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75 weli usruldeba. yofilma kolegebma gadavwyviteT, sazogadoebisTvis kidev erTxel Segvexsenebina adamiani, romelic aTwleulebis ganmavlobaSi yoveldRiurad akeTebda gazeT `aWaras~ da, aqedan gamomdinare, Cveni qalaqis da kuTxis cocxal mematianedac SeiZleba movixsenioT
warmoidgineT isic, rom mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi, mTavrobaTa cvlis fonze, icvlebodnen redaqtorebi, magram batoni avTandili ucvlelad gaxldaT redaqtoris modgilis postze da TavauReblad, mudmiv reJimSi emsaxureboda gazeTs, qalaqs, regions. yvelam icoda, rom swored is iyo gazeTis ZiriTadi xelmZRvaneli, radgan misi xelweris da maxvili kalmis gareSe verc erTi werili gamoqveyndeboda. obieqturi, piruTvneli, principuli Jurnalisti arasodes gamohkidebia sensacias, ar dakmayofilebula zedapiruli informaciiT. igi yovelTvis bolomde iZiebda, aanalizebda, ikvlevda da mxolod Semdeg akritikebda ama Tu im maRalCinosans an sulac mTel obieqts. qalaqSi pativs scemdnen mas rogorc pirovnebas da rogorc Jurnalists, icodnen, misi erTaderTi sazrunavi adamiani iyo, realuri Wir-varamiTa da gansacdeliT. igi yvelanairad exmareboda redaqciaSi mosul samarTlis maZiebel moqalaqeebs da araviTar SemTxvevaSi Sua gzaze ar miatovebda arc erT wamowyebul saqmes.
rogorc gazeTis realuri mmarTveli, avTandil diasamiZe meoTxed saukuneze met xans warmarTavda, ayalibebda moralurad gamarTlebul sazogadoebriv azrs. misi nebismieri qmedeba gaTvlili iyo qalaqis, regionis keTildReobaze. saqveyno ganukiTxaobis periodSic ki inarCunebda samoqalaqo patriotizms da yovelTvis idga simarTlis, progresis, axali droebis zeobisaTvis mebrZolTa rigebSi. bunebiT meamboxes da yavlgasuli reJimebis mudmivad mowinaaRmdeges, arasodes SeSinebia marTali sityvis. misi kalami demokratiis, sityvis da azris Tavisuflebis samsaxurSi iyo mudam. saqarTvelos damoukidebloba da patriotizmi – avTandil diasamiZisTvis arasodes qceula liton sityvebad. swored amitom maSin, rodesac yvelaze metad uWirda qveyanasa da regions, Jurnalisti tovebda kabinets da yvelasTan erTad idga mitingebsa Tu Tavyrilobebze. igi erT-erTi pirveli ikavebda usamarTlobis winaaRmdeg mebrZolTa Soris mowinave poziciebs da arasodes ixevda ukan moZaladeTa da tiraniis msaxuri zonder-brigadebis winaSe.
daviwye wera am adamianze da veRar vamTavreb Sesavals. Turme ramdeni damgrovebia, ramdenis Tqma mdomebia da ver miTqvams aqamde. ar SemiZlia ar gavixseno am didi pirovnebis amagi gazeT `aWaris~ Jurnalistebze. nebismieri Cvenganis werili batoni avTandilis uzarmazar magidaze xvdeboda. rodesac erT-erTis kiTxvas daiwyebda, pirvelive Secdomasa Tu azrTa Seusabamobaze dagiZaxebda, gverdiT dagiyenebda da saTanado kiTxvas dagisvamda winadadebis Casasworeblad. meore Secdomaze ukve warbs awevda, Semdeg saTvales Seisworebda da amoixvneSebda… TandaTan uwevda xmas, xolo rodesac mTlianad gadaxazavda werils, am dros unda gemarjva da garidebodi. veravin gabedavda masTan zedapirulad dawerili statiis mitanas, igi yvela sityvas Cahkirkitebda, radgan kargad icoda beWduri mediis Zala… aRar visaubreb im Sexla-Semoxlaze, redaqciis yoveldRiurobaSi Cveulebriv ambad rom aris miCneuli, Tumca isic unda vTqva, rom iSviaTad, magram mainc, Tu moaxerxebdi Tavis gamarTlebas da sapirispiros damtkicebas, bavSviviT gaubrwyindeboda Tvalebi, Rimilad daiRvreboda (arada, rogor uxdeba) da xels CamogarTmevda. merwmuneT, am konkretul momentSi im adamianze bednieri aravin iyo.
simkacris miuxedavad, avTandil diasamiZe yvelas uyvarda, misi udidesi imedi hqonda da usazRvrod afasebda.
Cemi Jurnalistobis periodSi gazeT `aWaris~ yvelaze ukeTesi nomrebi gamoica im 6 Tvis ganmavlobaSi, roca mas avTandil diasamiZe erTpirovnulad redaqtorobda. es iyo abaSiZis reJimis damxobis da saakaSvilis aWaraSi Semosvlis Semdgomi drois mcire monakveTi, rodesac movaswariT SvebiT amosunTqva da politikuri koniunqturis zewolis gareSe muSaoba. amas winaT gadavxede im periodis gazeTebs da Tvali ver movwyvite: yvela werili sainteresoa Tavisi lakonurobiT, Temis simZafriT da daxvewilobiT. vTvli, rom swored batoni avTandilis damsaxureba iyo es….
vwer da Tavi daviWire faqtze, rom yvela sityvas vasworeb, azrs vawyob, vcdilob, ramdenjerme gadavakeTo erTi da igive winadadeba, radgan kargad maqvs warmodgenili batoni avTandilis saxe. ar gegonoT, Zalian awuxebdes, ras da rogor davwer masze, mTavaria – azri iyos gamarTuli, lakonuri da gamarTlebuli… vici, axla eRimeba, Semdeg xmamaRla gaicinebs da Tbilad waidudRunebs, rodis viyavi aseTio. diax, swored aseTi iyaviT da xarT, batono avTandil, radgan sxvagvarad ar ZalgiZT, giyvarT, rodesac yvelaferi daxvewil-dawurulia… isic vici, ar mogwonT aseTi mixveul-moxveuli qaTinaurebi – `bevr wyals asxam, ra degemarTa~-o, albaT msayvedurobT, magram arc me ZalmiZs sxvagvarad Tqvenze wera. vcdilob, gadmovce maqsimaluri da ar gamomrCes Tqveni portretis Sesaqmnelad aucilebeli arc erTi Strixi. magaliTad, is, rom xarT saukeTeso Tanameinaxe, gawonasworebuli da saintereso Tamada, rom gyavT megobarTa didi wre, lamazi, Tbili ojaxi, rom saqarTvelos damsaxurebuli Jurnalisti da erTaderTi Jurnalisti xarT, romelsac sapatio baTumelis wodeba mieniWa, rom… adamianisTvis yvelaze Zvirfasi ram – mxedveloba SeswireT Cvens gazeTs, profesias…
vzivar axla Tqvens pirdapir, giyurebT da vcdilob gavarkvio, ram SegcvalaT ase. uceb mivxvdi – saTvale aRar gikeTiaT, Tqveni mudmivi aqsesuari, radgan… minda movZebno saTanado sityvebi da gadmogceT, rogor mixaria Tqveni naxva, Tumca CemTvisac da TqvenTvisac uCveulo garemo da daZabuli situacia iqmneba, radgan arc erTi velodiT meoris respondentobas. isic vixumre, SegiZliaT kiTxvebic Tavad dasvaT da upasuxoT, me mxolod gavSifrav da davwer-meTqi, magram araferi gamomivida, mivxvdi, rom intervius wesisa da rigis mixedviT warmarTvas elodiT da aranairad ar cdilobdiT, SegemsubuqebinaT CemTvis axalbeda JurnalistisTvis Cveuli mRelvareba, romelic megona, ukve karga xnis win gadavlaxe. pirvelive kiTxva profesiis arCevans Seexo, romelsac pasuxi dauyovnebliv mohyva. TandaTan davmSviddi, Cavdeqi Cveul kalapotSi da interviuc Sedga.
– skolas rom vamTavrebdi, SemiCnda Wia da wera daviwye. swored mas Semdeg gadavwyvite Jurnalistoba. Cemi survili TbilisSi biZas gavande, man pirdapir momaxala: romeli konstantine Sen xar, umjobesia Rvinis teqnologiurze Caabaro `sasofloSi~, fulic geqneba da cxovrebaco. ra Tqma unda, ar davujere. Cavabare Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetSi Jurnalistikis ganyofilebaze 1962 wels. sul aT kacs Rebulobdnen da Zalian didi konkursi iyo. vswavlobdi kargad. wiTel diplomze davamTavre. Semdeg cota xans Tbilisis centralur gazeTebSi vmuSaobdi StatgareSe korespondentad. bolos baTums davubrundi. aqac dakavebuli damxvda Statebi da isev gavagrZele uStatod muSaoba. 1969 wels mimiRes korespondentad. momdevno periodSi, ori wliT, aWaris saolqo komitetSi gadamiyvanes, Tumca `aWaris~ redaqtorma SoTa quriZem momiTxova – damibruneT Cemi kadrio da 1979 wels pirdapir redaqtoris moadgiled damniSnes. mas Semdeg, rogorc ici, am postze viyavi manam, sanam ar wamovedi.
– arasodes ginaniaT, rom biZas ar daujereT? Cven mainc viciT, ras niSnavs iyo Jurnalisti – minimaluri Semosavali da maqsimaluri pasuxismgebloba sazogadoebis winaSe. Tanac, Tqven mxedveloba SeswireT am profesias…
– ara, arasodes minania, radgan es iyo Cemi pirovnuli, Sinagani mowodeba. yovelTvis uzarmazari pasuxismgeblobiT vekidebodi yvela saqmes, redaqciaSi Semosul arc erT signals ar vtovebdi uyuradRebod…
– nuTu arasodes SemouTavazebiaT qrTami? iyo periodi, roca saqarTvelos CinovnikTa didi nawili swored amgvari `aReb-micemobiT~ iwyobda cxovrebas.
– ra Tqma unda, iyo SemoTavazebebi, magram arasodes `wamcdenia xeli~. CemTvis yovelTvis wina planze idga adamianis faqtori, samarTali da qalaqis, regionis keTildReoba. vicodi, ra etapze ra ufro esaWiroeboda Cvens sazogadoebas da yovelTvis mzad viyavi Cemi wili saqme upretenziod, mTeli ZalisxmeviT mekeTebina.
– xom ar gaRizianebdaT meore kacis roli maSin, rodesac iyaviT gazeTis nomer pirveli Jurnalisti?
– ara, me vicodi, rom redaqtorebs niSnavdnen partiuli niSniT da am Tanamdebobaze moxvedrils ufleba erTmeoda yofiliyo miukerZoebeli. CemTvis Cemi koleqtivis, sazogadoebis ganwyoba da damokidebuleba iyo mTavari Rirebuleba. yvelam icoda, rom obieqturi viyavi da arasodes miRalatia Jurnalistis mTavari principebisTvis. Tanamdeboba warmavalia, mTavaria, kacad darCe, miT umetes, iseT profesiaSi, sadac simarTles yovelTvis ramdenime mxare aqvs da arafrad uRirs profesionals misi gamrudeba, Tuki ar gaaCnia morali, rwmena da sindisi.
– ras niSnavs TqvenTvis Jurnalisturi sindisi?
– Jurnalists imaze meti SeuZlia, vidre bevrs warmoudgenia. swored amitom moixsenieben medias meoTxe xelisuflebad. Cven SegviZlia revoluciebis mowyoba, mTavrobebis Secvla, ucnobi pirovnebis varskvlavad qceva. amasTan, SegviZlia sazogadoebis azris marTva da misi sasurvel kondiciamde miyvana. es veragi iaraRia maTTvis, romlebsac ar gaaCniaT moralur-eTikuri normebi. amitomaa saSiSi Cvens profesiaSi uvici, briyvi, ambiciuri adamianebis moyvana, romlebic yvelaferze wavlen zedmeti fulis, honorarisa da ZalauflebisaTvis.
– Tanamedrove Jurnalistika gansxvavdeba Zvelisgan. ra mogwonT da ra ar mogwonT masSi?
– momwons opertiuloba da erTiani pozicia, isic momwons, rom ufro meti Tavisufleba da siTamamea. dRes ukve veravin daCagravs iolad Jurnalists, Tumca aris isic, rac Zalian ar momwons. kerZod, autanelia, zogjer tele Tu radioJurnalistebis metyvelebis kultura. bevrs uWirs qarTulad saubari. cxadia, vgulisxmob gamarTul qarTuls. xandaxan ver uxameben mxolobiTs mravlobiTTan, rac aSkarad metyvelebs enis ucodinarobaze. SeuZlebelia TvalSi ar mogxvdes sruli gaunaTlebloba. ar kiTxuloben albaT wignebs da zedapiruli kiTxvebiT cdiloben SeeWidon sakmaod rTul Temebs. aseve, gaugebaria CemTvis, rogor DSeiZleba, Woris, moaruli xmebis safuZvelze aJiotaJis atexa. gasagebia, yvelaferi komerciuli niSniT keTdeba, magram xom arsebobs raRac zRvari. daabraleb adamians RmerTma uwyis ras da Semdeg im kacma unda izrunos Tavis gamarTlebaze. kargad iciT, rom yvelaferi es akninebs Cvens profesias da sazogadoebac ukve sul sxva rakursiT gviyurebs. isicaa, saTaurSi gamoitan viTom sensaciur ambavs, dainteresebuli mkiTxveli mihyveba teqsts, Tumca, boloSi aRmoaCens, rom iq araferi weria saintereso.
raze miuTiTebs es – Cveni profesiis axalgazrdebis uniaTobaze Tu, saerTod, sazogadoebis modunebaze? miwodeba iseTia, rogoricaa moTxovna. esaa sabazro ekonomikis principebi, magram ar unda isargeblo cru sensaciiT, Tuki Tema ara gaqvs siRrmiseulad Seswavlili da gaanalizebuli.
– Cven gvaswavlidnen, `kritikulis~ werisas, kompromatis 40% unda `CauSva~, xolo 60% daitovoo…
– diax, ase iyo da ase unda gaakeTon axlac. swored am `skandals~ gamokidebuli Jurnalistebis bralia, rom Cvens profesias xSirad paparacobasTan, intrignobasTan, crusityvaobasTan akavSireben, rac guldasawyvetia.
– miuxedavad amisa, dRes meti gavlena aqvT Jurnalistebs rogorc politikaze, ise – sazogadoebaze.
– iciT ra… gavlena yovelTvis gvqonda. gazeTSi dabeWdil statias SeeZlo maSindeli saolqo komitetis mdivnis moxsna, nebismieri maRal Tanamdebobaze myofi Cinovnikis dasja, Tumca amisTvis Zireulad unda Segeswavla sakiTxi, mogeZebna damadasturebeli sabuTebi da ise wargedgina dasabeWdad. cxadia, yvelaferi dros moaqvs da miaqvs. albaT, axla gzajvaredinze dgas Jurnalistika. masSi aiTqvifa Zveli da axali droebis principebi. Aaucilebelia, orive mxridan saukeTesos aReba, miReba da am profesiis im niSnulamde miyvana, rodesac aravin Seitans eWvs Jurnalistis moralsa da miukerZoeblobaSi.
– Tqven baTumis arqiteqturaze werdiT xSirad. ras ityviT dRevandel baTumze, rogorc sapatio baTumeli?
– pirdapir vityvi – daamaxinjes qalaqi. cnobili arqiteqtori karl biuzie, romelmac braziliis axali dedaqalaqi daaproeqta, werda: `zRvispira qalaqis sanapiro zolze araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar SeiZleba mravalsarTuliani Senobebis ageba, es unda moxdes qalaqis siRrmeSi, ufro – mTebisken~. adre asec iyo baTumSi. amitomac arasodes ixuTeboda haeri, ar iyo autaneli nesti da xvati, zRvidan wamosul niavs yovelTvis sasiamovno sigrile Semohqonda baTumelTa myudro binebSi. ra xdeba axla, kargad iciT – CaixuTa qalaqi. amas daemata uzarmazari sacobebi da transportis gamonabolqvi. Tuki droze ar eSvela situacias, ekologiuri katastrofis winaSe aRmovCndebiT.
– 75 weli gisruldebaT sul raRac erT TveSi. am gadasaxedidan ras gvetyviT, kmayofili xarT Tu ara ganvlili gziT?
– ki, kmayofili var ganvlili cxovrebiT. Cems profesiaSi maqsimumi gavakeTe – gavxdi saqarTvelos damsaxurebuli Jurnalisti, viyavi sabWoTa kavSiris JurnalistTa kavSiris wevri. gavxdi sapatio baTumeli. myavs sami – SesaniSnavi, sakuTar profesiebsa da ojaxebSi warmatebuli qaliSvili, oTxi SviliSvili, araCveulebrivi meuRle – TinaTini, romelic axlac mxarSi midgas, siyvaruls da mzrunvelobas ar maklebs… meti ra unda inatros adamianma?
– raze gwydebaT guli?
– araferze… araferze, erTis garda… ori wigni gamoveci. mesamec gamzadebuli maqvs, magram ver vaxerxeb gamocemas dafinansebis gareSe. wignebSi `monatreba~, `dro da Sexvedrebi~ warmodgenilia Cemi literaturul-mxatvruli werilebi, eseebi, publicisturi statiebi, romlebic Cveni mkacri dro-Jamis, mSobeli qveynis SeWirvebuli, duxWiri cxovrebis anareklia. kargad iciT, gadis dro da genatreba yvela da yvelaferi is, vinc da rac cxovrebis gza-savalze Segxvedria. Cemi werilebi, ZiriTadad, gamoCenil, cnobil adamianebTan, saintereso movlenebTan da faqtebTan Sexvedrebis STabeWdilebaTa gamoZaxilia. zogierTi maTgani Tavisuflebisa da damoukideblobis gzaze Semdgari saqarTvelos uaxlesi istoriis politikur kataklizmebs eZRvneba. isic unda vTqva, rom rac gamomiqveynebia, adamianuri urTierTobis uzenaesi grZnobis – siyvarulis karnaxiT damiweria. swored amitom mwydeba guli, rom ver davasrule Cemi wignebis sruli krebuli. vfiqrob, iq Tavmoyrili istoria Cveni kuTxis matianedac gamodgeba da interesmoklebuli ar iqneba aWaris da baTumis sazogadoebisaTvis.
– ra genatrebaT yvelaze metad?
– menatreba kiTxva… sibneleSi vimyofebi… menatreba zRva da Cemi qalaqi, misi xedebi da quCebi. menatreba Cveni gazeTi, Tqven menatrebiT, Cemi koleqtivis TiToeuli wevri da megobrebi, romlebic TiTqmis mTlad Semomecalnen…