,,თუნდაც გისოსებს მიღმა იყო სულ მარტო, ან სადმე უკაცრიელ კუნძულზე, შენს ფიქრში მუდამ არის – ადამიანი”
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bavSvobidan dRemde Zalian saintereso cxovrebis gza ganvlo, araerT warmatebas miaRwia, araerTi sirTule gamoiara, Tumca Tvlis, rom TiToeuli dRe da nabiji mis cxovrebaSi aris gamocda, romelsac Rirseulad umklavdeba. amaSi ki is Tvisebebi exmareba, rac upirvelesia misTvis, samarTali da samarTlianoba. cotne ananiZe aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis umaRlesi sabWos deputatia `qarTuli ocnebidan~, aseve xelmZRvanelobs sakanonmdeblo organos adamianis uflebaTa dacvis sakiTxTa komisias, Tumca amjerad SevecadeT naklebad gvesaubra masTan politikaze da sul sxva rakursiT gveCvenebina is TqvenTvis.
– bavSvoba…
– rogorc amboben, Zalian mSvidi bavSvi viyavi, bejiTi, Tumca, iqidan gamomdinare, rom ufro humanitari viyavi, teqnikur sagnebs valdebulebis mizniT vswavlobdi. Cemi pirveli maswavlebeli dedaCemi iyo, Sesabamisad, rogorc maswavleblis Svili, Tavs valdebulad vTvlidi, yvela sagani erTnairad kargad momemzadebina. bavSvobidan gamomyva avtomobilebis siyvaruli. rogorc dedaCemi ambobs, Cemi pirveli sityvac swored avtomobili iyo, ra Tqma unda, bavSvuri interpretaciiT warmoTqmuli. didobaSi xSirad mifiqria bavSvobisdroindel gatacebaze, Zalian minda saqarTveloSic `daibados~ avtomobilis iseTi brendebi, rogoric magaliTad, germaniaSi, amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi, iaponiaSi. mimaCnia, rom bavSvis CamoyalibebaSi udidesi mniSvneloba aqvs ojaxs, garemos, am TvalsazrisiT Zalian gamimarTla.
bavSvobaSi megona, rom adamianebi ar berdebodnen, ukvdavebi iyvnen, mere mivxvdi, es ase ar aris, Tumca axla isev vfiqrob, rom adamianebi ukvdavebi arian, oRond TavianTi gakeTebuli saqmeebiT. raRac axsna am ukvdavebas mainc movuZebne da davrCi im azrze, razec bavSvobaSi viyavi.
– ramdenad Tavisufali iyaviT profesiis arCevis dros?
– roca saSualo skolas vamTavrebdi, msurda politologiaze Camebarebina, magram gadawyvetili mqonda, aucileblad universitetSi baTumSi meswavla. aRmoCnda, rom, rogorc specialoba, universitetSi ar iswavleboda. sakmao fiqris Semdeg, cotaTi monaTesave specialoba avirCie -samarTalmcodneoba sisxlis samarTlis mimarTulebiT.
– sazogadoebam rogorc aqtiuri studenti, ise gagicnoT, aseve axsovT Tqveni xmamaRali gancxadebebi, protesti, ris gamoc mogvianebiT cixeSi aRmoCndiT…
– Cemi poltikuri aqtivobebis motivi gaxda iurisprudencia da marTlmsajuleba. 2007 wlidan daviwye Ria da xmamaRali gancxadebebis keTeba, Cveni qalaqis axalgazrdobaSi Tanamoazreebis Zebna. amis mizezi usamarTloba iyo, romelic, pirvel rigSi, sasamarTlo sistemaSi iyo gamefebuli. studentebi sasamarTlo procesebze daswrebisas, vxedavdiT, rom aRar arsebobda saxelmwifoSi sasamarTlo. arada, Cven vswavlobdiT, rom saxelmwifosTvis yvelaze mTavari damoukidebeli sasamarTloa, Tu is ar aris gamarTuli, maSin yvelafers fasi ekargeba. es aris iseTive mniSvnelovani, rogorc adamianisTvis janmrTeloba. usamarTlobis gancda iyo Cemi da Cemi megobrebis mTavari protesti. fiqrob, maSin am yvelaferze xma yvelaze mkafiod da kulturulad baTumelma axalgazrdebma aimaRles. 7 noemberi, telekompania `imedis~, Cvens regionSi TV-25-is, mere baTumis saxelmwifo universitetis darbeva – es movlenebi ar maZlevda saSualebas gavCerebuliyavi da Sevguebodi am usamarTlobas, Sesabamisad, avtomaturad CaverTeT me da Cemi ramdenime megobari politikur procesebSi. 2011 wels dagvapatimres da saxelmwifo xelisuflebis Camogdebis motiviT gagvasamarTles. Cvens saqmes masmediaSi `televiziis saqmedac~ moixsenieben. imdenad absurduli iyo es braldebebi, rom axali xelisuflebis mosvlis Semdeg, Zalian male, politpatimris statusi mogvaniWes da 2013 wlis dekemberSi davtoveT sapyrobile.
– gisosebs miRma Tu gagiCndaT sinanulis gancda?
– sinanulis gancda da fiqri, rom ar unda gadamedga is nabijebi, rac gadavdgi, arasodes mqonia, piriqiT, dro rom ukan davabrunoT, ara mgonia gulgrili viyo im movlenebis mimarT, rac iyo maSin Cvens qveyanaSi. Tumca imaze fiqri, rom gareT arian adamianebi, vinc Senze nerviulobs, ojaxis wevrebi, romlebic uZilo Rameebs aTeneben, saSinlad mtkivneulia. maSin, me vijeqi cixeSi, romelic ar hgavda cixes – is iyo erT-erTi arahumanuri da araadamianuri sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebuleba, romlis msgavsi, albaT, mTel msoflioSic ar arsebobs. maSinac yvela saerTaSoriso Tu adgilobrivi organizacia amaze saubrobda. gadatvirTuli cixeebi, aranairi infrastruqtura, aranairi higiena, arasaTanado mopyroba… Tavisuflebis aRkveTa umZimesi sasjelia, Tumca im sistemis dros, romelic adamianis uflebebs yoveldRiurad laxavda – saSineleba.
– cixis datovebis Semdeg ratom gaakeTeT arCevani aWaris televiziaSi muSaobaze, maSin rodesac Tqven swored aRniSnuli televiziis blokirebasa da masSi SeWris mcdelobaSi gedebodaT brali?
– cixidan gamosvlis Semdeg araerTi SemoTavazeba miviRe, maT Soris, televiziidan, gamekeTebina iuridiuli gadacema, romlis avtori da wamyvani Tavad viqnebodi, televizia mTavazobda `burTs da moedans~, sadac SemeZlo xalxisTvis meTqva is, Tu risTvis vibrZodiT me da Cemi megobrebi. momeca asparezi sadac SevZlebdiT cenzuris gareSe, Riad, pirdapir eTerSi mesaubra sxvadasxva Temaze. maSin Zalian vnerviulobdi, radgan Jurnalistika CemTvis SeiZleba ucxo ar iyo, magram arc imdenad axlo, rom erTi saaTi pirdapir eTerSi, qronometraJiani gadacema wameyvana. es yvelaferi sasworze Sedgomas gavda, mec Sevdeqi da karga xani aRar Camovedi, daaxloebiT sami weli. vfiqrob, gadacema Rirda sayureblad. male televiziis direqtoris moadgilec gavxdi mauwyeblobis ganviTarebis dargSi da unda aRiniSnos, rom raRac ukeT wavida televiziaSi. neitraluroba, obieqturoba, mravalferovneba, is, rac televizias wlebis ganmavlobaSi aklda, im periodSi namdvilad gamosworda da dRes ufro metad viTardeba, rac TiToeuli iq momuSave adamianis damsaxurebaa.
– rogor fiqrobT, ra aris Jurnalistikis mTavari xibli da Tu gyavs gamorCeuli respondenti?
– pirveli, es aris yoveldRiuri cieb-cxeleba, saintereso foriaqi, mudmivad SimSilis grZnoba, swored aseTi gancda axlavs Jurnalistikas, sul gSia. rac Seexeba respondentebs, CemTvis erT-erTi gamorCeuli respondenti daviT baqraZe iyo, is amJamad saqarTvelos sruluflebiani elCia amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi, maSin ki reintegraciis ministri iyo. rac Seexeba yvelaze gaxmaurebul gadacemas – 2013 wels moqmedi premier-ministri biZina ivaniSvili myavda gadacemaSi stumrad. mis mimarT Zalian didi interesi iyo, maSin movaxerxe da erTsaaTiani eqskluziuri interviu Cavwere. is frazebi da gzavnilebi, romelic premierma gadacemaSi gaaJRera, ganxilvis sagani gaxda ara mxolod qarTul, aramed ucxour mediaSic.
– rogoria is baTumi, romelic yvelaze Zalian giyvars?
– pirveli asociacia, rac baTumTan dakavSirebiT miCndeba, es aris Tbili misalmeba, swored es gamoarCevs mas sxva qalaqebisgan. aq adamianebi erTmaneTs aRiqvamen rogorc axlobels, rogorc TavianTi cxovrebis nawils. adamianuri urTierTobebi, romelic yvelaze mniSvnelovania am samyaroSi, sxva, ufro maRal donezea ayvanili baTumSi, rac Zalian maxarebs. marto zRva da irgvliv Semortymuli mTebi rodia qalaqis silamaze. baTumi, pirvel rigSi, Tbili gamarjobiT da RimiliT iwyeba, im damokidebulebebiT, romelic saukunes gauZlebs.
– Tavisufali dro…
– Zalian bevri megobari myavs, rac CemTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovani simdidrea. am bolo dros, samuSao grafikidan gamomdinare, uyuradRebod mrCebian, Tumca arasdros ar neldeba is urTierTdamokidebuleba da siyvaruli, rac megobrobas axlavs. Tu maqvs Tavisufali dro, vcdilob, maTTan erTad gavataro. isini me mavseben.
– hobi…
– hobi yvela adamians aqvs, gaaCnia ra doziT. minda jansaRi cxovrebis wesiT cxovreba, risTvisac dro naklebad mrCeba. Cemi survilia, momavalSi sportuli da gasarTobi centri mqondes, sadac axalgazrdebi movlen, sulierad daisveneben da dakavdebian sportiT. am survilis ganxorcielebas sakmaod didi Tanxa sWirdeba, rac maferxebs.
– rogoria Seyvarebuli cotne ananiZe?
– Seyvarebuli cotne ananiZe, samwuxarod, arasodes minaxavs, gatacebebi ki yvelas gvaqvs, es absoluturad normaluri da bunebrivia. sakmaod romantikosi var da CemTvisac sainteresoa rogori viqnebodi Seyvarebuli. CemTvis es asocirdeba cxovrebis Tanamgzavris povnasTan, rac niSnavs yvelafris gayofas da gaerTianebas erTdroulad. albaT, adre Tu gvian, ver avcdebi amas.
– ra aris SenTvis bedniereba?
– bednierebis aRqma individualuria. vfiqrob, yvela adamianisTvis aris bednierebis adgili dedamiwis zurgze. rogorc amboben, bednierebis formula aseTia: iyavi bednieri da kmayofili imiT, rac gaqvs. Cveni religiac amas gveubneba, viyoT madlierebi imiT, rac gagvaCnia. adamians, romelsac aqvs uflis mimarT madliereba, is martivad aRwevs sulier srulyofilebas, anu bednierebas.
– ar arsebobs dRe, romelSic ar arsebobs….
– adamianebi. maT gareSe ar arsebobs arc erTi dRe. Tundac gisosebs miRma iyo sul marto, an sadme ukacriel kunZulze, Sens fiqrebSi mudam iqneba adamiani.
– ras niSnavs SenTvis politika da politikosis statusi?
– politikosoba ar aris privilegia. isic iseTive adamiania, rogorc sxva danarCeni. mas unda hqondes gaazrebuli pasuxismgebloba. Cems SemTxvevaSic, vcdilob, ase iyos. maqvs pasuxismgebloba da gansakuTrebiT, komisiis farglebSi, romelsac aWaris umaRles sabWoSi vxelmZRvanelob. CemTvis mTavaria, sakuTar TavTan da sazogadoebasTan viyo marTali. Tu politikosi xar, yvela gamowvevas unda gaumklavde da ar Sercxve, ar dauSva gamousworebeli danaSauli, romelic Sens pativs da Rirsebas dacems.
– wlebis Semdeg isev JurnalistikaSi dabrunebas xom ar apirebT?
– ar gamovricxav. rogorc Jurnalistika, aseve politika, narkotikiviTaa, verc erTs Tmob da verc meores.
– sazogadoeba, romelSic cxovrob?
– marTalia, is sazogadoeba, romelSic vcxovrob, kargia, magram yvelam erTad mis gaumjobesebaze unda vifiqroT. ufro metad unda davuaxlovdeT Cvens istoriul da samomavlo ojaxs, romelsac evropuli Rirebulebebi hqvia.
– is, rac ginda rom axdes…
– minda Cveni sazogadoeba Tavisufali, solidaruli da pasuxismgeblobiT savse iyos. mjera ukeTesi momavlis da imis, rom xval yvelaferi bevrad ukeT iqneba.
