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aWaris profkavSirebis da umaRlesi sabWos fraqciis `qarTuli
ocneba – maJoritarebi~
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preskonferenciaze
SegaxsenebT, rom opoziciam mas brali dasdo or sajaro samsaxurSi xelfasis miRebis gamo, ris Semdegac man uari ganacxada profkavSirebSi anazRaurebaze, Tumca posti ar dautovebia. ras fiqrobs am Temaze maJoritari deputati, ras Tvlis wlis ganmavlobaSi gundis Tu sakuTar miRwevad, ilia verZaZe swored amaze gvesaubreba.
– batono ilia, Tqven, romelic sxvis SromiT uflebebs icavT, Tavad darCiT daucveli, ramdenadac kvlavac ar iRebT kuTvnil anazRaurebas.
– sanam konkretulad, dokumentaciiT ar dadasturdeba, rom SemiZlia SeTavsebiT profkavSirebis xelmZRvanelobac, sanam ar gairkveva, rogor moviqce am konkretul viTarebaSi, anazRaurebas ar aviReb (arada, Sromis kodeqsSi garkveviT weria: Tu Sromob da Sroma nebadarTulia, xelfasi unda aiRo). ukeT rom gagarkvioT, gangimartavT, rom ori anazRaurebis aReba ar SeiZleba or sajaro samsaxurSi, magram sadac weria `nebadarTulebi~, iq ar izRudeba sazogadoebriv da politikur gaerTianebebSi muSaoba. ubralod, ar aris miTiTebuli xelfasis aReba, romelic ukve Sromis kodeqsisgan gamomdinareobs. asea – TavSi kiTxuloben, magram SemdegiT aRar interesdebian. cxadia, rodesac yvelaferi gairkveva da dasabuTdeba, situaciac dalagdeba. manamde ki es gadawyvetileba miviRe.
– ratom gadawyviteT preskonferenciis mowveva?
– ukve wlis boloa, amasTan, erTi weli gavida, rac amomrCevelma mogvca xma, Cagvabara ndobis mandati da gavxdiT sakanonmdeblo organos wevrebi. me, rogorc baTumis erT-erTi ubnis maJoritari, valdebuli var, amomrCevels angariSi Cavabaro. amasTan dakavSirebiT preskonferenciis garda eleqtronuladac gamovaqveyneb angariSs, raTa TiToeuli Cemi nabiji gamWvirvale iyos orive postze.
– Tqven mier gakeTebuli saqmeebidan ra migaCniaT yvelaze warmatebulad da mniSvnelovnad ?
– nebismieri saqme saWiroa. ar arsebobs wvrilmani da msxvilmani sakiTxi, roca es exeba mosaxleobis yofierebas. Tuki awuxebs amomrCevels, ese igi, Cvenc unda SevwuxdeT, keTili vineboT da gavakeToT. cxadia, aqac SeiZleba rigiTobis dacva da gamoyofa, magram Sevecdebi visaubro imaze, rac yvelaze aqtualuria dReisaTvis.
– Tqven xom mxolod sakanonmdeblo saqmianobas eweviT?
– ara, miuxedavad imisa, rom swored esaa Cveni ZiriTadi saqme. mogexsenebaT, iseT Rarib qveyanaSi, rogoric saqarTveloa, romelsac uamravi problema aqvs da didi Zalisxmeva sWirdeba situaciis gamosasworeblad, kabinetebSi jdomis dro ar aris. amitomac ar SemovifarglebiT mxolod sakanonmdeblo saqmianobiT. vecnobiT mosaxleobis problemebs, varkvevT sxvadasxva sakiTxs siRrmiseulad, detalurad da Semdeg vcdilobT, praqtikulad davexmaroT TiToeuls.
– maSin, jer sakononmdeblo saqmianobaze visaubroT.
– ki, batono. marTlac Zalian nayofieri weli gvqonda sakanonmdeblo saqmianobis kuTxiT. miviReT imaze meti kanoni da kanonproeqti, davamtkiceT sxvadasxva normebi, vidre Cvenma winamorbedebma sruli ciklis ganmavlobaSi. ramdenime iniciativa mqonda piradad me da TavisTavad, iyo Cveni fraqciidanac. maT Sorisaa kanonproeqti `aWaris avtonomiur respublikaSi socialuri daxmarebis damatebiTi dafinansebis Sesaxeb~, romelic axla damuSavebis procesSia da iTvaliswinebs socialur daxmarebebs SSm pirTaTvis, martoxela dedebisa da oblebisaTvis. jer kidev muSaobis procesSi varT. uamravi statistikuri monacemia Sesaswavli. gvinda universaluri forma mivceT am kanons (jer isic ar viciT, proeqti iqneba Tu kanoni), raTa saxelmwifos SesaZleblobebis zrdasTan erTad, kanonma SeZlos benefitebis da kategoriebis damateba. aseve, Cemi inicirebiT miviReT dadgenileba `aWaris umaRlesi sabWos maJoritari wevris amomrCevlebTan urTierTobis gaumjobesebis RonisZiebaTa Sesaxeb~. mniSvnelovnad mimaCnia isic, rom Cven socialuri partniorobis Seqmnas CavuyareT safuZveli, rac Cemi orive samsaxuris TanakveTas iTvaliswinebs, anu moxdeba xelisuflebis, dasaqmebulebis da damsaqmeblebis Zalisxmevis gaerTianeba SromiTi bazris gaumjobesebisTvis. jer kidev zafxulSi, sastumro `SeratonSi~ socialuri partniorobis sammxrivi sxdoma Catarda da SeTanxmebas moewera xeli, rac iTvaliswinebs dasaqmebulebis SromiTi pirobebis gaumjobesebas, sawarmos mflobelebTan urTierTobis kanonier doneze Camoyalibebas da TiToeulis SromiTi uflebebis realizebas.
– dasaqmebulebi kidev raRaciT Svelian Tavs, rac Seexeba dausaqmeblebs, ras akeTebT maTi ricxvis Sesamcireblad?
– rac Seexeba dasaqmebas, aWaris mTavroba amisTvis namdvilad realur proeqtebs axorcielebs. marto is rad Rirs, rom iwyeba uzarmazari masStabebis mSeneblobebi. igive stadioni, ori sportuli skola, estakada… aq, rogorc moklevadiani, ise grZelvadiani samsaxurebi iqneba. mogexsenebaT, radeni muSaki sWirdeba jer stadionis aSenebas, Semdeg ki mis funqcionirebas, miT umetes, rom stadionis infrastruqtura damatebiTi uwyebebis gaxsnis saSualebas miscems kerZo biznesiT dakavebulebs. iqve iqneba sxvadasxva saxis seqcia, romelSic TavisTavad dasaqmdeba Cveni mosaxleoba. simarTle giTxraT, Zalian moxaruli da amayi var, rom am procesebis Tanamonawile gavxdi.
– principSi, es, zogadad, Tqveni gundis warmatebebia, piradad ras akeTebT Tqveni amomrCevlebisTvis?
– aqtiurad vSromob Cems warmomadgenlobaSi, romelic javaxiSvilis quCis #70-Sia. iq xSirad modian Cveni amomrCevlebi sxvadasxva problemis mogvarebis TxovniT. Cvenc SeZlebisdagvarad vcdilobT, SeviswavloT es sakiTxebi da daxmareba aRmovuCinoT maT.
– swrafad reagirebT amomrCevelTa Txovnaze Tu biurokratiaSi ixlarTebiT?
– aris iseTi Temebi, rodesac efeqturia rCeva da mokle droSi vaxerxebT daxmarebas, magram aris SemTxvevebi, roca Wianurdeba konkretuli sakiTxis mogvareba da mosaxleobisTvis misi sasargeblod gadawyveta. vfiqrob, am situaciaSic, mTavaria, gulwrfelebi viyoT da vakeToT is, rac gvevaleba.
– ki, esec aris, magram is, vinc mogmarTavT konkretul problemaze, misi mogvareba eCqareba. mainc, ra Temebia dRis wesrigSi?
– aris socialuri sakiTxebi, sabinao problemebi, uamindobiT dazianebuli saxlebi. xdeba isec, rom ver agneben adresats da vexmarebiT dakvalianebaSi. aris janmrTelobis problemebTan dakavSirebuli sakiTxebi, aseve, ufaso sasadiloebis talonebs gvTxoven.
– aq ra problema eqmnebaT?
– qulebis sistema rom Seicvala, zogierTi beneficiari amovarda siidan. sasadiloebi sxvadasxva raionSia ganlagebuli. Cvenc mivdivarT xelmZRvanelobasTan, varkvevT, ris gakeTeba SeiZleba, gulTan axlos migvaqvs es sakiTxi.
– simarTle giTxraT, gaocebuli davrCi: adamians, romelic ufasod sadilobas iTxovs, Sia, raRa qula da taloni unda. sanam gaarkvevT, xom mokvda mSieri? warmoidgineT ra doneze uWirs, Tqven rom mogadgaT.
– simarTle giTxraT, mag kuTxiT ar gvifiqria, magram meorecaa, xom ver ityvis im sasadilos mepatrone, Sioda da vaWameo. maTac SezRuduli aqvT miReba, yovel SemTxvevaSi, Cven ase gvpasuxoben… marTlac, jer kidev bevri ramaa dasaxvewi, imitomacaa amdeni kritika. sxvaTa Soris, aris proeqtebi am kuTxiT municipalitetSic da arasamTavroboebSic, Tumca radgan adamiani saWmels gTxovs da amisTvis Senamde modis, ese igi marTlac mwvaved dgas sakiTxi… bevri modis swavlis safasuris gadaxdis gadavadebis TxovniTac. Cvenc mivdivarT universitetebis kanclerebTan, vuwevT Suamdgomlobas, rac SegviZlia, vexmarebiT. davdivarT ezoebSi, vecnobiT xalxis yofa-cxovrebas, vTavazobT konkretul daxmarebas da adgilze vismenT, vis ra uWirs.
– rac Seexeba profkavSirebs…
– arc aq varT gaCerebuli. CavatareT ramdenime trening-seminari, romlis meSveobiTac adamianebs vexmarebiT, gaerkvnen sakuTari Sromis uflebebSi. rogorc ukve vaxsene, is sammxrivi xelSekruleba swored Cveni profkavSirebis damsaxurebaa SromiTi bazris ganviTarebis gzaze. aqve minda vaxseno ramdenime sasamarTlo procesi. nawili dasrulda, nawili – mimdinareobs.
– sul ramdeni pirveladi organizaciaa Tqvens gaerTianebaSi?
– 74 profkavSiruli organizacia. 6189 profkavSiris wevri gvyavs. dasaqmebulTa raodenoba 9050 adamians Seadgens, rac aWaraSi dasaqmebulTa 10%-ia.
– ZiriTadad ra dargebi Semodis TqvenTan?
– saqarTvelos profesiuli kavSirebis aWaris respublikuri gaerTianeba TiTqmis yvela dargs moicavs. CvenTan funqcionirebs Sromis, janmrTelobisa da socialuri dacvis muSakTa aWaris respublikuri sabWo; saqarTvelos momsaxurebis sferos adgilobrivi da komunaluri meurneobis muSakTa profkavSiris aWaris respublikuri komiteti; sajaro mosamsaxureTa aWaris organizacia; xelovnebis muSakTa, saqarTvelos TviTdasaqmebulTa, vaWrobisa da individualuri warmoebis sferoSi momuSaveTa, soflis meurneobis, msubuqi, kvebisa da gadamamuSavebeli mrewvelobis muSakTa sabWoebi; saavtomobilo transportisa da gzebis muSakTa baTumis da aWaris regionaluri profcentri; aWaris arqiteqturis, mSeneblobisa da saSen masalaTa mrewvelobis muSakTa pofkavSirebis gaerTianebuli komiteti.
– ra saxis muSaobas eweviT profkavSirebSi? rogorc vici, saerTod Seicvala misi funqciebi…
– Seicvala ki ara, daubrunda imas, risTvisac funqcionirebs msoflioSi. adre profkavSirebi sabWoTa saxelmwifo manqanis danamats warmoadgenda da dakavebuli iyo mosaxleobis socialuri sakiTxebis gadawyvetiT. arigebdnen binebs, macivrebs, avtomobilebs, sagzurebs. aravin dagidevdaT, vis da ratom aTavisuflebdnen samsaxuridan da verc ereodnen partkomebis gadawyvetilebaSi. axla Cvenma organizaciam miiRo is datvirTva, risTvisac Camoyalibda Tavis droze, Cven vicavT mSromelTa uflebebs da Zalian kargad iciT, Tu ra doneze irRveva es uflebebi… isicaa, bevrma arc ki uwyis, ra weria SromiT kodeqsSi da risi moTxovnis ufleba aqvs.
– Zalian bevria aseTi, magram isic, vinc icis, rom usamarTlobis msxverplia, xmas ver iRebs samsaxuris dakargvis da mTlad umuSevrad darCenis SiSiT. Tqven ra saxis daxmarebis gaweva SegiZliaT msgavs viTarebaSi?
– msgavs situaciaSi verafers vizamT, radgan Tavad muSakebma unda mogvmarTon gancxadebiT. maT gareSe ver CavereviT kerZo biznessa an Tundac, sajaro samsaxurSi.
– vinc mogmarTavT, imaT Tu exmarebiT?
– ki, rogor ara, bevri sasamarTlo procesi movigeT. sxvaTa Soris, 2017-Si pirveli instanciiT 6 sasamarTlo procesi dasrulda mosarCleebis sasargeblod, 2 procesi – saapelacio wesiT, xolo erTi – morigebiT. minda vaxseno `sinohidroSi~ (Cinuri kompania, avtobans agebs) 4 ukanonod gaTavisuflebuli adamiani. sasamarTlom damsaqmeblebs gadaaxdevina maTTvis sakmaod didi Tanxa nacduris saxiT. Sps `saqarTvelos fostaSi~ – aRvadgineT samsaxurSi ramdenime adamiani. igive procesebi iyo ss `gudvilSi~, `ialCin marketSi~, `baTumis navTobterminalSi~, Sps `maqoSi~, a(a)ip `satransporto infrastruqturis marTvis saagentoSi~ da sxvebSi. 2016-2017 wlebSi konsultacia da iuridiuli daxmareba gavuwieT 67 moqalaqes… aseve, zafxulobiT xelmisawvdom fasad vasvenebT dedebs bavSvebTan erTad beSumis `dedaTa da bavSvTa centrSi~. simarTle giTxraT, axla ufro meti datvirTva gauCnda profkavSirebs, vidre aqamde hqonda. mjera, droTa ganmavlobaSi, rodesac Cveni moqalaqeebi darwmundebian, rom Sromis kodeqsi, sasamarTlo da profkavSirebi ar aris litoni sityvebi, dagveyrdnobian, miT umetes, rom samarTalis zeimi ukve daiwyo saqarTveloSi, garwmunebT, TandaTan kidev ufro dafasdeba Cveni organizaciis wevrTa Sroma da met datvirTvas SeiZens dasaqmebulTa Soris, radgan ukve SevdgiT fexi samarTlebrivi saxelmwifos mSeneblobis procesSi.
– saaxalwlo survilebi…
– 4 ianvars saaxalwlo naZvis xis zeimze vepatiJebiT Cvens patarebs. iciT, rom am RonisZiebas yovelTvis vmarTavT. minda janmrTeloba, sixaruli, bedniereba vusurvo qarTvel ers da saqarTvelos, mravalJamier!
