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farTomasStabiani antisamTavrobo aqciebis Semdeg, somxeTis premier-ministri serJ sargsiani gadadga. `nikol paSiniani marTali iyo, me vcdebodi~, – es sityvebi Tavad eqspremiers ekuTvnis, romlis winaaRmdeg dawyebuli saprotesto aqciebis saTaveSi swored nikol paSiniani idga da xalxs ramdenime dRis ganmavlobaSi sayovelTao daumorCileblobisaken mouwodebda. `xaverdovani revolucia” – ase uwodes somxeTSi ganviTarebul movlenebs, romelic `aWarasTan~ politologma aslan lorTqifaniZem Seajama. man interviu serJ sargsianis moRvaweobis ganvlil periodze saubriT daiwyo.
– eqsprezident robert koCarianis `memkvidre~ da mTavrobis wevri serJ sargsiani 2008-2018 wlebSi ikavebda somxeTis prezidentis posts. sargsianma 2016 wels ganaxorciela sakonstitucio cvlilebebi, romelmac somxeTSi saprezidento mmarTveloba saparlamento modeliT Secvala. somxuri da saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis umravlesobas hqonda eWvi, rom vinaidan sargsians aRar SeeZlo mesame vadiT gamxdariyo prezidenti, saakaSvilis msgavsad, cdilobda premier-ministris postze gadajdomas anu sakonstitucio cvlilebebi ganpirobebuli iyo misi piradi interesiT. es eWvebi gamarTlda mas Semdeg, rac serJ sargsianma saparlamento umravlesobas 2 marts prezidentad Tanagundeli armen sarqisiani aarCevina, xolo 17 aprils TviTon gaxda premier-ministri. 13 aprils parlamentSi mis premier-ministrad wardgenas somxeTSi masobrivi saprotesto aqciebi mohyva, romelsac saTaveSi Caudga saparlamento opoziciuri partiis `samoqalaqo SeTanxmebis~ 42 wlis lideri nikol paSiniani. man `xaverdovani revolucia~ daaanonsa da miaRwia premier sargsianis gadayenebas. serJ sargsianis 10-wliani mmarTvelobis dros somxeTSi SenarCunda korufciis maRali done da mZime socialuri mdgomareoba. mis mier gatarebuli reformebi didwilad fasadur xasiaTs atarebda da faqtobrivad qveyana avtoritarul mmarTvelobas ganicdida. serJ sargsianis reputacias mZime dartyma miayena azerbaijanTan 2016 wlis 2-5 aprilis samxedro operaciam, romlis Sedegadac somxeTma mTiani yarabaxis nawili dakarga.
– batono aslan, rogor SeafasebT somxeTSi ganviTarebul movlenebs – serJ sargsianis gadadgomas? Tavad miiRo Tu garkveulma Zalebma miaRebines gadawyvetileba?
– iZulebuli gaxda gadamdgariyo mas Semdeg, rac qveyana masobrivma, mSvidobianma saprotesto talRam moicva, romelSic monawileoba samxedroebmac ki miiRes. Tanamdebobis datoveba mxolod am faqtiT iyo nakarnaxevi. somxeTs 20 welze metia marTavs gundi, romelmac ver SeZlo qveynis winaSe arsebuli problemebis mogvareba, amasTan, qveynis xelisufleba didi xania saWiroebs srul ganaxlebas. es protesti didi xnis ganmavlobaSi grovdeboda da raxan arCevnebis gziT ver xerxdeboda xelisuflebis cvlileba, am procesma quCaSi gadainacvla. miuxedavad imisa, rom opoziciam premieris gadayeneba SeZlo, es ar niSnavs somxeTSi xelisuflebis cvlilebas, radgan sakanonmdeblo organoSi mmarTveli `respublikuri partia~ umravlesobas inarCunebs. Tu vadamdeli arCevnebi Catardeba, didi mniSvneloba eqneba imas, vin Caatarebs arCevnebs: moqmedi xelisufleba Tu aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi revoluciis gziT mosuli an moqmedi saparlamento umravlesobis mier arCeuli paSiniani.
– `xaverdovani revoluciis~ Semdeg rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi somxeTSi?
– serJ sargsianis `respublikuri partia~ partniori partiis – `ayvavebuli somxeTis~ mier Seqmnil saarCevno blokTan erTad, romelsac biznesmeni gagik carukiani xelmZRvanelobs, somxeTis warmomadgenlobiT organoSi 89 mandats, anu sakonstitucio umravlesobas flobs. 2017 wlis 2 aprilis saparlamento arCevnebi bolomde demokratiulad ar Catarebula da is ver asaxavs somxeTis eleqtoratis ganwyobebs. somxeTis parlamentis yvela mandati proporciuli saarCevno sistemiT moipoveba partiebis mier 5%-iani (koaliciebisaTvis ki 7%-iani) barieris gadalaxvis SemTxvevaSi. 2 aprilis arCevnebSi barieris gadalaxva prodasavlurma koaliciam – `ielqma~ da partia `daSnak cutunma~ SeZles, Tumca isini 105-wevrian parlamentSi – erovnul saTaTbiroSi mxolod 16 mandats floben. `xaverdovani revoluciis~ lideri fraqcia `ielqis~ xelmZRvanelia. mmarTvel `respublikur partias~ saxelisuflebo koaliciis meore partiis dauxmarebladac SeuZlia somxeTis premier-ministris postze sakuTari kandidati airCios. somxeTSi politikuri procesebis ganviTarebis 3 SesaZlebloba arsebobs: 1. mmarTvelma partiam Zalaufleba SeinarCunos da serJ sargsianis nacvlad sxva kandidati airCios premier-ministrad. am SemTxvevaSi SesaZloa serJ sargsianma SeinarCunos mmarTveli partiis xelmZRvanelis posti da qveynis araformaluri mmarTveli gaxdes; 2. daiSalos saparlamento umravlesoba da man airCios mSvidobiani revoluciis lideri – nikol paSiniani premier-ministrad, romelic parlamentis daTxovnas da vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebis Catarebas Seecdeba; 3. mmarTvelma gundma masobrivi saprotesto aqciebis zewoliT gamoacxados vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebi. am SemTxvevaSi vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebi Catardeba moqmedi xelisuflebis pirobebSi. moqmedi premier-ministris movaleobis Semsrulebeli da vice-premieri karen karapetiani serJ sargsianis favoritia. man ukve mimarTa somxeTis prezidents vadamdeli arCevnebis Catarebis winadadebiT, rasac paSiniani ewinaaRmdegeba da am arCevnebis CaSliT imuqreba. savaraudod, paSiniani SeZlebs `xaverdovani revoluciiT~ somxeTis premier-ministris Tanamdebobis dakavebas. momitingeebs ukve moqmedi mTavrobis wevrebic uerTdebian da, ara mgonia, mmarTvelma gundma revoluciuri procesebis SeCereba SeZlos.
– `xaverdovan revoluciaSi~ ucxoeTidan Careva ar yofila~ – acxadebs saprotesto aqciebis lideri nikol paSiniani. ramdenad Seesabameba realobas misi es gancxadeba?
– gancxadeba realuri unda iyos, radgan somxeTze ruseTis gavlena imdenad didia, rom vinc ar unda gaxdes somxeTis respublikis xelmZRvaneli, is ver moaxerxebs am gavlenidan gamosvlas. amitom am procesSi ruseTs Carevis interesi ar aqvs. mas ar surs somxuri sazogadoebis romelime nawili gaanawyenos. dasavleTisTvis ki paSinianis gapremiereba cotaTi ufro momgebiania, vidre sargsianis mier Zalauflebis SenarCuneba, Tumca arc dasavleTis interesebSi Sedis somxeTis Sida saqmeebSi Careva, radgan misi gavlena oficialur erevanze isedac nominalur xasiaTs atarebs.
– rogori iqneba `revoluciis~ Semdeg somxeTis sagareo kursi?
– TiTqmis ucvleli. somxeTSi ganviTarebuli procesebi ufro Sida faqtorebiTaa nakarnaxevi da is naklebad exeba qveynis sagareo politikas. paSinianis gapremierebis SemTxvevaSi is ruseTis TanxmobiT gaagrZelebs evrokavSirTan molaparakebebs `asocirebis xelSekrulebis~ xelmowerasTan dakavSirebiT, raTa am mimarTulebiTac miiRos somxeTma ekonomikuri dividendebi. jer kidev serJ sargsiani eubneboda ruseTs – an marCine an momeci saSualeba dasavleTidanac miviRo ekonomikuri dividendebi, raTa davZlio mZime socialuri foni qveyanaSio. ase rom, raime radikalur cvlilebas somxeTis sagareo politikaSi ar unda velodoT. is gaagrZelebs diversificirebul sagareo politikas rusuli veqtoris dominirebis pirobebSi.
– rogor fiqrobT, ra pozicia eqneba putinis ruseTs, Tu somxeTSi demokratiuli mmarTveloba daiwyeba?
– putinis ruseTs da sxva did moTamaSeebsac naklebad ainteresebT ama Tu im qveyanaSi demokratiis xarisxi. msoflios mTavari geopolitikuri moTamaSeebis interesebSia is, Tu ramdenad ikmayofileben ama Tu im qveyanaSi TavianT geopolitikur interesebs. somxeTSi, miuxedavad problemebisa, demokratiis xarisxi izrdeba da es procesi momavalSic gagrZeldeba.
