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baTumis axali mowvevis sakrebulo didad ar aris gamorCeuli opoziciuri partiebis warmomadgenelTa simravliT, Tumca is, vinc aris, bevr naklovanebas
xedavs qalaqis mmarTvelobaSi da cdilobs, rogorc Tavad acxadebs, `daicvas sakuTari Tanaqalaqelebis
interesebi~
amjerad warmogidgenT baTumis sakrebuloSi `saqarTvelos patriotTa aliansis~ siis pirvel nomers arCil mamulaZes, romelsac qalaqSi kargad icnoben, rogorc Tojinebis Teatris yofil direqtors, amJamad ki iurists, advokats, arbitrs. batoni arCili marTlac gamoirCeva interesTa farTo speqtriT. man ramdenime profesiaSi gamoscada Tavi, maT Soris, rogorc kulturis da ganaTlebis, ise – medicinis. ukve ramdenime weliwadia politikur sferoSi aqtiurobs.
ra miaCnia arCil mamulaZes baTumelTa mTavar problemad, ras Tvlis misaRebad da ras aprotestebs sakrebulos sxdomebze, amaze `aWarasTan~ Tavad saubrobs.
– batono arCil, daviwyoT sakrebulos yoveldRiurobiT. ukve dasaxeT muSaobis prioritetebi?
– jerjerobiT sakrebulos ramdenime gaerTianebuli sxdoma Catarda. male biujets ganixilaven da vnaxoT, ras dasaxaven prioritetad da ris gadaCoCebas moisurveben momavali wlisTvis.
– Tqven, rogorc vici, maJoritaradac iyridiT kenWs, magram siiT moxvdiT sakrebuloSi. romel olqs warmoadgendiT?
– aeroportis dasaxlebas, romelic moicavs axalsofels, gonios, mejiniswyals, adlias. es aris baTumTan axalSemoerTebuli teritoria, soflis tipis dasaxlebebi.
– albaT, kargad gaecaniT iq arsebul problemebs. ra uWirT `axal~ baTumelebs?
– Zalian cud mdgomareobaSi arian yovelmxriv. araerTxel ganvacxade televiziiT, rom yofil mers erTxelac ar Seuxedavs baTumis axalSemoerTebul teritoriebze. yovel SemTxvevaSi, mas, vinc iqaur problemebs gaecnoba, aseTi STabeWdileba darCeba. piradad me bevrjer Sevxvdi iqaur mosaxleobas, vesaubre. aRmoCnda, rom absoluturad moSlilia wylis da kanalizaciis sistemebi. wvimebis Sedegad itboreba quCebi, ezoebi. moWarbebul naleqs ver atarebs iq arsebuli arxebi. teleJurnalistebTan erTad gavaSuqeT viTareba, magram araviTari pozitiuri Sedegi amas ar mohyolia.
– rogorc vici, isic iTqva, rom ar gaamarTla `SemoerTebam~ da apireben isev Zvel administraciul sazRvrebSi daabrunon is teritoriebi. Tqven ras fiqrobT am Temaze?
– principSi, am SemoerTebas, Tavad mosaxleobisTvis kargi araferi moutania, piriqiT, dazianda isedac uvargisi infrastruqtura mouvlelobiT. am sakiTxze msjeloba jer ar yofila, magram Tu gaimarTeba, mosaxleobis pozicias davuWer mxars. xalxis sakeTildReod unda moxdes yvelaferi.
– simarTle giTxraT, ver gavige, riT miadga am xalxs ziani – imiT, rom dasaxlebebi baTums SeuerTes?
– Tqven warmoidgineT, swored amiT. me vici, rom aqaur mosaxleobas gacilebiT ukeTesi sacxovrebeli pirobebi hqonda, radgan adgilobrivi raionuli xelmZRvaneloba yuradRebas aqcevda wyalkanalizaciis sistemis funqcionirebas. am SemoerTebis mere ki aRarc erTi mxare ar uyurebs. erTs – saamisod ar scxela, sxva ubnebis gakeTeba da qulebis dawera eCqareba, meores ki ar ekuTvnis da ratom gaisarjos. Tanac arc aqvs gawerili saamiso xarjebi. savalalo mdgomareoba Seiqmna kaxabris saqorwilo saxlis mimdebare teritoriaze, romelic kanalizaciis milebis dazianebis gamo fekaluri masebiT itboreba. winasaarCevnod miitanes milebi, magram imdenad viwro diametris, mosaxleoba siciliT kvdeboda da anekdotebic ki SeTxza saxeldaxelod. es iyo moCvenebiTi RonisZieba, `qarTuli ocnebis~ mier mowyobili. xalxs daanaxes, TiTqos raRac keTdeba. igive kaxabers rom mivubrundeT, ver warmoidgenT, ra dReSi arian. Cemi TvaliT vnaxe wvimis dros rogor gamohyavdaT mSoblebs bavSvebi zurgiT fanjrebidan, raTa skolaSi waeyvanaT. ezoSi gamovla SeuZlebeli iyo patarebisTvis. 21-e saukunea, xalxo, rogor SeiZleba msgavsi viTareba iyos civilizebul samyaroSi!
– TvliT, rom grZeldeba igive `fasaduri~ politika, rogoric iyo saakaSvilis dros? SesaZloa SeeSalaT milebis diametric, vis ar SeSlia…
– diax, igive politikas awarmoeben farsis TvalsazrisiT. aseTive scena gaiTamaSes SarSan winasaarCevnod milebTan dakavSirebiT. rac Seexeba SeSlas, gamoesworebinaT, mere, vin dauSala. Cemi Tu ar gjeraT, SegiZliaT Tavad gadaamowmoT, kaxabris dasaxlebaSi meore Sesaxvevia, dResac iq yria is milebi, arc aulagebiaT. Tu im mizniT ar gaitanes, rom unda gaakeTon, ratom ar mixedes? damTavrda arCevnebi da… damTavrda saqme.
– Tavad rogor TvliT, ratom ar akeTeben, araprofesionalebi arian, fuli ar hyofniT Tu kadrebi?
– iciT ra, meriis yvela samsaxuri araTu dakompleqtebuli, zedmeti StatebiTac kia gaberili. gaaCniaT fulic da teqnikac. rac xdeba, es aris uTavoba, araprofesionalizmi da gulgrili damokidebuleba samsaxurebrivi movaleobisadmi, rac, cxadia, mavneblobaSi gadaizrdeba Tu droze ar mixedes.
– TvliT, rom amJamindeli xelisufleba arafers akeTebs?
– me ver vityvi, rom ar akeTebs, keTdeba bevri ram, ubralod, drois Sualeds ver icaven. xom ar SeiZleba erTi da igive akeTo wlebis ganmavlobaSi? daTqvi vada: 6, 10, 12 Tve… `Waobis~ dasaxlebis mowesrigeba daiwyes SarSan arCevnebamde da dRemde ar aris dasrulebuli.
– Tavad amboben, rom xarisxianad da kompleqsurad vakeTebT, ramdenjerme quCis gadaTxra rom ar mogviwioso.
– mereda, im xarisxiansac xom SeiZleba hqondes gawerili vadebi. Tuki Cven vemsaxurebiT mosaxleobas da misTvis vzrunavT, warmovidginoT, ra dReSia is xalxi zafxulis xvatSi – gadaTxril quCebSi da zamTarSi – talaxsa da TovlSi. xom unda daasrulon es saqme erTxel da samudamod?
– Tqven ras TvliT `ocnebis~ warmatebad misi mmarTvelobis periodSi?
– amas getyviT Cemi profesiidan gamomdinare: mogexsenebaT, 30-ze meti weliwadi vmsaxurobdi kulturis da ganaTlebis sferoSi, magram ukve 14 weliwadia var praqtikosi advokati da arbitri. amasTan dakavSirebiT minda aRvniSno, rom `ocnebis~ mmarTvelobis wlebSi bevri ram Seicvala ukeTesobisken sasamarTlo xelisuflebaSi. es unda vaRiaroT. me ar SemiZlia cudze ar vTqva cudi, kargze – kargi. rodis iyo aqamde, rom mosamarTles Tavisuflad gamohqonda kanonTan SesabamisobaSi moyvanili gadawyvetileba? precedentic ar yofila, rom adamiani sasamarTlos darbazidan gaeTavisuflebinaT an samarTlebrivi formiT zustad ise ganxorcielebuliyo sazogadoebrivi procedurebi, rogorc amas kanoni moiTxovs.
– adre iyo amaze msjeloba, bolos da bolos, erTnairi uflebebiT sargeblobs advokatura da prokuratura?
– diax, miiRes ukve kanoni. Cven gvaxsovs, mosamarTlesTan prokurori yovelgvari dabrkolebis gareSe Sedioda, advokati gamoZaxebas eloda. axla Cvenc Tavisuflad SevdivarT mosamarTlesTan. erTnairi pirobebiT sargeblobs orive mxare da mosamarTlec erTnairad aZlevs rogorc sityvas, ise SeniSvnas orives. aRar igrZnoba misgan SiSi – am sityvebs namdvilad xazs vusvam. samarTlebrivi formac daculia mosamarTlis mier. yovelive es rom ar aRvniSno, ar viqnebi marTali.
– rac Seexeba sapatimroebs, rogori viTarebaa iq?
– iqac Seicvala viTareba, mkveTrad gaumjobesda patimarTa pirobebi. adre, 6-kacian sakanSi 25 kacic gvinaxavs, axla xSirad eqvsic araa. Seicvala patimrebis mimarT mopyrobis formac, ufro Tavaziani da kulturuli gaxda, dalagda paemnis saaTebic… minda visargeblo SemTxveviT da gansakuTrebuli madloba gadavuxado sasjelaRsrulebis da probaciis ministrs kaxa kaxiSvils. gulwrfelad vambob amas. SesaZloa xelisuflebis sxva warmomadgenlebTan pretenziebi mqondes, magram am adamianTan – ara. moawesriga da samarTlebriv formaSi moaqcia mTeli sasjelaRsrulebis sistema. bevri ramaa misi piradi damsaxureba…
– xelisuflebis romel `sxva warmomadgenelTan~ gaqvT pretenziebi?
– ukve vTqvi da, Tu gnebavT, gavimeoreb – baTumis infrastruqturis mowesrigebis kuTxiT, qalaqis yofil mers araferi, TiTqmis araferi gaukeTebia.
– egreT wodebuli `socialuri saxlis~ proeqtic Cavarda…
– `socialuri saxli~, rogorc eseni uwodeben, sul sxva Temaa da sxvagvari midgoma sWirdeba. is, rac Cavarda, aranair kavSirSi ar iyo socialurad SeWirvebul mosaxleobasTan. msgavsi statusis saxli ar unda gadaecemodes kerZo sakuTrebaSi. misi gamoyenebis nebarTva mobinadres droebiT unda mieces, sanam ar gaiumjobesebs materialur mdgomareobas. binis memkvidreobiT gadacema ar SeiZleba. gaxsovT, albaT, komunistebis dros binebs orderiT rom gadascemdnen moqalaqeebs, romelic ar rCeboda kerZo sakuTrebaSi. `benzeSi~ iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTaTvis rom aSenda korpusebi, rogorc ki gadaecaT kerZo mflobelobaSi, maSinve gayides, arc erTi darCenila iq sacxovreblad, sul sxva xalxia Sesaxlebuli. unda aSendes saxlebi, gadaeces maT, visac uWirs, magram binebi unda darCes qalaqis mflobelobaSi. asea yvela civilizebul qveyanaSi.
– ra migaCniaT qalaqisTvis yvelaze problemur sakiTxad?
– axals arafers vityvi, isev Zvels vaxseneb, radgan erTi da igive sakiTxi trialebs ukve ramdeni xania, romelzedac realuradaa damokidebuli Cveni Tanaqalaqelebis cxovreba. igive ipoTekarebi, `muyaos qalaqi~ Tu gonios miwebi… daviwyoT `ocnebis qalaqiT~. ras ar uwodeben mas, magram amiT problema ar icvleba. es qalaqi xom erT RameSi ar warmoqmnila? rom daiwyo Casaxlebebi, Tavidanve xom icodnen, arakanonieri qmedeba rom iyo. ratom ar aRkveTes droze, rom ar gaRrmavebuliyo da ar garTulebuliyo viTareba? imitom, rom sWirdebodaT raRacisTvis, ufro sworad – arCevnebis mosagebad. misces saSualeba da Caasaxles. axla, raxan Seni moqalaqe am gausaZlis, araadamianur pirobebSi moaqcie, qveynis konstituciiT movale xar, epatrono da erTxel da samudamod mouwesrigo mdgomareoba. visac aqvs sacxovrebeli farTi – gauSvi im misamarTze, romelzec daregistrirebulia, xolo vinc saerTod usaxlkaroa – isini daasaxle. gvinda Cven Tu ara, vdgavarT am problemis winaSe da unda gadavWraT. evropisken rom miveqanebiT, jer aq mivxedoT sakuTar moqalaqeebs, aranormalur pirobebSi rom uxdebaT cxovreba patara bavSvebTan da moxucebTan erTad. aaSenon saxli, nu daarqmeven nurafers da aRricxvaze myofi msgavsi problemis moqalaqeebi Seasaxlon. an `niWierSi~ gamarjvebulebs da `mocekvave varskvlavebs~ rom uyofen binebs, igive proeqtebidan gamohyon.
– rac Seexeba ipoTekarebs, ukve iklo am Temaze saubrebma
– iklo saubrebma, magram problema izrdeba da bankebis mier quCaSi gamosaxlebuli xalxis raodenoba mkveTrad matulobs.. kerZo sakuTrebaSi samarTlebrivi sakiTxebi sxvagvarad wydeba, rasac saxelmwifo hpirdeba am xalxs, es aris blefi. rogor unda daubruno vali? amis samarTlebrivi forma ar arsebobs. erTaderTi gamosavalia, xelisuflebam awarmoos molaparakeba bankebTan da gasces grZelvadiani dabalprocentiani sesxi. msgavs sesxebs iZleva TurqeTis saxelmwifo Tavisi moqalaqeebisTvis da Cven ratom ver unda movaxerxoT? iyo raRac mcdelobebi mTavrobisgan, magram, rogorc xedavT, araferi gamovida, problema problemad darCa.
– gonios miwebis ambavi isev isea?
– diax, sami instanciis sasamarTlo gaiares da ras warmoadgens sakrebulo, rom gadawyvetileba Secvalos da daibrunos gacemuli miwebi, romelic ukve kerZo sakuTrebaa? ar arsebobs aseTi forma. saerTod ki Sesacvlelia kanoni miwis mflobelobasTan mimarTebaSi. samjer Seicvala ukve es kanoni da kidev ufro daabnia yvela. nebismier kanons Rebuloben xalxis cxovrebis gasamartiveblad da gasaumjobeseblad, CvenTan ki piriqiTaa.
– apirebT Tu ara umravlesobasTan TanamSromlobas?
– moviqcevi ise, rogorc amas situacia da sindisi mikarnaxebs. cxadia, arafers gavakeTeb Cemi baTumelebis interesebis sawinaaRmdegod, magram kuluarebidan Sevityve, rom biujetSi ar iqneba gaTvaliswinebuli baTumis axalSemoerTebuli teritoriebi. Tu es marTlac asea, Zalian cudia. me im xalxs ver vuRalateb da biujetis damtkicebisas kenWisyraSi monawileoba gamiWirdeba.
