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natalia zoiZe partia `qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli
saqarTvelos~ Seqmnis saTaveebTan idga da Tavidanve mxars uWerda
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Semswavleli samecniero-kvleviTi centris~ direqtorobisas gaicno
man Tavidanve daimkvidra aqtiuri, miukerZoebeli, disciplinirebuli da pirdapiri adamianis saxeli. baTumis sinamdvileSi arcTu bevri gvyavs msgavsi TvisebebiT gamorCeuli qalbatoni, romelic ar uSindeba mmarTvel struqturebSi zemo safexurebze asvlas, mamakacebis mxardamxar samsaxurebrivi Tu partiuli sirTuleebis gadalaxvas, problemuri sakiTxebis damoukideblad gadaWras. natalia zoiZem SeZlo avtoritetis mopoveba, ris Semdegac sakrebulos ori mowvevis deputati gaxda da amJamad fraqcia `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelmZRvaneloba Caibara. ras fiqrobs sakrebulos ukve staJiani deputati, ras apirebs da ratom miaCnia mmarTveli partia saqarTvelosTvis erTaderT swori mimarTulebis politikur Zalad, am da sxva sakiTxebze eqskluziur interviuSi gvesaubreba.
– Cveni mosaxleoba imsaxurebs Tavisuflebas, keTildReobas, normalur garemos muSaobisa da dasvenebisaTvis. yvelafer amiT uzrunvelyo Cvenma partiam xalxi da swored amitom mogvca xma amomrCevelTa umravlesobam kidev erT arCevnebSi. kargad iciT, ramdeni partia monawileobda am maraTonSi Cven garda. TiToeuli uxvad afrqvevda dapirebebs, Tanac iseTs, romelic aranairad Seesabameboda realobas. es yvelaferi ukve icis sazogadoebam, gaviareT yalbi lozungebis era. axla yvela erTad vcdilobT Cveni saqarTvelosTvis, Cveni aWarisTvis, baTumisTvis SevqmnaT keTilmowyobili garemo, sadac komfortulad, msuyed icxovreben Cveni Tanaqalaqelebi. ra Tqma unda, yvelaferi xelis erTi dakvriT ar keTdeba. mTavaria, ar SevuSindeT sirTuleebs da viRvawoT qveynisa da erisTvis.
– ese igi, migaCniaT, rom yvela procesi kargad mimdinareobs?
– ar vambob, rom yvelaferi kargadaa. ubralod, imis Tqma minda – xalxma daijera, es is partiaa, romelsac surs dados realuri Sedegi imis miuxedavad, rom Zalian mZime memkvidreoba gvergo. imdeni dabrkoleba gvxvdeba, Secdomebsac ki vuSvebT, magram Cven gvyofnis imis Zala da Segneba, vaRiaroT es da gamovasworoT, sadac saWiroa, bodiSic movixadoT, magram araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar gadavuxvioT im kurss, rasac hqvia xalxis keTildReobaze zrunva. Secdomebsac amitom gvpatiobs mosaxleoba, grZnobs, gulwrfelad rom vinaniebT da specialurad araferi gagvifuWebia.
– erT-erT danaSaulad mavanni mogaweren `nacionaluri moZraobis~ damnaSave liderTa dausjelobas.
– `qarTuli ocneba~ aSenebs samarTlebriv saxelmwifos, Sesabamisad, arsebobs organoebi, romlebic ikvleven kriminalur saqmeebs. arc is dagaviwydeT, rom arsebobs udanaSaulobis prezumfcia. ase rom, damnaSaved gamovacxadoT da daviWiroT adamianebi manam, sanam damtkicdeba maTi danaSauli, ar iqneba marTebuli. Cemi Tanapartielebic aseve Tvlian. ganaCens ver gamovutanT pirovnebebs, Tuki amisTvis ar gveqneba seriozuli mtkicebulebebi. zepiri braldebebiT marTlmsajuleba ver Sedgeba. erT telegadacemaSi aRvniSne, rom erTi udanaSaulo adamianis cixeSi Casmas sjobs 10 damnaSave dadiodes gareT… isic ki iTqva im periodSi, xalxs sanaxaoba undao. mesmis, maSin yvela Zalian gamwarebuli iyo, magram arc es gamxdara zerele Ziebis da moarul xmebze dayrdnobiT xalxis gasamarTlebis safuZveli. `qarTuli ocnebis~ mizania, SevqmnaT demokratiul principebze agebuli samarTlebrivi saxelmwifo, romlis moqalaqeebsac ar SeeSindebaT sakuTari Svilebis momavlis. Cven ver vimoqmedebT wina reJimis warmomadgenelTa msgavsad, romlebic nebismieri moqalaqis janmrTelobas da Tavisuflebas safrTxes uqmnidnen, Tuki es dasWirdeboda mmarTveli gundis romelime wevrs. gaxsovT, albaT, maT mier aJitirebuli saqmeebi, romelTa gaxsna-daxurvas ver audiodnen.
– Tqven axseneT yalbi lozungebi da dapirebebi, arada, swored amas gdeben bralad Tqveni oponentebi. isini saubroben agreTve meriis muSakTa mier darRveul vadebsa da auTvisebel sabiujeto Tanxebze.
– Tavad maT ra aqvT saamayo da satrabaxo? me Tu mkiTxavT, xmac ara aqvT axla amosaRebi, radgan Tavis droze aravis ekiTxebodnen sad daegoT asfalti da sad aeSenebinaT cixe-koSki. didi Tanxebi ise swrafad Cndeboda da qreboda biujetSi, ver gaigebdi, ra mizniT ricxavdnen an vis gahqonda. gawerdnen romelime proeqtze da amiT aqrobdnen kvals. vin gabedavda Seemowmebina, sad midioda fuli. saxelmwifo struqturebi, saxelwifo biujeti da xazina mxolod erTeulebs xmardeboda. 62 milioni gadaixades anbanis koSkSi da kidev araa dasrulebuli. axla gadaveciT kerZo pirs da moviSoreT is xarji, romelic mZime tvirTad awveboda merias. marto Suqis gadasaxadi modioda TveSi 17 aTasi lari.
– is xalxi, maSindel flangvaSi rom sdebT brals, axlacaa SemorCenili mmarTvel struqturebSi…
– Tavis droze, maT aravin ekiTxeboda, ra da rogor ekeTebinaT, isini axla amboben, neta maSin gvqonoda es Tavisufleba da SesaZleblobebi, sul sxvanairad warvmarTavdiT qalaqis ganviTarebis procesebso. im despoturi reJimis xelSi bevri profesionali gaxda marioneti. swored amitom, partiuli niSniT arasodes gamogvirCevia adamianebi. TiToeuli Tavadaa sakuTar Secdomebze pasuxismgebeli, raRa Tqma unda, Tu kriminaluri qmedebebi ar Caudenia. SesaZloa, Cveni es loialoba Cvens sawinaaRmdegodac gamoiyenes, magram minda aRvniSno mTavari, riTac vamayob: ukve meore arCevnebiT movediT qveynis mmarTvel struqturebSi da am xnis ganmavlobaSi ar vqceulvarT despotebad, ar dagvikargavs adamianoba da ar gagvimkacrebia Zalovani struqturebi.
– es yvelaferi gasagebia, magram rac Seexeba auTvisebel sabiujeto saxsrebs da darRveul vadebs?
– rac Seexeba vadebs, xelSekrulebebSi Cven gawerili gvaqvs forsmaJoruli movlenebi, magaliTad, stiqia, rac xSirad mosdevs zamTars. quCebis keTilmowyoba xom pirdapiraa amindze mibmuli. am dros xom ar daaxrCob xalxs, vinc gareT, isedac mZime samuSaoebs eweva, dRe da Rames xom ar gaasworebineb, pirnaTeli rom warsdges damkveTis winaSe? ase xdeboda manamde. gaxsovT, albaT, saakaSvili rom Camoivlida misi amaliT. sxvaTa Soris, maSindel uxarisxo namuSevars axla vasworebT. aRar dgeba wylebi baTumis quCebSi. am problemas xom karga xans ar daadga saSveli. wyalSi iyreboda, am sityvis pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT, xalxis fuli, biujetSi rom SehqondaT gadamxdelebs.
– Tqven TvliT, rom opozicias SecdomaSi Sehyavs mosaxleoba msgavsi gancxadebebiT?
– diax, ra Tqma unda, populistur gancxadebebs akeTeben. axlaxan, sakrebulos sxdomaze iyo msgavsi kamaTi. axla brali dagvdes, rom `WaobSi~ imaze meti quCa mowesrigda, vidre gegmiT iyo gaTvaliswinebuli. ase Tqves, es amomrCevelTa mosasyidad gakeTdao. rogorc xedavT, sakuTar Tavs ewinaaRmdegebian. qoTans iqidan abamen yurs, saidanac undaT. xan amboben, rom biujets ver viTvisebT da saqmes ver vakeTebT, xanac piriqiT – ufro meti quCa keTilmogviwyvia. swored amitom, ar vTvliT Tavis marTlebas saWirod, is, vinc jansaRad azrovnebs, mixvdeba, raSia saqme.
– winasaarCevno periodSi marTlac gaaqtiurda meria. mainc ratom mowesrigda meti quCa swored im periodSi?
– vadaze adre ratom uxdiT kompanias Tanxaso, esec iTqva. am sakiTxSi Caxeduls sasacilod ar eyofa msgavsi gancxadeba. mogexsenebaT, roca formdeba xelSekruleba, masSi gawerilia vadebic da Tanxebic. Tuki vadaze adre daasrula muSaoba da amaSi miiRo kuTvnili gasamrjelo, ratomaa es kanondarRveva? mokled, adre amTavreb samuSaos – cudia, zedmeti gakeTda – cudia, Tanac yvelafer amas amateben salanZRav sityvebs, uniaToebad mogvixsenieben. sadaa logika? rac Seexeba im `zedmet quCebs~, bonis dasaxlebaSi Seferxda moasfalteba, radgan miwisqveSa samuSaoebi ar iyo dasrulebuli. igive kompaniam `WaobSi~ gaagrZela muSaoba da is zedmeti quCa keTilmoawyo.
– ratom Seferxda muSaoba?
– sadac kompleqsuri midgomaa, iq raRac mainc ferxdeba. mTavaria, xarisxianad Sesruldes samuSao vadebis maqsimumSi mainc. yvelaferi mowmdeba da kontroldeba, ar inerviuloT.
– rogorc wina mowvevis sakrebulos wevri, xom ver SeadarebdiT Zvel da axal Semadgenlobas?
– wina sakrebulo politikurad ufro Wreli gaxldaT, cxra subieqtiT iyo warmodgenili. amaSi cuds verafers vxedavdiT, radgan konstruqciuli opozicia gvexmareboda qalaqisTvis sasicocxlo sakiTxebis gadawyvetaSi.
– destruqciul opoziciad vis miiCnevT?
– `nacionalur moZraobas~ – es ar aris is partia, romelic xalxze fiqrobs. mxolod imiT aris dakavebuli, rac SeiZleba meti uaryofiTi daskvna dados. WiqaSi qariSxlis datrialebaSic ostaturad gamoiwvrTnen, Savi piaris agorebaSi piks miaRwies. aTi quCa rom moasfaltdes da meaTis bolo monakveTze mcire xniT muSaoba Seferxdes, iseT ambavs atexen, meored mosvla gegoneba, arada, arafriT miatrialeben kameras gverdiT, rom xalxs daanaxon, ra gakeTda sinamdvileSi.
– `nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebi ki Tvlian, rom maTi mmarTvelobis periodSi gaSenda da damSvenda qalaqi…
– SesaZloa, am saqmis eqsperti ar viyo da arc arqiteqtori, magram gulwrfelad getyviT – ara mgonia, zRvispira qalaqisTvis misaRebi iyo sanapiroze amodena Senobebis Camwkriveba. swored maTma `ganaSenianebam~ Secvala baTumSi klimati da ekologiuri safrTxe Seuqmna baTumelebs. axla yvela alaparakda amaze, maSin ki vinc xma amoiRo, iseT presSi moaqcies, sabolood daukarges laparakis xalisi. arada, miTxariT, im periodSi vis mokiTxes, ratom aaSenes amdeni mravalsarTuliani Senoba. ki, batono, ar vdaob, amas hqonda garkveuli ekonomikuri efeqti, magram eqspertebs Tu daekiTxnen, ramdenad iyo msgavsi mSeneblobebi CvenTvis misaRebi? komunistebs ar uqniaT msgavsi ram, roca mTeli ruseTi aq Camodioda dasasveneblad. ra, gauWirdebodaT Seneba? ubralod, icodnen, rom ar SeiZleboda, radgan geologebis daskvna hqondaT. amaT ki ra gaakeTes? saakaSvili misi ucxoeTSi dausrulebeli turneebis dros, Tuki sadme raimes Tvals mohkravda da moiwonebda, maSinve baTumSi Camoarbeninebda proeqtsac da arqiteqtorsac. adgilic misi miTiTebiT irCeoda. piradad me aseTi STabeWdileba mrCeba am ucnauri formis da daniSnulebis nagebobebs da Zeglebs rom vuyureb. rodesac meria apirebs masiuri mSeneblobebis wamowyebas, xom unda SeuTanxmdes biznes-seqtors, samoqalaqo sazogadoebas, specialistebsa da eqspertebze aRarafers vambob. xom xedavT, rogori mZime memkvidreoba gvergo…
– ra ver gaakeTa wina mowvevis sakrebulom da romeli iyo warmatebuli proeqti?
– ar momwons is, rom dRemde ar arsebobs baTumis ganviTarebis generaluri gegma, dokumenti, riTac ganaSenianebas daiwyebdnen. arsebuli Senobebi da sastumroebi marTlac saWiro iyo, oRond maTi ageba gegmis mixedviT unda momxdariyo.
– rac Tavi maxsovs, sul mag gegmis uqonlobaze laparakoben, viRacam xom unda daiwyos misi Sedgena?
– aravin iRebs Tavze imitom, rom 10 weli sWirdeba am kvlevas, Tan Zviric jdeba. axla dawyebuli gvaqvs aqtivebis aRricxva. daanonsdeba, roca gamoikveTeba tenderSi gamarjvebuli kompania. aseve, guli mwydeba, rom ver aSenda `iafi saxli~ kompaniis arakeTilsindisierebis gamo. saqme isev ZiebaSia… rac Seexeba warmatebul proeqts, es aris `Waobis~ reabilitacia, sadac 10-jer meti teritoriaa mosawesrigebeli, vidre Zvel baTumSi. iq ra akeTes, axlac ver movdivar azrze – verc fexiT gaivli (qali fexsacmlis quslebs itexavs) da verc manqaniT. aseve, 2016 wels davaarseT luka asaTianis saxelobis stipendia. msgavsi ram jer arc erT municipalitets ar gaukeTebia, baTumis brendia. Cven vafinansebT deficituri, qalaqisTvis saWiro profesiebis aTvisebis msurvelT da warmatebul studentebs, xels vuwyobT axalgazrdebs ucxoeTSi staJirebis gavlaSi, adgilobriv da saerTaSoriso saganmanaTleblo-SemecnebiT programebSi monawileobaSi da ase Semdeg. aris bevri programa, romelic gamiznulia axalgazrdebis ganaTleba-dasaqmebisTvis.
– qalaqSi isev da isev umuSevrobaa…
– diax, vici, es Cven yvelaze Zalian gvawuxebs. mimaCnia, rom mcire da saSualo biznesi unda ganviTardes. amisTvis sakmaod did sesxebs gamohyofs saxelmwifo. afinansebs warmatebul proeqtebs, romelic xSirad mxolod qaRaldze rCeba warmatebulad, radgan saqmeSi ver imkvidrebs Tavs. ar vici, ratom xdeba ase, albaT, sakmarisi unar-Cvevebi da codna ara aqvT damwyeb mewarmeebs. mogexsenebaT, Cvens qalaqSi biznes-inkubatori funqcionirebs. iq ukve 50 proeqtia CaSvebuli, Tumca Sedegi ar Cans.
– ra migaCniaT baTumisTvis pirvel rigSi gasakeTebel saqmed?
– upirvelesad, parkirebis adgilebi unda SeirCes, radgan es marTlac didi problema gaxda. axali meri aanonsebs msubuqi konstruqciebis nagebobebis mSeneblobas, sadac 60 kvadratul metrze 50 manqanis ganTavseba SeiZleba. aseve, saswrafod da aucileblad mimaCnia manqanebis teqdaTvaliereba. vici, bevri mZRolisTvis, maTi ojaxebisTvis es didi dartymaa, magram sxva gza ar aris, radgan Cveni momavali Taoba seriozuli ekologiuri safrTxis winaSe aRmoCndeba im momwamvleli gamonabolqviT, ufro da ufro rom matulobs Cvens qalaqSi.