gadaecema, Tumca, erT-erTi kiTxva, romelic damebada, aseTi iyo – arsebobs Tu ara dokumenti, romelic meriis sabinao fondis gamoyenebis wess gansazRvravs? miTxres, rom msgavsi oficialuri dokumenti ar arsebobs. kidev erT dokuments SevqmniT da Sesabamisad sajaros gavxdiT am sakiTxebisadmi midgomas. rac Seexeba usaxlkaroebs, merias aqvs TavSesafari da muSaobs Sesabamisi programa. Aaseve, aris ufaso sasadiloebi, romliTac ara mxolod miusafari adamianebi, aramed dabali socialuri qulis mqonenic sargebloben. `iafi saxlis~ programasac vdebT momavali wlis biujetSi, gavagrZelebT proeqts, romelic skandaluri da SeCerebuli iyo.
– am proeqtis kriteriumebi dRemde araa gansazRvruli…
– diax da kriteriumebsac ganvsazRvravT. rasac ki gavakeTebT, sajaro da gamWvirvale iqneba. Tu ukeTess SemogvTavazeben, imasac aviRebT saxelmZRvanelod.
– 2012 wels etapobrivad daiwyo da Semdeg TviTnebur, Zaladobriv CasaxlebaSi gadaizarda `ocnebis qalaqi~. `qarTuli ocneba~ meored movida xelisuflebaSi, Tumca, es problema ver gadaWra. gadadgamT Tu ara radikalur nabijebs aRniSnuli dasaxlebis gasaTavisufleblad, Tu Tqvenc isev neitralur pozicias amjobinebT?
– `ocnebis qalaqi~ mxolod qalaqis meriis problema araa da mxolod qalaqis ZalebiT misi gadawyveta SeuZlebelia. radikaluri iqneba Tu rbili nabijebi, problema aucileblad unda mogvardes. iq dasaxlebulebi sxvadasxva municipalitetidan arian, Sesabamisad maTi iq dasaxlebis mizezebic sxvadasxvaa. iq mcxovrebma 35 ojaxma ukve isargebla ekomigrantis 25 aTaslariani programiT da sacxovrebelic moiwyo. bevri ki marTlac TviTneburadaa SeWrili. asobiT ojaxis problemis mogvarebas meriis aranairi resursi ar eyofa. amitom arc Tavis da arc sxvis motyuebas vapireb, magram es ar niSnavs imas, rom pasuxismgeblobas gavurbivar. aWaris mTavrobis TavmjdomaresTan erTad vmuSaobT am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT. aris arasamTavrobo seqtoris iniciativebic. adre Tu gvian es problema unda gadaiWras.
– winasaarCevno kampaniis dros, merobis kandidatebi ambobdnen, rom gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi biurokratiul xarjebze uars ityodnen da Tanxebs sxvadasxva socialuri mimarTulebiT gadaanawilebdnen…
– geTanxmebiT, merobis kandidatebi aqcents avtoparkze akeTebdnen, Tumca, rac me vnaxe, erTi avtomobilic ki ar aqvs merias, romelic fufunebisTvis gamodgeba. rodesac ici, rom ver gaimarjveb, dapirebebis gacemac advilia. didi albaTobiT gamarjvebis Sansi rom gaqvs, pasuxismgeblobiT savse xar, Sesabamisad, dapirebebis gacemis drosac frTxilob. amitomac gansxvavdeboda Cemi dapirebebi sxvebisgan. yvela im dapirebas Sevasruleb, rac winasaarCevno periodSi mqonda. amdenad, ararsebul fufunebebze uars rogor vityvi. yvela organizacias Tavisi biurokratiuli xarji aqvs, Tu ar iqna sawvavi, avtomobili, sakancelario, satelefono xarjebi, rogor imuSaon? magram es ar unda iyos auxsneli raodenobis. yoveldRiurad vmuSaob 2018 wlis biujetze da Tu aseT xarjebs wavawydi, Seikveceba.
– media xSirad gamoTqvamda sayvedurs, rom Caketili iyo meria, samsaxuris xelmZRvanelebi gancxadebebs ver akeTebdnen…
– meri iqneba Ria da Sesabamisad meriac. Tu Cems TanamSromlebs am kuTxiT problema eqnebaT, aucileblad davinteresdebi, ra aris amis mizezi, morcxvoba Tu sxva ram. Tu mizezi arakompetenturoba iqneba, Sesabamisi reaqcia gveqneba.
– dabolos, batono laSa, erTi wlis Semdeg intervius Casawerad redaqciaSi rom mogiwvioT, mobrZandebiT?
– ratom ar unda movide? CemTvis siamovneba iyo redaqciaSi stumroba, ar vicodi sad iyaviT, vnaxe, rogor pirobebSi muSaobT, es mSvenieri praqtikaa.

