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bolo ramdenime dRea, baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlo sazogadoebis yuradRebis centrSia. amave sasamarTlos mosamarTle irakli SavaZe sasamarTlos Tavmjdomares samsaxurebrivi uflebamosilebis gadametebaSi, borotad gamoyenebasa da zewolaSi sdebs brals. irakli SavaZem daviT mamiseiSvlis misamarTiT braldebebi mas Semdeg gaaJRera, rac iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom uvadod gamwesebaze uari uTxra. saqalaqo sasamarTlos mosamarTle daxmarebas arasamTavrobo seqtors sTxovs. mas mxardaWera advokatebmac gamoucxades, Tumca saqalaqo sasamarTlos mosamarTleebma ar mouwones sajaro gancxadebebi da sapasuxod sasamarTlos oficialur vebgverdze sagangebo gancxadeba gaavrceles.
xmaurian dapirispirebaze Cven SevecadeT orive mxarisTvis mogvesmina da saSualeba migveca, poziciebi gazeTis saSualebiT daefiqsirebinaT. vinaidan batonma iraklim, araerTgzis SeTavazebis miuxedavad, saqalaqo sasamarTlos TavmjdomaresTan intervius Caweramde dro ver gamonaxa Cveni kiTxvebisTvis epasuxa, dRes baton daviT mamiseiSvilTan intervius gTavazobT. momdevno nomerSi ki Tavis saTqmels batoni irakli SavaZe ityvis.
– batono daviT, irakli SavaZe acxadebs, rom Tqven mas ar elaparakebodiT. butia xarT?
– butia da boRma namdvilad ar var, es im adamianebs SeuZliaT daadasturon, romlebTanac yoveldRiuri urTierToba da komunikacia maqvs. baton irakli SavaZesTan komunikacia gawyvetili mqonda, radgan mimaCnda, rom igi safrTxes warmoadgenda CemTvis, rogorc mosamarTlisTvis. varaudi 2 wlis Semdeg amixda kidec, rac masTan komunikacia gavwyvite da aranairi formiT urTierToba ar mqonda, velodebodi, rom is Cems mimarT sicruis tiraJirebas moaxdenda.
– igi konkretul braldebebs giyenebT, Tqven ra gaZlevdaT safuZvels gefiqraT, rom batoni irakli safrTxes warmoadgenda TqvenTvis, rogorc mosamarTlisTvis?
– pirveli braldeba batoni SavaZis aris is, rom TiTqos zaza arTmelaZis saqmesTan dakavSirebiT masze zewolas vaxdendi, rac mtknari sicruea. me masTan xsenebul saqmeze aranairi komunikacia ar mqonia da verc meqneboda. kanoni mosamarTles, maT Soris sasamarTlos Tavmjdomares, uzRudavs mosamarTles mosTxovos saqmeze raime formiT angariSi. man miiRo is gadawyvetileba, rac sworad CaTvala da amaze misTvis pasuxi aravis mouTxovia. batonma SavaZem icis, rom aw gardacvlil zaza arTmelaZesTan dakavSirebiT damipirispirda Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos yofili Tavmjdomare mamuka axvlediani. rogorc Cans, ifiqra, Tu sazogadoebas Tavadac miawvdida cru informacias am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT, sazogadoeba daujerebda. faqtia, asec moxda. es saqme ar yofila Cven Soris wyalgamyofi. wyalgamyofi iyo is, rom batoni SavaZisTvis, sasamarTlos mier dadgenili praqtika – uzenaesi da saapelacio sasamarTlo instanciebi, miuRebeli iyo. samwuxarod, ar SemiZlia is sityvebi ganvmarto, ramac sabolood mafiqrebina, rom baton SavaZesTan komunikacia safrTxisSemcveli iyo CemTvis. amis Taobaze iusticiis umaRles sabWos mivawvdi informacias, Tu amiT samosamarTleo eTikis wesebi ar dairRveva, amasac vikiTxav.
– miTiTebad da zewolad ar unda CaiTvalos is, rom Tqven baton SavaZes sTxovdiT sasamarTlo praqtikis gaziarebas?
– es ar aris miTiTeba. uzenaesi da saapelacio sasamarTloebis gadawyvetilebebi sarekomendacio xasiaTisaa, Sesabamisad, am gadawyvetilebebis praqtikaSi gamoyeneba mniSvnelovania imisaTvis, rom mxareebma naTlad icodnen, sasamarTloSi ra mtkicebulebis wardgenis SemTxvevaSi miiReben maTTvis sasurvel Sedegs. magaliTisTvis, Tuki narkotikul danaSaulze, didi odenobis narkotikuli saSualebis ukanono SeZena-SenaxvisTvis erTi braldebulis mimarT aRkveTis RonisZiebis saxiT gamoiyeneba girao da meore braldebulis mimarT sasamarTlo, igive faqtobrivi garemoebebis SemTxvevaSi, gamo-iyenebs patimrobas, SegveZleba vTqvaT, rom adgili aqvs gansxvavebul praqti-kas – SerCeviT marTlmsajulebas. Sesabamisad, rodesac saapelacio instanciis sasamarTlo Secvlis gadawyvetilebas da daubrundeba giraos, niSnavs, rom pirveli instanciis sasamarTloebma unda icodnen, ra gadawyvetileba miiRon msgavs saqmeze. es ician prokurorebmac da advokatebmac. Tundac saqmis arsebiTad ganxilvis sxdomaze, mxareebs moaqvT sasamarTloSi rogorc saapelacio, ise sakasacio instanciebis gadawyvetilebebi, raTa mosamarTles uTxran maTi poziciis siswore da auxsnan, rom konkretuli kategoriis saqmeze aseTi praqtikaa dadgenili, riTac yvela mxares, rogorc prokurors, ise advokats gonivruli molodini aqvs, Tu ra gadawyvetileba unda miiRos sasamarTlom. es praqtika ar aris valdebuleba, sarekomendacio xasiaTisaa, magram rodesac sasamarTlo praqtikas gverds auvlian, niSnavs imas, rom viRac ufro met upiratesobas an naklebs iRebs sakuTar Tavze. amdenad, sasamarTlo praqtika CvenTvis, iuristebisTvis mniSvnelovania.
– rogorc aRniSneT da irakli SavaZec acxadebs, zaza arTmelaZis saqmes ukavSirdeba Tqven Soris komunikaciis gawyveta. advokati ramin papiZe ki socialur qselSi wers, rom Tqven ufro adre, irakli SavaZis advokatobis periodSi gqondaT masTan problema. erT-erT argumentad 100- larian jarimas asaxelebs, xsenebuli TanxiT dagijarimebiaT jer kidev advokati SavaZe. man gaasaCivra Tqveni gadawyvetileba da jarimac gaauqma zemdgomi instanciis sasamarTlom. Tqven Tu gaxsendebaT irakli SavaZisTvis jarimis daweris SemTxveva?
– arc erT saqmeze gadawyvetilebas piradi interesiT ar viReb. maxsovs, batoni SavaZis mimarT administraciuli saxdeli marTlac gamoviyene, albaT sasamarTlo darbazSi wesrigis darRvevis gamo. Cemi gadawyvetileba saCivrdeboda, ganixila saapelacio sasamarTlom da gaauqma. piradi interesi irakli SavaZis mimarT ratom an rodis unda mqonoda? bevri advokati, roca saqmes agebs, Cemi misamarTiT akeTebs kritikul da xSir SemTxvevaSi Seuracxmyofel gancxadebebsac ki. socialur qselSic SegiZliaT naxoT es gancxadebebi, magram imave advokatebis dacvis qveS myofTaTvis gamamarTlebeli ganaCenic gamomitania. piradi interesiT mosamarTle gadawyvetilebas rom miiRebs, gulwrfelad getyviT, is mosamarTleobis Rirsi ar aris. mosamarTlem gadawyvetileba mtkicebulebebisa da kanonis safuZvelze unda miiRos. damerwmuneT, aTwliani samosamarTle saqmianobis periodSi arasodes Cemi SexedulebiT, piradi interesiT, gabrazebis an sixarulis gamo vinmesTvis arc Semimsubuqebia da arc damimZimebia mdgomareoba. gamomiyenebia uvadod Tavisuflebis aRkveTa, 20 weli, 15 da bevric gamimarTlebia an pirobiTi msjavri mimicia da sasamarTlos sxdomaTa darbazidan gamiTavisuflebia. CemTvis imis dabraleba, rom SavaZis mimarT raime piradi interesi mqonda, sicruea. rac Seexeba advokatebis mxardaWeras mis mimarT, bunebrivicaa. rogorc vxvdebi, irakli SavaZes maTTan aqvs axlo megobruli urTierToba da Tu isini megobrebi arian, gamovlen da mis dasacavad gancxadebas gaakeTeben an raime moqmedebas ganaxorcieleben.
– Tqvens kolegebze ras ityviT, romlebmac mxari dagiWires da oficialuri gancxadebac gaavrceles sasamarTlos vebgverdze?
– irakli SavaZis gancxadeba mxolod me, daviT mamiseiSvils rom Semxeboda, SeiZleboda gveTqva, rom kolegebs raime formiT ar unda gamoexataT sakuTari mosazreba, magram batoni SavaZe Seexo yvela mis kolegas da Tqva, rom `koleqtiuri murusiZeebi~ arian sasamarTloSi da is iyo erTaderTi `daumorCilebeli~, wamebuli mosamarTle. mosamarTleebs, romlebic baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi muSaoben, 15-18-wliani samosamarTleo praqtika aqvT. aravis, miT ufro kolegas, maTTvis vinmes morCileba ar daubralebia. jumber beJaniZes, goCa futkaraZes an violeta forCxiZes davabraloT vinmes mimarT morCileba? maT lamis Cveni asakis praqtika aqvT da imaze aRSfoTdnen, rom Seuracxmyofeli sityvebiT moixsenia maTive kolegam.
– isev socialuri qseli unda moviSvelio da advokati papiZe, romelic wers, rom mosamarTleebma zewolas ver gauZles da imitom moaweres xeli gancxadebas…
– advokati ramin papiZe mcdar informacias avrcelebs, is Zalian kargad icnobs mosamarTleebs goCa futkaraZes, jumber beJaniZes da salix SainiZes. Tu baton papiZes miaCnia, rom am adamianebze raime formiT zewola SesaZlebelia, aferum mis nacnobobas da urTierTobas am mosamarTleebTan. vin-vin da swored papiZem kargad unda icodes, rom samive gamorCeuli da uRirseulesi mosamarTlea. goCa futkaraZe saqarTveloSi pirveli mosamarTle iyo, romelic uvadod ganmwesda da es CvenTvis, yvelasTvis saamayoa.
– batono daviT, ra principiT xdeba saqmeebis ganawileba? isev arTmelaZis saqmes unda davubrunde, romelzec mosmarTle SavaZe ambobs, rom xsenebuli saqme Segnebulad daawereT.
– kargia, rom amoqmedebulia saqmeebis ganawilebis eleqtronuli sistema da sasamarTlos Tavmjdomareebi saerTod ar erevian saqmeebis ganawilebaSi. usafuZvloa gancxadebebi, TiTqos sasamarTlos Tavmjdomareebi gansazRvraven saqmeebis rigiTobas an gankargvas, es sakiTxi dRes ukve mowesrigebulia. rac Seexeba konkretulad arTmelaZis saqmis batoni iraklisTvis daweras, rodesac winasasamarTlo sxdomas vatarebdiT, rigiTobis wesiT xdeboda am saqmeebis ganawileba. Tu saqmeze gadawydeboda, rom arsebiTi ganxilva dawyebuliyo, mosamarTlesTan TanaSemwis meSveobiT midioda es saqme da mas 14 dRis vadaSi unda daeniSna arsebiTi ganxilvis pirveli sxdoma. swored am wesiT ganawilda SavaZeze arTmelaZis saqme. misi gancxadebebi, TiTqos ewereboda rTuli saqmeebi, sicruea. hkiTxeT baton iraklis, imaze rTuli kategoriis saqme daewera, vidre sasamarTlos Tavmjdomares ewera da ixilavda? ramdeni mkvlelobis, yaCaRobis saqme aqvs dasrulebuli baton SavaZes? aslan abaSiZis 50-tomiani saqme davasrule, romlis ganaCenic 160 gverdi iyo. 8-mde mkvlelobis saqme… mkacri gadawyvetilebebic miviRe, Tuki damnaSaved vcani, yaCaRobaze gamamarTlebeli da gamamtyunebeli ganaCenebi gamomitania. sainteresoa, mkvlelobebis, yaCaRobebis saqmeebi aqvs Tu ara dasrulebuli?
– batoni irakli Tqven gikavSirebT misadmi disciplinur devnas.
– ara mxolod disciplinur devnas. mabralebs, rom Turme vmarTav saqarTvelos prokuraturas da sasjelaRsrulebis sistemas. ambobs imasac, rom mis mimarT disciplinuri pasuxismgebloba daiwyo iusticiis umaRlesma sabWom Cemi zemoqmedebiT. Turme, aseve, me davavale prokuraturas da sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebis xelmZRvanels masze saCivrebi waredginaT iusticiis umaRles sabWoSi. es mtknari sicruea. arc erTi gonieri adamiani pirveli instanciis sasamarTlos Tavmjdomares da mosamarTles ver daabralebs iusticiis umaRlesi sabWos, sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebis da prokuraturis marTvas. gamoricxulia da SeuZlebelia. me Tu amxela Zalaufleba maqvs, pirvel instanciaSi rigiT mosamarTled xom ar vimuSavebdi, sul sxva uwyebaSi wavidodi da sxva anazRaureba meqneboda.
– mosamarTlem daxmarebisTvis arasamTavrobo seqtors ukve mimarTa…
– batoni iraklis gancxadebebi rom mcdaria, unda icodes sazogadoebam. Tu ori wlis ganmavlobaSi is Cemi mxridan zewolas ganicdida, saqarTvelos iusticiis umaRles sabWoSi 15 wevria, aqedan 8 mosamarTle, xolo 6 aramosamarTle wevri da erTic uzenaesi sasamarTlos Tavmjdomare. davuSvaT, is ar endoboda mosamarTle wevrebs, mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi SeeZlo dakavSireboda aramosamarTle wevrebs, maT Soris prezidentis mier daniSnul wevrs da zewolis Taobaze sajarod, Riad eTqva, magram uvadod gamwesebaze uari rom uTxres, aman gaabraza. gabrazebulma adamianma es vinmes xom unda daabralos. sazogadoebaSi aseve Cndeba kiTxva, rogor SeiZleba sasamarTlos Tavmjdomares komunikacia ar hqondes mosamarTlesTan. sazogadoebam minda icodes, mosamarTlis funqcia marTlmsajulebis ganxorcielebaa, rac Tavis TavSi moicavs saqmeebis ganxilvas. Tu me baton iraklisTan komunikacia ar mqonda, Sesabamisad, masze raime formiT zewolac gamoricxulia. Cemi, rogorc sasamarTlos Tavmjdomaris valdebuleba iyo SavaZisTvis Semeqmna komfortuli samuSao garemo da asec iyo. mas hqonda rogorc kabineti, ise sasamarTlos sxdomis darbazi.
– irakli SavaZe ki sapirispiros irwmuneba.
– simarTlis gasarkvevad SegiZliaT naxoT sasamarTlos sxdomebis videoCanawerebi. batonma SavaZem daasaxelos erTi saqmec, roca mas darbazis gamo problema Seeqmna.
– Tqven mier gamocemul im or brZanebaze ras ityviT, romlebiTac, rogorc mosamarTle acxadebs, samsaxurebriv uflebamosilebas gadaaWarbeT da borotad gamoiyeneT?
– saerTo sasamarTloebis Sesaxeb saqarTvelos kanonis 30-e muxli, 2017 wlis 1 ivlisamde moqmedi redaqcia, sasamarTlos Tavmjdomares uflebas aZlevda, saqmeTa simravlidan gamomdinare mieRo gadawyvetileba da erTi kolegiis mosamarTlisTvis daevalebina sxva kolegiaSi saqmeTa ganxilva. vinaidan 2016 wlis ianvris dasawyisSi baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlo datova erTma mosamarTlem, romelsac warmoebaSi sisxlis samarTlis 140 saqme hqonda da im periodSi sxva mosamarTleebs asze meti saqme gvqonda TiToeuls arsebiTad gansaxilveli, CavTvale, marTlmsajulebis ganxorcielebis Seferxebis Tavidan asacileblad, baton SavaZes – administraciul saqmeTa kolegiis mosamarTles davaleboda sisxlis samarTlis kolegiaSi saqmeebis ganxilva. aseve, qobuleTis magistri mosamarTlis funqciis Sesruleba sisxlis samarTlis saproceso kodeqsis me-20 muxliT gaTvaliswinebul nawilSi davavale baton giorgi ratiaSvils da baton irakli SavaZes. gadawyvetileba Cemi da SavaZis komunikaciis Sedegad miviRe. irakli SavaZe, rogorc Tavis droze miTxra, ozurgeTis sasamarTloSi da Semdgom advokatobis periodSic, sisxlis samarTlis mimarTulebiT muSaobda. amitom davniSne sisxlis samarTlis saqmeTa kolegiaSi. misTvis es problemas ar warmoadgenda da Tanxmoba ganmicxada. xolo roca Cven Soris komunikacia aRar iyo, 2017 wlis 20 maiss oficialuri werili mivwere, vinaidan kanoni 2017 wlis 1 ivliss amoqmeddeboda da mosamarTlis Tanxmoba savaldebulo iyo sasxlis samarTlis saqmeTa kolegiaSi muSaobis gasagrZeleblad.
saqmeebis ganxilvasTan dakavSirebiT problemebi rom ar Seqmniliyo, rogorc ukve giTxariT, erTi TviTa da 10 dRiT adre mivwere mas werili. 23 maiss macnoba, rom survili hqonda samoqalaqo saqmeTa kolegiaSi gaegrZelebina saqmianoba da dabrunda kidec. usafuZvloa, rom amboben, TiTqos misi survilis gareSe gadaviyvane mosamarTle SavaZe sisxlis samarTlis saqmeTa kolegiidan samoqalaqoSi. arsebobs dokumentebi, romlebic xelmowerilia batoni SavaZis mier. amasTan, 2017 wlis 30 ivniss moxsenebiTi baraTi dawera da moiTxova mis warmoebaSi arsebuli sisxlis samarTlis saqmeebi amave kolegiis mosamarTlisaTvis gadagvewera.
– batono daviT, gasuli wlis bolos internetsivrceSi baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTlos TanamSromlebze gadaRebuli videoklipi gavrcelda. es ar iyo saimijo klipi, mas ufro gasarTobi datvirTva hqonda. Tavis droze klipis Taobaze gancxadeba ar gaakeTeT. saTqmelia isic, rom klipSi ar Canda mosamarTle SavaZe…
– batoni SavaZis garda, sxva mosamarTleebic ar monawileoben. klipi Cvenma kurierma zuram gaakeTa, romelic reperia saxelad `anarqia 18~. amasTan, baTumis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi muSaobs koleqtivi, romelic mTeli dRe samosamarTlo saqmianobiTaa dakavebuli, vixilavT saqmeebs. Tumca sasamarTlos miRma Cvenc Cveulebrivi adamianebi varT, gvyavs ojaxebi, Svilebi, gviyvars Tundac fexburTi. klipi gadaviReT saaxalwlo banketze sayureblad, romelzec daaxloebiT 100 adamiani vikribebiT, maT Soris batoni iraklic da mas aravin zRudavs.
