რაულ კახაძე: სასამართლო პროცესს მოვიგებთ თუ არა, გარდაცვლილების ოჯახის წევრებს ბინებს მაინც გადავცემთ საკუთრებაში …
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gasuli wlis 9 seqtembers, baTumSi sastumro `euforias~ mimdebared, mSenebare maRalsarTuliani kompleqsidan ori axalgazrda mamakaci Camovarda da orive gardaicvala. mSeneblobas kompania `metro betoni~ awarmoebda. cnobilia, rom dazRveuli iyo rogorc obieqti, ise mSeneblobaze dasaqmebulebi, Tanac sakmaod soliduri limitiT – gardacvalebis SemTxvevaSi 100 aTasi dolariT. gardacvlilebis ojaxis wevrebs dRemde ar miuRiaT dazRvevis Tanxa, xsenebuli 100 aTasi dolari. marTalia, sicocxle fasdaudebelia, Tumca, arc isaa gasakviri, gardacvlilis ojaxis wevrebi kuTvnil Tanxebs rom iTxoven. moxda ise, rom sadazRvevo kompania `unisoni~, sadac dazRveulebi iyvnen muSebi, Tanxis gadaxdaze uars acxadebs da ambobs, rom dasaqmebulebis gardacvalebis dros, samSeneblo kompanias dazRvevis Tanxa ar hqonda Caricxuli. saqmem sasamarTloSi gadainacvla da mxareebi simarTlis garkvevas iq Seecdebian. manamde ki, ra da rogor moxda, amaze `aWarasTan~ kompaniis direqtorTa sabWos wevrma raul kaxaZem vrclad isaubra.
– pirvelive dRes, roca es fataluri faqti moxda, vidre sadazRvevo kompania `unisonis~ cxel xazze davrekavdiT, gardacvlilebis ojaxebSi mivediT da vuTxariT, rom maTi ojaxis wevrebi dazRveulebi iyvnen. sadazRvevo kompaniebi, xSir SemTxvevaSi, mxolod dapirebebs yidian da roca faqtis winaSe dgebian, sxva realobaa. Cven gardacvlilis ojaxis wevrebs imTaviTve vuTxariT, rom imas, rac sadazRvevo polisSi ewera, aucileblad miRebdnen, ar gviTqvams, rom Tu sadazRvevo kompania Tanxas ar aanazRaurebda, Cven gadavixdidiT, vTqvaT, ara 100 aTas dolars, aramed 100 aTas lars, – ase daiwyo CvenTan saubari batonma raulma.
– batono raul, iyo Tu ara usafrTxoebis normebi mSeneblobaze daculi?
– iyo daudevroba. iseT adgilze moxda SemTxveva, SeiZleba iTqvas, rom damnaSavea yvela da amavdroulad aravin… yovlad dauSvebelia bagirze amweTi asvla. dabmulebic rom yofiliyvnen, mainc ar SeiZleboda. amwem aswia tvirTi da muSebic ayvnen zemoT, rac dauSvebelia. miWirs kidec am Temaze saubari. saqmeze mowmeebi daikiTxnen. iTqva isic, rom aw gardacvlilebi araerTxel gaafrTxiles, amweTi ki ara, kibeebiT rom unda asuliyvnen. operatoric da misi damxmarec ambobs, rom ar SeumCneviaT, rogor avidnen amweze muSebi. mokled, moxda is, rac moxda.
– saqmeze gamoZieba dasrulebulia?
– TiTqmis dasrulda, male iqneba sasamarTlo procesi da Sesabamisad, damnaSavis pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxic dadgeba dRis wesrigSi.
– ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba gawydes bagiri?
– marTlac mniSvnelovani detalia, bagiri konkretuli simZimis tvirTs swevs da faqtia, imaze meti aswia, rac unda aewia. arsebobs eqspertizis daskvna da operatoris danaSauli ikveTeba. is biWebic rom tvirTTan erTad ar unda yofiliyvnen, esec udavoa.
– sicocxle fasdaudebelia, Tumca… ra iRona kompaniam ojaxebis dasaxmareblad?
– geTanxmebiT, rom sicocxle fasdaudebelia. gviWirs am Temaze saubari, imis Tqmac, rom daRupulTa ojaxebs finansurad vexmarebiT. `metro holdingis~ mflobelis, batoni galifis pozicia aseTia – marjvena xeliT rasac gascem, marcxenam ar unda icodes.
– mesmis, magram vrceldeba informacia, rom kompania dazaralebulebs ar daexmara da elodeba sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas sadazRvevo kompaniasTan mimdinare davaSi.
– raki sazogadoeba fiqrobs, rom Cven gardacvlilTa ojaxebs ar davxmarebivarT, maSin getyviT, kompaniam gaiRo dakrZalvis da Semdgomi xarjebi. movawyveT sasaflaoebi. radgan `unisonTan~ problemebi Seiqmna da faqtis winaSe davdeqiT, rom procesi droSi gaiweleboda, gardacvlilebis meuRleebs fataluri faqtidan ori Tvis Semdeg 1000 lars yovelTviurad vuricxavT sabanko angariSze xelfasis saxiT. garda amisa, gardacvlilebis ojaxis wevrebisTvis – Svilebisa da meuRlisTvis cal-calke gvaqvs binebi SeZenili, jamSi 6 bina, TiToeuli daaxloebiT 60 kvadratuli metris, `voqsis~ mimdebare teritoriaze. binebi am etapze garemontebuli araa da arc sakuTrebaSi gadagvicia maTTvis, velodebiT, rogor damTavrdeba Cveni da `unisonis~ sasamarTlo procesi.
– Tu kompania sadazRvevo kompanias sasamarTlo process mougebs, gardacvlilebis ojaxis wevrebs binebs aRar gadascemT?
– sasamarTlo process movigebT Tu ara, maT binebs mainc gadavcemT sakuTrebaSi da am gadawyvetilebas kompania ar Secvlis.
– Tu asea, maSin ratom elodebiT sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas?
– SeiZleba sazogadoebisTvis es detali umniSvnelo iyos, magram, `unisons~ 200 aTas dolarze vedavebiT da Tu Cven am Tanxas gadavixdiT, mere davas raRa azri aqvs. daRupulTa ojaxebi mxarea, romelic kategoriulad iTxovs, avanazRauroT is Tanxa, rac sadazRvevo polisSi weria. Tu isini kuTvnil Tanxas miiReben, maSin rogorc mxare procesebs gamoeTiSebian. mxolod Cven da `unisoni~ vrCebiT dapirispirebuli. aqedan gamomdinare, am etapze Tavs vikavebT Tanxebis gacemisgan. gvinda davuSvaT precedenti da vaCvenoT sadazRvevo bazars, rom qveyana CaliT araa daxuruli da ase ar unda iqceodnen…
– `unisonTan~ urTierTobas agrZelebT?
– maTi sadazRvevo polisebi erTwliania da 2018 wlis 17 agvistomde aqvs vada. Tumca gadavwyviteT, sxva sadazRvevo kompaniasTan viTanamSromloT da molaparakebebsac vawarmoebT.
– `unisonSi~ acxadeben, rom im droisTvis, roca mSeneblobaze dasaqmebulebi daiRupnen, `metro betons~ sadazRvevo kompaniisTvis Tanxa ar hqonda gadaricxuli.
– `metro holdingSi~ ramdenime Svilobili kompania Sedis. Tu erTi kompaniidan Cven gvqonda `unisonTan~ daavalianeba, samagierod sxva kompaniasTan mimarTebaSi hqonda maT Cveni vali. amitom, vaxdendiT urTierTCaTvlebs, es Cveulebrivi komerciuli Temaa. swored aseTi urTierTCaTvla unda momxdariyo xsenebul SemTxvevaSic. rac sadazRvevo kompaniam saTavisod gamoiyena. sasamarTlo praqtikas Tu gadavxedavT, urTierTCaTvlebis Tema sakmaod momgebian poziciaSi ayenebs Cvens kompanias.
– batono raul, ara mxolod mSeneblobis procesSi usafrTxoebis normebis daucveloba, aramed ukve dasrulebul obieqtebSi saxanZro usafrTxoebac ybadaRebuli Temaa. Tundac `leograndSi~ datrialebuli tragedia gavixsenoT. am mxriv rogori viTarebaa Tqvens obieqtebze?
– kargia rom kanonmdebloba am mimarTulebiT, raRac doneze, gamkacrda. Cveni agebuli obieqtebi, gansakuTrebiT ki sastumroebi yvela im ZiriTad standarts akmayofilebs, rasac kanoni iTxovs. ufro metic, gvaqvs sistemebi, romlebic avtomatur reJimSi gvatyobinebs, sadme kvamli Tu SeimCneva. gvaqvs gadaketvis meqanizmi, Tu erT sarTulze xanZaria, sxva sarTulze rom ar gadavides, aseve cecxlmedegi karebi Tavisi hidravlikuri saxurebiT da sxva. Tumca, romelime kompanias Tu moiyvan da Seamowmebineb Tavidan bolomde, ityvis, rom raRac arasworadaa gakeTebuli da sxva. saTqmelia isic, rodesac proeqtebi keTdeboda, ucxoelebs ukvirdaT, saxanZro usafrTxoebis kuTxiT moTxovnebi umniSvnelo rom iyo. arc isaa aucilebeliþ raRac daiwvas, viRac daiRupos da mere gamkacrdes kanonmdebloba.
– mTavrobis 41-e dadgenilebis Semdeg, rac saxanZro usafrTxoebis gamkacrebas gulisxmobs, maleve, kanonmdeblobiT, simaRleze muSaobis usafrTxoebis normebic gamkacrda.
– nebismier dros SegiZliaT daaTvalieroT Cveni obieqtebi, gamocdili usafrTxoebis samsaxuri gvyavs daqiravebuli, romelic treningebs sxva obieqtebis TanamSromlebs utareben da sertifikatebsac gascemen, magram, raoden gasakviric unda iyos, CvenTan dasaqmebulebisTvis araerTi jarima gvaqvs dawerili – rom muSas ar ekeTa usafrTxoebis qamari, ar exura Cafxuti da sxva… problema mxolod kanonmdeblobis gamkacrebiT ar mogvardeba, dasaqmebulebis TviTSegnebac unda amaRldes da gaiTavison, rom muSaobis procesSi usafrTxoebis normebi daicvan.
– Tqvens samSeneblo kompanias dasaqmebulebi xSirad saprotesto aqciebs uwyoben da am faqts versad gaveqceviT. muSebi amboben, rom isini kuTvnil anazRaurebas ver iReben, an kidev – maTTan xelSekrulebebs darRvevebiT aformebT…
– Tu nebas damrTavT, vidre saprotesto aqciebze getyviT, manamde minda sazogadoebam icodes, rom `metro betonma~ 2015 wlis dasawyisSi aiRo mSeneblobis nebarTva miwis nakveTze, sadac konkretuli odenobis investicia unda Cagvedo da nakisri valdebuleba 2019 wlis 6 Tebervlamde Segvesrulebina, Tumca `euforiad~ wodebuli kompleqsi gavxseniT 2016 wlis 9 seqtembers – Zalian mokle droSi. amasTan, kompania erTdroulad oTx proeqts awarmoebda qalaqis sxvadasxva ubanSi. am periodSi CvenTan daaxloebiT 3 aTasi adamiani muSaobda, magram uSualod vinc `metro betonSi~ iyo dasaqmebuli, xelfass droulad iRebda, erTi dRiTac ki ar gadagvicilebia daTqmul vadas. amavdroulad 300-mde qvekontraqtori gvyavda. adamianebi SeTxzuli gamocdilebiT modiodnen CvenTan. radgan mSeneblobis dasrulebas vCqarobdiT, brmad vendobodiT maT. roca maTi namuSevrebis Semowmebis dro dgeboda, aRmoCndeboda, rom samuSaoebi arc xarisxianad iyo Sesrulebuli da masalac saWiroze meti iyo daxarjuli. Tqven rogor moiqceodiT aseT SemTxvevaSi? maTive gafuWebuli saqmis gamosworebaSi damatebiT Tanxebs iTxoven. amitom iyo aqciebi, ramac kompaniis imiji, samwuxarod, sakmaod daazarala. arada, braldebebis 90 procenti usafuZvlo iyo. Cvens menejmentSic iyo problemebi, radgan brmad yvelasaTvis ar unda gamoecxadebinaT ndoba… kompaniis top-menejmentSi adgilobrivebi naklebad arian, Tumca holdingis damfuZneblis, batoni galifis midgoma iyo, dasaqmebulebi adgilobrivebi yofiliyvnen, ramac, faqtia, ar gaamarTla. dRes ucxoelebi urCeven, Secdomebs nuRar dauSvebs da specialistebi sazRvargareTidan Camoiyvanos, rac cota met finansebTan iqneba dakavSirebuli, magram…
– gindaT TqvaT, rom CvenTan profesionali kadrebis deficitia?
– im adamianebs, vinc Tavis droze aqciebs gviwyobda, bevri ram vaswavleT, filtraciac gavakeTeT da raRac Sedegic gvaqvs. kompania ucxoeli specialistebis Camoyvanas ki ar gaurbis finansuri Tvalsazrisis gamo, aramed gvinda, meti adgilobrivi iyos dasaqmebuli.
– Tqveni kompaniiT ukmayofilo adamianebi mravlad arian, Tumca maT ricxvs arc madlierebi CamorCebian. vici, araerT socialur proeqtSi monawileobT. mesmis, holdingis damfuZnebeli piariT araa dakavebuli da fiqrobs, sikeTe Cumad unda akeTo, magram amaze xmamaRla saubaric araa danaSauli – sikeTe xom gadamdebia…
– Tu im principiT vimsjelebT, rom sikeTe gadamdebia, maSin maT, vinc ar icis, vetyvi, rom `metro holdingi~ 2014 wlidan solidarobis fondTan TanamSromlobs, romelSic 3 milion laramde gvaqvs gadaricxuli. socialurad daucvel ramdenime ojaxs bina sakuTrebaSi gadaveciT, borjomis tyis aRdgenaSi Cveni wvlili 500 aTasi lariT SevitaneT, aris kidev sxva araerTi RonisZieba, anu holdingis gakeTebuli keTili saqmeebis sia vrcelia da, bunebrivia, yvelas ver CamovTvli. arc piariT varT dakavebulebi…
– dabolos, vfiqrob, am giganturi holdingis mokle istoriac saitereso iqneboda sazogadoebisTvis.
– Cven 2010 wlidan SemovediT qarTul bazarze da saqmianoba `avrasia jorjias~ saxelwodebiT daviwyeT. Semdeg daarsda holdingi `metro~, romelSic ramdenime Svilobili kompaniaa gaerTianebuli. holdingma wlebis win baTumSi – gogolis quCaze aaSena avtosadguri, romelic dRemde Cvenive ZalebiT – `metros~ avtobusebiT muSaobs. amasTan, yvelam icis, ra mdgomareobaSia centraluri avtosadguri. holdingma daafuZna kompania `atlas jorjia~, romelmac aWaris finansTa da ekonomikis saministrosgan 40 aTasi kvadratuli metri miwis nakveTi pirobian auqcionze SeiZina – kompanias unda daexarja 42 milioni dolari, dasaqmebulTa 90 procenti unda yofiliyo qarTveli, agveSenebina 200-nomriani sastumro da kazino, Cven ki avaSeneT 455-nomriani sastumro, romelic ara mxolod saqarTveloSi, aramed amierkavkasiaSi yvelaze didia. baTumSi yvelaze didi savaWro centri gavxseniT, gvaqvs, aseve, yvelaze didi sakonferencio darbazi da yvelaze didi kazino. amas mohyva sxva proeqtebi… axal bulvarSi movawyveT yvelaze didi avtoparkingi, rac CvenTvis aravis dauvalebia. Tamamad SeiZleba vTqvaT, avtoparkingis adgilze sami kompleqsis aSeneba SegveZlo, magram CavTvaleT, rom qalaqisTvis socialuri daniSnulebis proeqti ufro mniSvnelovani iyo. axali bulvariT Cven Semdeg dainteresdnen sxva kompaniebi. Tavis droze kvadratuli metri miwis nakveTi am teritoriaze 50 dolari Rirda, dRes ki mosaxleoba 400 dolarad afasebs – fasebis zrdasac Cven SevuwyveT xeli.
