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ufro da ufro meti axalgazrda miemgzavreba saqarTvelodan msoflios wamyvan universitetebSi. dasavluri ganaTlebis miReba qveynis gadarCenis erTaderTi Sansia, rasac saerTaSoriso sistema Tavad uzrunvelyofs niWieri moswavleebisTvis maRali klasis saswavleblebSi swavlis dafinansebiT.
am bolos mediis gansakuTrebuli yuradRebis centrSi aRmoCnda baTumis kerZo skolis `gimnazia XXI saukune~ meTormeteklaseli daviT jinWaraZe, romelic arabTa gaerTianebuli saemiroebis dedaqalaq abu-dabis amerikul universitetSi, aTi aTasi pretendentidan, 150 Caricxul students Soris moxvda. niu-iorkis universitetma studentebis nakadi abu-dabiSi pirvelad 2010 wels miiRo. daTo jinWaraZe erTaderTia, romelic am universitetSi wels saqarTvelodan Cairicxa milioniani grantiT.
cnobisaTvis: niu-iorkis universiteti aSS-Si erT-erTi udidesi da uZvelesi kvleviTi umaRlesi saswavlo dawesebulebaa. 2010 wlidan misi erT-erTi kampusi abu-dabiSi ganTavsda, mogvianebiT, meore kampusma funqcionireba SanxaiSi daiwyo, xolo 2014 wlis gazafxulze kidev erTi – parizis laTinur kvartalSi ganTavsda.
`universiteti miliardobiT dolars xarjavs, raTa studentebs swavla-ganviTarebisTvis yvela piroba Seuqmnas~, – ambobs baTumeli moswavle da ixsenebs, rogor moxvda msoflios erT-erT saukeTeso ganaTlebis kerad miCneul umaRles saswavlebelSi.
– simarTle giTxraT, amerikidan Camosvlis Semdeg, vfiqrobdi skolis damTavrebas, erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi momzadebas da ukve Semdeg universitetebis Zebnas evropaSi, magram gavicani arasamTavrobo organizacia Education USA, romelsac Tbilissa da baTumSi aqvs ofisebi da usasyidlod exmareba moswavleebs konsultaciebSi. swored iq miTxres, rom gamaCnda karg universitetSi swavlis potenciali da abu-dabis axalgazrda universiteti mirCies, sadac msoflios wamyvani profesorebi muSaoben. iq moxvedris mxolod 3% Sansi mqonda, magram mainc gavriske da ganacxadi Sevitane. Semdeg iyo momzadebis Zalian rTuli periodi, magram minda aRvniSno, rom iqidan aqtiurad mexmarebodnen, detalurad mixsnidnen, ra da rogor unda meswavla. mokled, mudmiv kontaqtSi viyaviT.
– Tqveni azriT, ratom agirCies im 10 aTasidan?
– universitetis politika gansakuTrebulia, radgan did yuradRebas aqceven ara qulebs, aramed pirovnul Tvisebebs, ainteresebT vin xar, raze fiqrob, ra pirovneba xar da Semdeg akeTeben arCevans.
– Tqvens SemTxvevaSi, rogor fiqrobT, riTi dainteresdnen?
– Znelia sakuTar Tavze saubari, magram, vfiqrob, STabeWdilebis moxdena SevZeli im Tvisebebis wyalobiT, rac amerikaSi swavlis dros SeviZine. kerZod, ganaTlebaSi mniSvnelovania ara mxolod cifrebis dazepireba, aramed faqtebis analizi. garda amisa, wels Cems cxovrebaSi mniSvnelovani iyo is, rom `Tavisufal JurnalistTa saxlisa~ da aWaris sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis erTobliv proeqtSic vmonawileobdi, sadac ramdenime siuJeti gavakeTe. moxaliseobriv sawyisebze `jorjia TudeiSic~ davwere ramdenime statia, vaqveynebdi blogebs inglisur enaze saqarTvelosa da msoflios Sesaxeb. swored maSin mivxvdi, rom wera _ Jurnalistika Zalian momwonda. Tu ginda raRac Secvalo Sen garSemo, amisTvis media kargi saSualebaa. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom bavSvobidan saqvelmoqmedo xasiaTis gamofena-gayidvebis organizatori viyavi, qvelmoqmedebas ki afaseben. amasTan, amerikaSi, meriaSi dokumentebTan moxalised muSaobis 200 saaTi davagrove. albaT, yvelaferma erTad dadebiTad imoqmeda Cems imijze da abu-dabiSi (mgzavrobis xarjebic damifinanses) testirebisa da gasaubrebis gavlis Semdeg Camricxes.
– rogorc vici, Tavis droze eqimobisTvis emzadebodiT, axla ra fakulteti airCieT?
– diax, eqimoba mindoda, magram amerikis skolaSi, roca momavali profesiisTvis (gaZleven sagnis SerCevis nebas) istoria da qimia SevarCie, aRmovaCine, rom sabunebismetyvelo sagnebis teqnikuri nawili ar mainteresebda, humanitaruli ki, piriqiT, mitacebda. Tanac iq gaviazre, rom TandaTan ufro da ufro vuRrmavdebodi istoriis, politikis da, saerTod, sazogadoebrivi-samoqalaqo mecnierebebis swavlas. sabolood CemTvis cxadi Seiqna, rom politologiisa da Jurnalistikisken mimiwevda guli. fakultetic saTanado SevarCie: politikuri mecniereba, romelic gulisxmobs saerTaSoriso urTierTobebsac, Jurnalistikasac, diplomatiasa da politologiasac. universitetSi moqmedebs e.w. liberaluri mecnierebis sistema. SegiZlia aiRo saaTebi sxvadasxva fakultetidan, moismino leqciebi da ar SeizRudo erTi konkretuli profesiiT.
– Cvens gazeTSi araerTxel dabeWdila statia Tqveni, rogorc mxatvris, warmatebebis Sesaxeb. isev xatavT Tu…
– ukve ise xSirad veRar vaxerxeb. stilic Sevcvale – siurealisturi varCie, aRar mitacebs religiuri Temebi.
– amerikaze visaubroT. romeli programiT moxvdiT iq saswavleblad?
– gacvliTi programiT baTumidan 5, saqarTvelodan – 80 moswavle SegvarCies da me kaliforniis skolis me-11 klasSi viswavle.
– ra mogewonaT da ra ara amerikul sociumSi?
– momewona maTi pasuxismgeblianoba, punqtualoba da uaRresi Tavazianoba. ar momewona pirovnuli dapirispirebebi arCevnebis periodSi da saxelmwifos mimarT undoblobis gamoxatva xmebis dacvisas. xSirad iCenen iniciativebs am mxriv, rasac mohyveba xolme agresia da adamianTa msxverpli. warmoidgineT, skolis maswavleblebs hqondaT ufleba, sertificirebis SemTxvevaSi, skolaSi iaraRi etarebinaT. piradad me, mesmis, rom yvelaferi saxelmwifos ar unda ando da Seni moqalaqeobrivi poziciebic daicva, magram gaugebaria, maswavlebelma ratom unda ataros iaraRi skolaSi. aseve, ar SeiZleba ar SeamCnioT gansxvavebuli damokidebuleba religiebs Soris. patara qalaqebSi SeiZleba ar iyos kinoTeatri, sagamofeno darbazi, magram funqcionirebdes 24 eklesia. skolebSi gamosaSveb ceremonias iwyeben qristianuli locviT, arada amerikul konstituciaSi ar aris dakonkretebuli, romeli religiis locvaa daSvebuli am dros.
– gindaT TqvaT, rom amerikelebisTvis ucxoa tolerantoba?
– asakovanTa Soris arian taqtianebi religiasTan mimarTebaSi, ician gansxvavebac da Semwynareblobac, magram axalgazrdebi Zalian negatiurad aRiqvamen muslimanebs, rasac daufaravad gamoxataven da, saerTod, miaCniaT, rom amerika zesaxelmwifoa da sul ar ainteresebT, ra xdeba danarCen msoflioSi. maTTvis damaxasiaTebelia viwro specializacia. farTo ganaTlebisTvis ar xarjaven arc dros, arc energias.
– romeli mwerali giyvarT gansakuTrebiT?
– rTulia gamovarCio, radgan bevri avtoria, romelTa kiTxvac msiamovnebs. axla iraneli mwerlis marjan satrapis `persepolisma~ gamitaca. qarTveli mwerlebidan javaxiSvili da gamsaxurdia miyvars, gansakuTrebiT ki javaxiSvilis `jayos xiznebi~, romelic dResac aqtualuria. mxolod am wigniT, romelic lamis 100 wlis win daiwera, qarTvelTa mentaliteti orjer ufro metad unda ganviTarebuliyo, magram xalxi detalebis damaxsovrebaze ufroa orientirebuli, vidre dedaarsis wvdoma-gaanalizebaze. idealebs gamokidebul Teimurazis cols moZalade uyvardeba, rodesac xvdeba, rac daemarTa, mdgomareobis gamosworebaze zrunva ukve gviania. swored ase daemarTa Cvens qveyanas. kargad viciT, romeli moZaladis bralia Cveni aseTi duxWiri yofa, isic viciT, rom Tavad Cven varT damnaSave yvelaferSi, radgan cixe Signidan tydeba, Tumca vera da ver mivediT iqamde, rom yvelafers Tavisi saxeli vuwodoT. jer kidev ar aris gviani, azrze movideT da qveyana gadavarCinoT. rac Seexeba mxatvrebs – van gogi momwons, leonardo da vinCi… qarTvelebSi ki elene axvlediani, romelmac Tavis namuSevrebSi gadmosca Tbilisuri, qalaquri, qarTuli suli, energia. miyvars, rodesac qarTul fenomens sworad gadmoscemen da ukvdavyofen.
– ramdenad mniSvnelovnad migaCniaT diplomatis profesia qveynisTvis?
– Zalian mniSvnelovania, miT umetes, Tuki qveyanas ar gaaCnia samxedro wona an zogadad msoflio asparezze iseTi pozicia ar uWiravs, rogoric mowinave saxelmwifoebs. misi gadarCenisa da teritoriuli mTlianobis SesanarCuneblad uaRresad mniSvnelovania mkacri diplomatia, radgan erT mSvenier dRes, SesaZloa, aRar gaxdes saqarTvelos sakiTxi aqtualuri msofliosTvis, rac qveyanaze cudad aisaxeba. amitomaa saWiro qarTul diplomatiaSi niWieri, mcodne, patrioti axalgazrdebis misvla, swored imaTi dasaqmeba am sferoSi, visac guli Sestkiva samSobloze.
– ramdenadaa daculi adamianis uflebebi saqarTveloSi?
– Zalian Znelia ilaparako am kuTxiT qveyanaze, sadac itaceben adamianebs. gaixseneT pankisi. iqauri movlenebi Zalian cudad aisaxeba qveynis imijze, aRarafers vambob umuSevrobasa da saSualo fenis SeWirvebul finansur mdgomareobaze.
– saswavleblad midixar muslimanur saxelmwifoSi, ramdenad xar mzad amisTvis, religiuri SezRudvebi xom ar imoqmedebs Senze?
– sxvaTa Soris, arabeTSi aravin gaxvevs Tavs religias. ucxoelebisgan (qalisganac da kacisganac) iTxoven muxli daifaron, rac ar aris rTuli. iq funqcionirebs mniSvnelovani finansuri instituciebi, mravali kompaniisa da multinacionaluri korporaciis saTavo ofisebi. rogorc navTobis erT-erTma udidesma mwarmoebelma msoflioSi, bolo dros aqtiurad daiwyo ekonomikis diversificireba finansur seqtorsa da turizmSi investirebis gziT. abu-dabiSi ganTavsebulia mniSvnelovani dawesebulebebi da federaluri mTavroba. sxvaTa Soris, qalaqi, Semosavlebis zrdasTan erTad kosmopolitur megapolisad iqca… mokled, yvelas hgonia, rom abu-dabiSi mosaxleoba arabul samosSia gamowyobili da iq adamians ver daelaparakebi, arada, sul sxva situaciaa. qveyana jer axalgazrdaa, mosaxleobis 80% evropidan, aziidan da amerikidanaa. SegiZlia Ramis sam saaTze quCaSi martom iaro. SariaTis kanonebi mkacria da ar qurdoben. Tuki raimes moiparav, mTeli cxovreba inaneb. TiTqmis yvela inglisurad laparakobs, magram kargia, Tu arabulad ramdenime frazas mainc iswavli dasawyisisTvis, rasac vapireb kidec.
– bevri niWieri adamiani miemgzavreba saqarTvelodan da ukan aRar brundeba. Sen ras apireb?
– me ganacxadis aplikaciaSic mivuTiTe, rom arsad vapireb darCenas. Tu Cems qveyanas ar gamovadeqi, sxvas ra unda vargo? am universitetSi qarTvelebi iSviaTad swavloben, magram vinc aris, sakmaod did warmatebebs aRwevs. zogierTi warmoSobiTaa qarTveli, romelic Semdeg sxva qveynis saxeliT realizdeba. erT qarTvels sakuTari gverdic aqvs gaxsnili vikipediaze, sadac uweria, rom cnobili rusi dizaineria. dameTanxmeT, ar aris sasiamovno okupantis saxeliT saxelis moxveWa. me saqarTvelosTvis minda viRvawo da vTvli, rom es aris bunebrivi arCevani.
– rac Seexeba finansebs, rogorc gaJRerda, milioniani granti miiReT saswavleblad…
– diax, miviRe milioni lari da ara dolari, rogorc daweres. finansuri resursi marTlac didia. weliwadSi 80 aTasi dolari mxolod erT studentze ixarjeba. amas emateba mogzaurobis xarjebi, cxovreba, kveba – saerTo jamSi, universitetSi miliardobiT dolaria Cadebuli, rasac arabTa gaerTianebuli saemiro im pirobiT afinansebs, rom studentebis 15% saemirodan unda iyos, amerikas ki gaaCnia globaluri xedva da yvela iziarebs imas, rom Tuki raRacis ukeTesobisken Secvla gsurs, pi warmatebebs gisurvebTrvel rigSi, ganaTlebis ganviTarebaa saWiro.
– warmatebebs gisurvebT!
