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warmatebuli da saqmiani qali – ase icnoben mas aramxolod saqarTveloSi. miznis misaRwevad bolomde ibrZvis, amasTan, rogorc Tavad ambobs, iRblianicaa. uyvars axali gamowvevebi da arasodes gaurbis sirTuleebs. urTierTobaSi uSualoa. saqmiani qalis imijis miRma saukeTeso deda da diasaxlisia. sainteresoa misi biografiuli monacemebic – evropis kulturis parlamentis, evropis JurnalistTa asociaciis, mediamenejerTa saerTaSoriso klubis da EPAG amerikis mTavrobis gacvliTi programebis saqarTvelos monawileTa asociaciis bordis wevria, biznesadministrirebis doqtoranti (bsu, sadisertacio Tema: mediis ekonomikuri politika. aris masobrivi komunikaciis (UaSS) da Jurnalistikisa da mediamenejmentis magistri (jipa) . 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi muSaobda sxvadasxva Tanamdebobaze beWdur, radio da tele-mediaSi. iyo saganmanaTleblo-SemecnebiTi satelevizio gadacemebis – `debatebi~, `amerika dRes~ avtori da prodiuseri, dokumenturi filmebis da socialuri sareklamo rgolebis prodiuseri, aqvs sazogadoebasTan urTierTobis mimarTulebiT xelmZRvanel Tanamdebobebze muSaobis 8-wliani gamocdileba. iyo aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis ministris moadgile, kulturis sferos kuratori, kiTxulobda leqciebs centraluri floridis universitetSi, kavkasiis universitetSi, gr. robaqiZis universitetsa da SoTa rusTavelis saxelobis saxelmwifo universitetSi. aris ramdenime samecniero naSromisa da sajaro gamosvlis praqtikuli saxelmZRvanelos `warmatebis gasaRebi~ avtori. gavlili aqvs profesiuli treningebi amerikis, evropisa da aziis qveynebSi. wardgenili iyo centraluri floridis universitetis umaRles jildoze `pegasis ordenze~. san diegos (kalifornia, aSS) sapatio moqalaqea.
Cveni stumari naTia sirabiZe gaxlavT. warmatebuli qalbatoni amJamad `mardi holdingis~ aRmasrulebeli direqtoria.
– praqtikuli saxelmZRvanelo `warmatebis gasaRebi~ sxvebisTvis dawereT. Tqveni warmatebis gasaRebi ra aris?
– vfiqrob, ganwyoba marTavs adamians, ekonomikas, urTierTobas da sxva danarCens. mec var xolme cud xasiaTze, magram vici, ra Semicvlis ganwyobas. es SeiZleba iyos musika, karg adamianebTan urTierToba an SvilTan Caxuteba, Tu Cem gverdiTaa. rac ufro vcdilob pozitiurad mivudge sakiTxebs, miT martivia cxovreba. SeiZleba viRacisTvis ararealisturia, magram arsebobs mizidulobis Teoria, anu rasac miizidav da gauSveb kosmosSi, is dagibrundeba ukan. am principiT vcxovrob, yovelTvis ar gamomdis ise, rogorc minda, magram vcdilob.
– fiqrobT, rom warmatebuli qali xarT?
– erTxel Cemma Svilma, lilem miTxra, ar SeiZleba Cveulebrivi adamiani viyoo? sul veubnebi – deda es gaakeTe, is gaakeTe da warmatebas miaRwev. studentebTan saubarsac amiT viwyeb xolme – visTvis ra aris warmateba. vfiqrob, warmatebuli qali var, Tundac imitom, rom Svili myavs, yvelaze didi bedniereba esaa cxovrebaSi. visac bevri Svili hyavs, yvelaze warmatebuli da bednieria.
– qalbatono naTia, pirveli warmateba rogor da rodis movida Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
– gagecinebaT da pirvel warmatebad vTvli universitetSi Cabarebas. Zlieri da cnobili ojaxis Svili var. im periodSi yvela fiqrobda, rom universitetSi mosaxvedrad fuli unda gadaexadaT. maxsovs, rogori Seuracxmyofeli iyo, rom meubnebodnen, Tqven ramdeni gadaixadeTo. maSinac vfiqrobdi da dResac ar Semicvlia azri, rom inglisurSi qula damakles – 10 mekuTvnoda da 9 damiweres. roca qarTulis Temebs asworebdnen, xvdebodnen, romeli iyo abiturientis dawerili da romeli – gadawerili. batonma mamia faRavam Cems axloblebTan aRniSna, kargi gogoa, mis nawers etyoboda, rogor kargad azrovnebso. davamtkice, rom fulis gareSec SeiZleboda universitetSi Cabareba. mesame kursze memed abaSiZis stipendianti gavxdi. cxovrebaSi mimarTlebs kidec. magram mqonia warumateblobac.
– dRevandeli gadasaxedidan, ras TvliT yvelaze did warmatebad?
– lilea Cemi yvelaze didi warmateba. survili maqvs, bevri Svili myavdes.
– miznis misaRwevad sirTuleebic SegxvdebodaT cxovrebaSi…
– adamiani mizans rom daisaxavs, bolomde unda ibrZolos – me ase viqcevi. amas winaT gamaxsenda, amerikaSi swavla rom mindoda, pirvel jerze, skolis asakSi, ar gamomivida da dedas veubnebodi – ra azri aqvs Cems cxovrebas-meTqi. wlebis Semdeg, magistraturaSi swavlis dafinanseba mesame cdaze movipove. vibrZole da gavimarjve kidec. StatebSi swavlis drosac orjer miTxres uari leqtorobaze, Cvenc ase mivudgebodiT albaT, ratom unda aswavlos qarTvelma amerikels `komunikacia~ anu laparakio. mainc davumtkice, rom me es SemeZlo. erT-erTi saukeTeso leqtori viyavi, jildozec warmadgines. sirTuleebi yovelTvis aris, rac Zalas gmatebs, win waxvide. amave dros mniSvnelovania, vin aris Sen gverdiT. mTeli cxovreba mamaCemi da Cemi Zma gverdiT medgnen, liles mamac yovelTvis magulianebda – Sen SeZleb, Sen gamogiva. ojaxSi Zaladoba mxolod is ki ar aris, rom gcemon, aramed isic, Tu mSoblebi Svilebs, colebi – qmrebs an piriqiT, eubnebnian ar gamogiva, ver SeZleb – ar unda dagakninon da dagTrgunon. esec Zaladobaa. megobrebic bevrs niSnavs, rac ufro guliTadi saaxloblo gyavs, miT ufro aRwev warmatebas.
– qals gazafxuls, marts adareben. Tavad Tu gavxarT weliwadis am dros?
– zodiaqoTi saswori var da Zalian meryevi xasiaTi maqvs (icinis), autanelic ki, magram sakuTari Tavis marTva vici.
– ra ferisaa Tqveni samyaro? meocnebe xarT?
– ocneba CemTvis ufro mizania da vocnebob imaze, risi gakeTebac minda. iRblianic var. roca romelime samsaxurSi Zalian gavbrazebulvar, mifiqria, rom iq gaCereba aRar Rirda da wasvlas gadavwyvetdi. meore dRes eleqtronul fostaze mimiRia Setyobineba, an daurekavT da uTqvamT, rom kargi vakansia gamoCnda. Cemi samyaro iasamnisferia vityodi, magram yviTeli feri Zalian miyvars. mkafio ferebi momwons da ara – neitraluri. gadawyvetilebebSic radikaluri var, urTierTobebSi ki, rom hgoniaT `swerva~, asec araa (icinis). var lmobieric da loialuric.
– rogor fiqrobT, ra SeiZleba iyos bednierebis saidumlo?
– ungrel mecniers aqvs naTqvami – bedniereba procesia da ara is Sedegi, romelsac iReb. yvela samsaxurSi, sadac mimuSavia, iqamde davrCenilvar, sanamdec iq yofna mixaroda. Tumca, pirveli SemTxveva iyo, ganaTlebis saministrodan rom gamomiSves (icinis), sadac muSaobis gagrZelebis survili namdvilad mqonda. es rac Seexeba saqmes. ise ki, rogorc zemoTac vTqvi, SvilTan Caxutebaze didi bedniereba araferia.
– cxovreba mSvenieri rom iyos…
– amisTvis saWiroa xSirad gaviRimoT, kargze vifiqroT. sul SeiZleba ar gixarodes, magram `dionisos RimilSia~, adamians sixarulis gamziarebelic unda gyavdeso. roca raRac mixaria, pirvel rigSi mamas, adre ki bebias vurekavdi. lilesac veubnebi, magram is Tavis samyaroSia.
– aAxal gamowvevebSi, axlis ZiebaSi xarT mudmivad. sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis bordis wevrobis survili rom gaqvT, albaT, esec amis dasturia.
– miyvars, roca Cemi gadawyvetilebebi masebs exeba, bevri adamianisTvis sikeTe momaqvs. erTi kviris win TanamSromelTan vsaubrobdi, rom rac holdingSi gadmovedi, yvelaze metad sazogadoebasTan urTierToba damaklda. meore dRes Cemma megobarma miTxra, vakansiaa da ar ginda scadoo?
– ratom gindaT bordis wevroba?
– maqvs sazogadoebriv mauwyebelSi muSaobis gamocdileba, vici, sad ra problemaa. sadac viqnebi, SevZleb cvlilebebis Setanas, rac ar niSnavs imas, rom xmliT daverevi vinmes. diplomatias da adamianebis darwmunebasac didi mniSvneloba aqvs. praqtikosi var da SemiZlia ideebis SeTavazebac. aRmasrulebel menejments kidev erTi praqtikosi daemateba, romelic ifiqrebs, kidev ra unda gakeTdes mayureblis mosazidad. sazogadoebrivi mauwyebeli sandoobiT unda gamoirCeodes, amaSi ki bevri adamiani unda monawileobdes. gansakuTrebuli yuradReba regionebs unda daeTmos. regionuli biuroebis ufro ganviTarebac kargi iqneba. gadacemebSi SSm pirebi, erovnuli umciresobebi da zogadad, yvela segmenti unda iyos warmodgenili. is niSa, romelic ar ainteresebs sxva televiziebs, SeiZleba sazogadoebrivma mauwyebelma aiTvisos, Tan – Zalian kargad. meti saganmanaTleblo-SemecnebiTi gadacemaa saWiro, romlis naxvis Semdegac, mogindeba axlis keTeba.
– holdingSi rogor grZnobT Tavs, aris es is adgili, is sfero, rac Senia?
– irakli TurmaniZe ideebiT savse adamiania, aq rom movdiodi, vicodi, kreatiuloba da saintereso saqmeebi ar mogvakldeboda, Tumca rom vfiqrobdi, saaTiviT avawyobdi sistemas, rac sxvagan gamikeTebia, ar moxerxda. kerZo seqtorSic yvelaferi martivi ar yofila. ufro meti lavireba gWirdeba rogorc finansuri, ise menejmentis TvalsazrisiT, TanamSromlebTan Tu momxmarebelTan urTierTobaSi. abiturientebs imasac veubnebi xSirad, gaxdiT Jurnalistebi, es iseTi profesiaa, yvelaferi gainteresebs da yvelafris gakeTeba SegiZlia, romel sferoSic ar unda aRmoCndeT, raRacas sainteresos mainc naxavT-meTqi. iq, sadac axla var, momwons, ori biznesideac maqvs.
– daamzadeT mandarinis muraba `naTiasgan~, idea rogor dagebadaT?
– megobari myavs, romelic ufro karierul winsvlazea orientirebuli da miTxra, adre vambobdi, murabebis mxarSveli xom ar viqnebi, axla veRar vambob, Sen rom murabebis xarSva daiwyeo. roca adamiani mexmareba, minda xolme, gansakuTrebulad vuTxra madloba da sakuTari xeliT momzadebul murabas vCuqni.A aqedan wamovida ideac. iseTi murabebi miyvars, rasac yvela ar akeTebs, magaliTad, sazamTros, kaklis muraba. wablis murabis gakeTebac minda. Tan cota gansxvavebuli receptiT vamzadeb, ara iseTs, rogorsac sxvebi, an maRaziebSi rom iyideba. Cems murabebs cota simJave dahkravs da cocxali xilis gemos tovebs. pativiscemis niSnad xSirad miCuqebia Cemi momzadebuli muraba. gamoxmaurebac ki hqonda. saqmiani qalis muraba – ase ambobdnen da ukvirdaT kidec, mekiTxebodnen, Sen moamzadeo? minda stereotipi davarRvio. qarTveli qalebi yovelmxriv niWierebi varT, rogorc karieraSi SegviZlia viyoT warmatebulebi, ise samzareuloSi, – ojaxur saqmeebSi. murabebs saxlSi vakeTeb, mcire porciebiT. qselSi rom CavuSveb, mere sxvagan movxarSav, amisi didi survili maqvs. Tanac mandarinis muraba dieturi yofila…
– garda murabebisa, risi keTeba gexerxebaT samzareuloSi?
– yvelafris. patara viyavi, deda rom gardaicvala. Zmasa da mamaze me vzrunavdi. mama dRemde marto ar sadilobs, xSirad gvstumrobdnen misi megobrebi. mikvirs, 50-kacian sufrebs rogor vSlidi patara gogo… axla cota gazarmacebuli var, magram tolmas vakeTeb Zalian gemriels.
– rogori deda xarT?
– vcdilob, kargi deda viyo. CemTvis mniSvnelovania Cemi Svili iyos bednieri. Tu adamians kargi bavSvoba ar eqneba, am faqtorma SesaZloa SemdgomSi bevri cudi ram ganapirobos. yvelafers vakeTeb liles bednierebisTvis. Tu Svili meubneba, xval ar minda skolaSi wasvla, ar vuSveb. SeiZleba arc miTxras mizezi, magram darwmunebuli var, diskomforti aqvs, raRac iseTi xdeba, rom ver ambobs. Tavnebad vzrdi-meTqi, xSirad vfiqrob, magram minda diskomforts movarido. bavSvisTvis iseTi ramis iZuleba, rac stress miayenebs, sworad ar mimaCnia. axlaxan lilem konkursSi miiRo monawileoba, ese dawera skolaze, rasac araerTgvarovani Sefaseba mohyva. miTxres konkretul sityvebze – ratom Cawerao. Svils cenzuras ar mivaCvev, ar avukrZalav Tavisi azris gamoTqmas. baTumSi ufro adekvaturad miiRes liles ese, vidre – TbilisSi, maT Soris Jurnalistebma, rac gamikvirda. sakonkurso ese iyo, Tineijeris dawerili. Zalian ganicada socialur qselSi gamoqveynebuli komentarebi, romlebidanac ufro meti kargi iyo, magram kritikac hqonda. lile im precedentebze saubrobda, rac aris. Tu dRes ar vityviT, xval ar viciT ra moxdeba. bavSvebi rom mokles, iqneb Tavis droze rom eTqvaT, gadarCeniliyvnen kidec. miuxedavad imisa, rom lilem im konkursSi gaimarjva da prizic miiRo, mkiTxa, Rirda ki amad uaryofiTi ganwyobao. me avuxseni, Rirda imad, rom lile Tineijerebis xma gaxda, erTgvari TavSesafari da azris gamziarebeli. bevri werda piradSi, rom mSoblebi, maswavleblebi bevr rames ar gvijerebeno. bavSvebis gancdebs unda mivaqcioT yuradReba da araa aucilebeli, vaiZuloT aTosnebi iyvnen… roca suicidis faqtebma imata, roca bavSvebi daTrgunulebi arian, mSoblebma maqsimaluri yuradReba unda gamoiCinon, ara mkacri kontroliT da kritikiT, aramed axlo, megobruli urTierTobiT. rasac vnanob, isaa, rom ufro meti drois gatareba SeiZleba lilesTan erTad, ufro meti vicinoT filmebis yurebisas. monitoringsac ki vaxden, ras kiTxulobs da ras uyurebs.
– dedamiwis mamoZravebel Zalaze – siyvarulze ras ityviT?
– minda lilesac ise Seuyvardes, rogorc me miyvarda Tavis droze. adamians mudmivad unda giyvardes, Tu ar giyvars, cxovreba rTulia. dRes isev vfiqrob ojaxis Seqmnaze.
– rogori unda iyos mamakaci, romelic Tqveni gulis mogebas moaxerxebs?
– xSirad ise, rogorc kacebi dedis msgavss, qalebic – mamis msgavss eZeben. CemTvis idealuri kaci mamaCemia, Cemi ufrosi Zma Zalian hgavs mas, patarac daemsgavseba. liles mamac maxasiaTeblebiT iyo misi msgavsi. vfiqrob, mamakaci, garda imisa, rom inteleqtiT unda gamoirCeodes da masTan sasaubro Tema gqondes, unda gizidavdes kidec vizualurad, unda gavsebdes.
– aris dRes aseTi mamakaci Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
– raRac etapze iyo, magram dRes -ara. arian adamianebi, romlebsac Cem gverdiT yofnis survili aqvT, magram arCevani jer ar gamikeTebia. Zalian minda kidev myavdes Svilebi. lile meubneba, iseTi mamakaci SearCie, ufrosi Zma rom myavdeso (icinis).
– SeiZleba banaluri kiTxvaa, magram mainc… raze gwydebaT guli cxovrebaSi da ras SecvlidiT, amis Sansi rom gqondeT?
– cuds Zalian male viviwyeb. megobrebi xSirad meubnebian – Wkuas ver swavlobo. religiac damexmara amaSi, boroti mexsiereba codvaa, gawvalebs adamians. ver getyvi, raRacas ar vnanob-meTqi, magram vfiqrob, yvelaferi ukeTesobisTvis iyo saWiro. zogjer maqvs periodi, daTrgunuli rom var, adamianuri urTierTobebi mtkens guls, magram mainc yvelafers gamarTlebas vuZebni.
– qalebs ras usurvebT?
– Seecadon, SeinarCunon pozitiuri ganwyoba. vusurveb iyvnen mamacebi da bednierebi. rTulia im qalebze isaubro, romlebic Zaladobis msxverplni arian, magram Tu adamians erTxel apatieb gadabrunebul sityvasac ki, meorejerac gaimeorebs. amitomac vurCevdi, moZaladeebs arasodes miscen meore Sansi, daafason sakuTari Tavi da ukeTesi momavali ar daayovnebs.