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axlaxan `baTumuri platforma~ Seiqmna, romelsac saTaveSi publicisti daviT CxartiSvili uflebadamcvel merab bladaZesTan erTad Caudga.
organizacia periodulad ikribeba da qalaqis saWirboroto sakiTxebis gadawyvetis mizniT Setyobinebebs adresatebs ugzavnis, romlebsac ama Tu im problemis gadaWra xelewifebaT
`baTumuri platformis~ wevrebi fiqroben, rom `aWara ukeTesis Rirsia~. ra moiazreba am frazaSi da ratom gaCnda `baTumuri platformis~ Seqmnis aucilebloba, amaze daviT CxartiSvilTan interviudan SeityobT.
– ratom gadawyviteT organizaciis Seqmna da vin arian gundSi?
– ufro marTebuli iqneba, ara organizacia da arasamTavrobo, aramed samoqalaqo iniciativa an klubi vuwodoT, miT ufro, arc registraciaSi gagvitarebia da arc samomavlod vapirebT, radganac ara granti an sxva tipis merkantiluri dividendi, aramed samoqalaqo kultura da Cveni warmodgena baTumis momavalze gvamoZravebs. Semadgenloba ki sakmaod Wreli da, amavdroulad, erTgvarovanicaa. erTgvarovani im gagebiT, rom CvenTan erTiandebian, pirobiTad rom vTqvaT, erTgvari kodeqsis irgvliv, romelic ucvleli rCeba kargi baTumelebisTvis nebismieri mTavrobis pirobebSi da, amave dros, Wrelic, radganac aq yvelas sakuTari, sakmaod rTuli da saintereso warsuli gaaCnia. mxolod ramdenime gvari iqneba sakmarisi, rom mixvdeT, ra tipis ZalasTan gaqvT saqme – merab bladaZe, goCa gugunava, irakli iremaZe, baCuki CxeiZe, vaxtang Rlonti, irakli centeraZe, valerian mebuniSvili da bevri sxva kargi moqalaqe. Tematuri ganxilvebidan gamomdinare ki icvleba raodenoba da Semadgenlobac. Cveni mizani Semdegia: iqneba am formatSi es konfesiaTaSorisi dialogi, xazinis qurdobis prevencia, nepotizmis aRmofxvra, narkomania, neoosmanur ZalebTan brZola Tu sxva mtkivneuli Temebis aqtualizaciis saWiroeba, mzad varT yovelgvari tabuirebis gareSe, saukeTeso baTumur tradiciebSi ganvixiloT da adresatamde mivitanoT nebismieri saWirboroto sakiTxi, `aWara ukeTesis Rirsias~ kampaniis farglebSi da es ukve amocanaa!
– saubrobT nepotizmze, romelic, Tqvenive gancxadebiT, ara mxolod dRevandel xelisuflebaSi yvavis, aramed saTaves ufro adridan iRebs…
– Tuki resursebiT mdidar da perspeqtiul iseT regionSi, rogoric aWaraa, ekonomikuri siduxWirea, ar aris ganviTarebis da konkurentunariani garemos Seqmnis imedi, es gana marTvis, nepotizmze damyarebuli sakadro politikis, aragonivrulad gacxadebuli prioritetebis brali araa? saTaves es mdgomareoba, ra Tqma unda, wlebis win iRebs; yvelam mSvenivrad viciT, Tu ras warmoadgenda wina da imis wina xelisuflebac – yvela doneze, sakvanZo Tanamdebobebis umetesobaze nepotizmi yvaoda, ignorirebuli iyo profesionalizmi da damsaxureba. finansuri interesi, laqioba da gaiZveroba iyo yvela drois aWaris samTavrobo wreebis xelwera da erTaderTi kriteriumi karieruli winsvlisa. is xalxi arsad wasula, Zalze komfortulad gadmobargdnen axal mTavrobaSi. dausviT Tavs kiTxva, Tu ratom dominirebs dResac yvelaferi is, rasac ebrZoda wesieri moqalaqe abaSiZis, varSalomiZis Tu xabaZis periodSi? moxda ki sistemuri cvlilebebi? ara, magram me Sors var imisgan, rom yvelaferi muq ferebSi davinaxo. calkeuli garRveva aris pataraZis mTavrobaSic, magram amiT fons ver gaxval. Tu droze ar moxerxda aseTi xalxis sakvanZo Tanamdebobebze ganlageba, rom maTac mere qveda rgolebSi Sesabamisi suliskveTebis da cenzis kadrebis daniSvna moaxerxon, is ruxi medroveTa masa, romelic rudimentad mohyveba yvela mTavrobas, gaakeTebs igives, rac moaxerxa abaSiZis, varSalomiZis da xabaZis periodSi, anu, ubralod, Caylapavs am calkeul naTel wertils da mere, pirvelive ryevis dros, iseTive SemarTebiT, rogorc axla, gadabargdeba axal mTavrobaSi. Aarada, SegaxsenebT, rogori aRtacebiT Sexvda aWara 2012 wlis 1 oqtombris cvlilebebs, principSi, iseve rogorc 2004-isas. Tumca maSinve iyo naTeli, rom win rTuli dReebi gveloda aWaris da kerZod, baTumis mosaxleobas im mizeziT, rom is arCevnebi aramc da aramc ar gamoxatavda qalaqis nebas, ideologiuri Wrilis safuZvelSive daSvebuli gadacdomebisa da lamis forsmaJoruli, situaciuri gaerTianebis gamo. es iyo wmida wylis `antimiSisturi~ xmis micema. Sesabamisad, korporaciuli interesis ararsebobis pirobebSi `ocnebis~ Zala gaifanta koaliciaSi Semavali partiuli interesebis da klanebis gasaZliereblad, rac myisve aisaxa qmediTuunarobaze, partiis mimarT ndobasa da katastroful regionalur sakadro politikazec, sadac murmanistebi, xabaZistebi, alasanias jgufi da `respublikelebi~ iyofdnen sxvis nanadirevs. roca arsaidan mosulma da saeWvo warsulisa Tu midrekilebebis xalxma daikava sakvanZo adgilebi ivaniSvilis avtoritetis wyalobiT, kacis, romelsac saboloo jamSi, dabralda yvela is umsgavsoba, rac misi saxelis ukan amofarebulma gundebma ikadres aWaraSi. winamorbedebma, rogorc xedav, faqtobrivad, avgias Tavla daaxvedres ukve pataraZes, romelsac ver aRmoaCnda saTanado unari, droze gaewminda mTavroba am xalxisgan, droTa ganmavlobaSi, rogorc Cans, manamde Seqmnili konfiguraciis mZevladac ki iqca. mokled, im momentidan Camoyalibebuli mocemulobis wyalobiT vimkiT dReis arasaxarbielo mdgomareobasac.
– da gamosavals raSi xedavT?
– Zvel romSi moqalaqes, romelic sapasuxismgeblo Tanamdebobaze iniSneboda, amomrCevlisTvis unda eCvenebina is iarebi, romelic miiRo xalxis gamo gamarTul brZolebSi. ra Tqma unda, ar moviTxov garegnulad msgavsi proceduris aRorZinebas, magram Sinaarsobrivad msgavsi ritualis damkvidrebas – ki. aseTi moqalaqeebi unda iyvnen iq imaT nacvlad, vinc rig adgilebze gaiZverobiT da biZaSvil-mamidaSvilobiT mokalaTda. saWiroa iseTi adamianebi, romlebsac icnobs aWara da baTumi da icis, rogor moiqcevian isini kritikul situaciaSi da ara `katebi tomaraSi~, xalxi, vinc Tavisi cxovrebis stiliT da midrekilebebiT daumtkica aWaris sazogadoebas, rom sazogadoebrivi da ara koniunqturuli Tu merkantiluri interesebi maTTvis upirvelesia. isini, es kategoria, unda idges saTaveebTan da aq ukve ivaniSvilis gamoCenac maimedebs, aseve, aqauri `qarTuli ocnebis~ saTaveSic axali da wesieri xalxis mosvlis perspeqtiva, romlebsac ar aqvT kavSiri arc murmanis da arc xabaZis klanTan, arc portirebulni da arc feik-politpatimrebi arian, arc pataraZesTan CaxutebaSi SemCneulebi da am dros farTo Tvalsawieri, sufTa da samoqalaqo aqtivobebiT savse warsuli aqvT.
– `baTumur platformas~ qalaqis axali meri da misi politika moswons, rasac ver vityviT mis winamorbedze. riT moawona sainiciativo jgufs komaxiZem Tavi da ra mesijebi gaugzavna `baTumurma platformam~ qalaqis axal Tavkacs? da kidev, batono daviT, is, rac TqvenTvis da sazogadoebis erTi nawilisTvis miuRebelia – azartuli TamaSebi, narkotiki, uzneoba da sxva, meore nawilisTvis evropuli Rirebulebebi da turizmis ganviTarebaa. oqros Sualedis gamonaxva SesaZlebelia?
– 2013 wlis 26 maiss (`qarTuli ocneba~ ukve weliwadia, rac xelisuflebaSia), Cemi iniciativiT da meriis organizebiT, Tavisuflebis moedanze, qalaqis yvela ZiriTadi partiis, profesiuli gaerTianebis da umaRlesi saswavleblis warmomadgenlebi, qalaqis referentuli jgufis araformaluri lideri awers xels `baTumur qartias~ ilias ZeglTan. risi Tqma mindoda maSin qartiiT qalaqisTvis – evropuli (Sesabamisad zogadsakacobrio) faseulobebis implementacia ar aris damokidebuli qveynis veqtorze, arc koniunqturaze, ama Tu im Zalis dominirebaze warmomadgenlobiT organoSi, ama Tu im qveynis gavlenaze Cvens qveyanaze, rogorc mavanni gvaswavlian. mxolod universaluri faseulobebi, saRi azri, Zveli janmrTeli da axali formebis damkvidreba, inovaciebsa da ganaTlebaze fsonis dadeba gardaqmnis baTums evropul qalaqad. Aai, ra aZlevs sinamdvileSi kulturas da ganaSenianebas biZgs, ai, ra vTqviT da raze SevTanxmdiT baTumelebi. sxva danarCeni spekulaciebia da grantebis mozidvis saSualeba im fondisgan, romelic, rig evropul qveyanaSi an akrZalulia, an mis saqmianobaze SezRudvebis daweseba iwyeba. anu iyo mcdeloba Seqmniliyo im viwro jgufis sapirwone, romelmac wlebia aiRo Tavze pasuxismgebloba Cvens qalaqSi e.w. samoqalaqo sazogadoebis mSeneblobasa da evropuli standartebis damkvidrebaze da dResac gvkarnaxobs baTumelebs, Tu raa evropuli standarti da xSir SemTxvevaSi, Tavad evropuli ideis diskreditaciisa da morigi grantis miRebis garda, araferi gamosdis; saubaria im aTeul arasamTavrobo organizaciaze, romlis sinekurad iTvleba nebismieri samoqalaqo aqtivoba, visTvisac Riaa nebismieri televizia, Riaa mrCevelTa sabWoebi da sakonkurso komisiebi Cvens qalaqSi. es datreningebuli wre, da ara ganaTlebuli, patrioti profesionalebi iqcnen `kadrebis samWedlod~ aWaris yvela samTavrobo struqturisTvis da, zogadad, qveyanaSic. metic, maTi sacecebi imdenad Rrmadaa gasuli, rom nebismieri mTavroba Tu samTavrobo iniciativa iZulebulia gauwios angariSi am Zalas, qveynis da qalaqis interesebis sazianodac ki, roca ganze rCeba qalaqis uamravi sapatio moqalaqe, aWaris damsaxurebuli muSakebi, Cveni kuTxis moraluri avtoritetebi. Cven, baTumelebma, maSinve, aqciis msvlelobisas davafiqsireT, rom sqema, romelic baTumSi moqmedebs, miuRebelia Cveni qalaqisTvis, demokratiis damaxinjebuli variantia da darRveva `adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis evropuli qartiisa~, romelic im dRidanve unda ganxorcielebuliyo baTumis masStabiT, mTeli qalaqis resursis gamoyenebiT. Tumca, rogorc xdeba xolme Cvens qveyanaSi, im aqciis Semdeg myisve, qalaqis mesveurad mogvevlina SemTxveviTi pirovneba, romelic ucxo iyo ara mxolod baTumisTvis, aramed misi warmdgeni ZalisTvisac – `qarTuli ocnebisTvis~ da Tu ra iyo maSin `qarTuli ocneba~ aWaraSi da rogor `irtyamda~ xalxi Tanamdebobebs, poliSinelis saidumloa. mokled, `dainiSna~ vinme ermakovi, romelmac baTums mxolod `budkebis~ dadgmiT daamaxsovra Tavi. man, Tavis mxriv, gverdiT daiyena is xalxi, vinc, jer erTi, saakaSvili-varSalomiZisadmi monuri morCilebiTa da xedvebis erTobiT daamaxsovra baTumelebs Tavi, meore ki, Tavisi sanaTesao-samegobro daasaqma ukve viTomda `qarTuli ocnebis~ mandatiT. am xalxisTvis metad ucxo aRmoCnda `qarTuli ocnebis~ idealebic da, Sesabamisad, `baTumuri qartiis~ mesijebic, da es yvela mimarTulebiT – kultura, socialuri sfero da infrastruqtura gadaiqca am kacis gundis saZovrad. Rimilis momgvrelia, rom dRes is xalxi cdilobs maqsimalur distancirebas ermakovisgan da misi vice merebisgan. gana mxolod ermakovzea saqme? merebSi saerTod ar gvimarTlebda – maTi daniSvnis erTaderTi kriteriumi bolo 20 welia, avtonomiis xelmZRvanelis mimarT upirobo morCileba gaxldaT da metic, rom dazRveuli yofiliyo avtonomiis xelmZRvaneli meris urCobisgan, kastingSi merebis kandidaturis pirovnuli sawyisis sruli nivelireba iyo Cadebuli pirobad, am standartsac Seesabameboda ermakovi. iqamde ki, saakaSvilis xelisuflebis dros, faqtobrivad, am Cveni regionis mcocavi secesiis ideologis da finaCi xelosnis xelSi, aWaris dedaqalaqi arsebobda rogorc Turquli vilaieTis danamati, rogorc samezoblos yvelaze Tamami qvena fantaziebis ganxorcielebis adgili. qalaqi, romelic odes savse iyo sasicocxlo resursebiT, mezRvaurebis da menavTobeebis qalaqi, qalaqi-navsadguri, qalaqi-universiteti, anu yvelaferi is, rac gamoarCevda baTums sxva tipuri qalaqebisgan, daikarga swored rom mis dros – iqca kiCad, Sapitod. brmebis da yruebis xelSi baTumi gaxda `potiomkinis sofeli~, romlis mTavar maxasiaTeblad iqca fsevdodemokratiuli faseulobebi, prostitucia da trefikingi, saTamaSo biznesi. ra Tqma unda, es aRaraa Cveni bavSvobis baTumi, is gamoiyureba kidec rogorc Turquli provinciis tipuri qalaqi, ris gamgrZeleblad mogvevlina ukve `qarTuli ocnebis~ mandatiT mosuli maSindeli dajgufeba. aRar arsebobs baTumSi arc navTobgadamamuSavebeli mrewveloba, arc manqanaTmSenebeli, arc gemTmSenebeli, arc Cais gadamamuSavebeli da arc eleqtroteqnikuri mrewveloba, mxolod ramdenime moduri sastumro Zvelis adgilas da isic Turqebis sakuTreba. es, Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas, im ugunuri midgomebis da baTumis ganviTarebis strategiuli gegmis arqonis Sedegia da wlebia anadgurebs baTums, Tumca mavani amas progresad naTlavda, me `ermakovSinas~ vuwodeb! rac Seexeba axal mers, ukve xvdebiT – rac daxvda, rasac adekvaturi reaqcia mohyva kidec: laSa komaxiZis pirvelive nabiji iyo im mankieri wris garRvevis mcdeloba, rac winamorbedma daaxvedra – man pirvelad baTumis istoriaSi dado qalaqis ganviTarebis strategiuli gegma, rac, ra Tqma unda, maimedebs, rom ermakovis Secdomebi da danaSaulebi ar ganmeordeba. Tumca im katastrofuli situaciis gaTvaliswinebiT, rac daxvda qalaqis municipalitetSi, es rodia sakmarisi. dakargulia imdenad bevri dro rom aRar gvaqvs fufuneba komaxiZemde arsebul reJimSi gagrZeldes muSaoba da Seyovneba didi riskis Semcvelia. igi ganaTlebuli da kulturuli baTumelia da ar SeiZleba igive azri ar gauCndes meriaSi daxvedril mdgomarebaze, dasaSvebia isic, rom angariSs uwevs sxvadasxva Zalas da balansis dacvas Seecdeba. aAseve cdilobs sistemuri cvlilebebis gatarebas, rac, saerTod, nou-haua baTumis municipalitetisTvis, Tumca Tu saswrafod ar moxdeba meriis mier wina wlebis ganmavlobaSi daSvebuli Secdomebis da miCqmaluli danaSaulebis keTilsindisieri da sajaro inventarizacia, ra Tqma unda, avis momtani iqneba mTlianad qalaqisTvis da cudi – misi imijisTvis. arada Zalian bevri piri, jgufi Tu Zala mis irgvliv dainteresebulia status-kvos SenarCunebiT da imiT, rom es ar moxdes misi merobis periodSi.
– dabolos, Tu saidumlo araa Semdegi brifingis Tema ra iqneba?
– madloba am kiTxvisTvis, erTgvari anonsic gamogviva. ra Tqma unda, ar SegviZlia gverdi avuaroT iseT Temas, rogoricaa meCeTis mSenebloba. magram jer visargebleb SemTxveviT da winaswar mivulocav muslim Tanamemuleebs ramazanis dResaswauls. meore ki davudastureb pativiscemas islamis mimdevrebs da aRvniSnav, rom bevrad meti gvakavSirebs qarTvel muslimebsa da qristianebs, vidre gvaSorebs. wm. avgustines ar iyos: `adamianebis mier agebuli jebirebi zecamde ver aRwevs~, Tavi rom davaneboT sisxlis yivilsa da moyvrobas, Tumca ar SemiZlia ar aRvniSno is, rom aris mcdeloba araSenebuli Senobis ara samufTosTvis, aramed gaurkveveli jgufebisTvis daqvemdebarebisa mezobel saxelmwifoSi, Tu pirdapir Turqul `miTze~ ara. dasafiqrebelia miT ufro, rom sami wlis Semdeg zustad 100 weli usruldeba qalaq yarsSi xelmoweril dokuments, rac erTobliobaSi did risks uqmnis aWaris da, Sesabamisad, qveynis usafrTxoebasa da stabilurobas. ai, am Temaze visaubrebT ufro vrclad Semdeg brifingze, uaxloes dReebSi.
