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politikaSi axlaxan dabrunebuli biZina ivaniSvili, sazogadoebaSi arsebuli araerTi mwvave kiTxvis miuxedavad, medias 24 ivlisamde ar Sexvedria, am dRes, sazogadoebrivma mauwyebelma masTan intervius Canaweri aCvena gadacemaSi – `aqtualuri Tema maka cincaZesTan erTad~, romelic am faqtamde mxolod pirdapir eTerSi gadioda. biZina ivaniSvilis gamo gadacemis formatic da adgilic Seicvala. `qarTuli ocnebis~ TavmjdomaresTan interviu sazogadoebrivma mauwyebelma SekveTilSi Cawera. principSi, intervius Caweris dro da adgili naklebad ainteresebda sazogadoebis did nawils, radgan ramdenime welia kuluarebSi myofi, qveynis araformalur mmarTvelad monaTlu-li biZina ivaniSvilisgan ainteresebdaT moesminaT, ra xdeba qveyanaSi da ratom gadawyvita politikaSi dabruneba.
`qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavmjdomarem ganacxada, rom politikaSi dabruneba didad ar esiamovna, rac misive TqmiT, yrilobaze sityviT gamosvlisasac ki daetyo. mmarTvel gundSi arsebuli dapirispirebac ar uaruyvia: `arsebobda gundis daSlis Zalian didi xifaTi da procesebi dawyebuli iyo. davinaxe, rom garedan Cemi kontroli sakmarisi ar iyo gundi SenarCunebuliyo da vertikali gamyarebuliyo. rac yrilobaze vTqvi, iyo msubuqad naTqvami, gundSi ufro Rrma problemebi arsebobda, – Tqva man.
sazogadoebas giorgi kvirikaSvilis wasvlasTan dakavSirebiTac ainteresebda misi pasuxi.
– kvirikaSvili ver axerxebda gundis mmarTvelobas, rac aucilebelia zogadad marTvaSi, miT umetes patara qveynisa da Cveni gundis SemTxvevaSi. parlamenti, praqtikulad, Caxsnili iyo, gadawyvetilebebis miRebis procesSi ar monawileobda, – ganacxada biZina ivaniSvilma da dasZina, rom kvirikaSvili gadawyvetilebebs mxolod or adamianTan – alaviZesTan da qumsiSvilTan erTad iRebda. mokled, pirdapir Tu arapirdapir, sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblisTvis micemul interviuSi biZina ivaniSvilma giorgi kvirikaSvili daadanaSaula qveyanaSi arsebuli mZime socialuri da ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gamo. `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavmjdomares qveynis moqmedi prezidentisgan gansxvavebiT axali mTavroba moswons. is, rom giorgi margvelaSvilma mas imedebi gaucrua, Zveli Temaa, albaT amis gamoa (an SesaZloa sxva mizezic arsebobdes), rom gundidan ar apirebs mmarTveli partia saprezidento kandidaturis dasaxelebas.
– Tu gvsurs, rom saqarTvelo demokratiuli mimarTulebiT swrafad ganviTardes da demokratiuli institutebic gaRrmavdes, Cemi poziciaa, rom gundidan ar davasaxeloT saprezidento kandidati, – Tqva biZina ivaniSvilma. igi ar malavs, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ damoukidebel, Rirseul kandidats dauWers mxars da Tu aseTi ar iqneba, opoziciam gadainawilos es instituti.
sazogadoebasTan erTad, albaT opoziciisTvisac saintereso iyo biZina ivaniSvilis pasuxi xeebis gadargvis ybadaRebul sakiTxze. misi TqmiT, am etapze 120 xea dendrologiur parkSi gadatanili da SesaZloa, es ricxvi 140-ze avides. ivaniSvili acxadebs, rom am proeqtiT biujetma 14 milioni lari miiRo, xolo 10-12 milioni lari ki xalxma – xeebis nakveTebze gatarebisTvis.
– plusis meti, rasac vakeTeb, araferi araa. braldebebi, rom rkinigza gadavketeT, sacobebi SevqmeniT, rom gavanadgureT mwvane buneba da ekologia da buneba aRar aRdgeba, sicruea. SemiZlia opoziciasac ki Sevxvde sajarod am Temaze, – Tqva biZina ivaniSvilma. mmarTveli partiis Tavmjdomare sabanko seqtorsac Seexo da Tqva, rom orma bankma qveyana SeWama.
mokled, visTvis saintereso da visTvis ivaniSvilis arafrismTqmeli gancxadebebi ramdenime dRe aqtualuri iqneba da araerTgvarovani Sefasebebic gakeTdeba. `aWaramac~ moismina ramdenime mxaris pozicia biZina ivaniSvilis gancxadebebze.
mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenelma, aWaris umaRlesi sabWos wevrma daviT bacikaZem CvenTan saubrisas aRniSna, rom biZina ivaniSvilma araerT mniSvnelovan sakiTxze isaubra da misi xedvac saintereso iyo.
– batono daviT, ratom gadawyvita `qarTuli ocnebis~ liderma, rom saprezidento kandidati ar iyos mmarTveli gundidan? biZina ivaniSvili ar gamoricxavs, mxari opoziciis kandidaturasac ki dauWiros.
– batonma biZinam Tqva, rom kargi iqneba Tu damoukidebeli kandidati gaxdeba qveynis prezidenti da ar uTqvams, rom aucileblad ase unda iyos. mec vfiqrob, saprezidento kandidati ar unda iyos xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli.
– sazogadoebam yofili premier-ministris giorgi kvirikaSvilis misamarTiT araerTi braldeba moismina. rogorc biZina ivaniSvilma ganacxada, ar icoda da umalavdnen, siRaribeSi rom cxovrobda xalxi. arc mmarTvelma gundma icoda ra xdeboda qveyanaSi? Tu qveyana ukan midioda, ratom ar SeewinaaRmdega giorgi kvirikaSvils Tundac saparlamento umravlesoba?
– am kiTxviT saqarTvelos parlamentis wevrebs mimarTeT.
– biZina ivaniSvilma sabanko seqtorzec isaubra da Tqva, rom orma bankma SeWama qveyana…
– Warbvalianoba rom am qveynis problemaa da yvelas gvawuxebs, axali araa. ori bankia yvelaze didi moTamaSe. magram, is, rom biznesi ar unda gaCerdes da ar SeizRudos, sxva Temaa. xsenebuli ori banki rom daixuros, saqarTvelos ekonomika iseT dartymas miiRebs, SeiZleba karga xans welSi ver gaimarTos. amavdroulad, safiqrebelia is, rom Cveni moqalaqeebi davicvaT Warbvalianobisgan, ekonomika ganvaviTaroT da ar viyoT Camokidebuli or bankze.
daviT bacikaZisgan gansxvavebiT biZina ivaniSvilis satelevizio interviuze vrclad isaubra `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrma, baTumis sakrebulos deputatma levan anTaZem. opoziciis warmomadgeneli acxadebs, rom biZina ivaniSvili ise rixianad aRar saubrobda, rogorc adre.
– mmarTveli partiis liderma eqvswliani warumatebloba ramdenime adamians daabrala, romlebic Tavis droze misi marTulebi iyvnen da Tanamdebobebzec erTi kriteriumiT – biZinasadmi erTgulebiT moxvdnen. me ase aRviqvi misi satelevizio gamosvla, – gviTxra levan anTaZem.
rac Seexeba saprezidento kandidats, sakrebulos wevri ambobs, rom biZina ivaniSvils `qarTul ocnebasTan~ arc jvari aqvs dawerili da partia arc amosavali wertilia misTvis.
– zogadad, arc evropaSia miRebuli praqtika, TviTmmarTvelobidan dawyebuli, parlamentSi sakonstitucio umravlesobiT damTavrebuli, aseve, saprezidento skami da yvela rgoli erTi partiis xelSi iyos koncentrirebuli. biZina ivaniSvili xelisuflebisgan damoukideblad calke akontrolebs prokuraturas, suss, Zalovan struqturebs da mTavrobasTan erTad yvelani misi marionetebi arian. kadri ar daniSnula, romelsac ivaniSvilTan muSaobis praqtika ar hqonia. aqedan gamomdinare, igi gunds naklebad uwevs angariSs. raRac drois Semdeg, ivaniSvili fiqrobs `qarTuli ocnebis~ Canacvlebas saTadarigo partiebiT, romelsac araformalurad dResac marTavs.
– da romelia aseTi partiebi?
– `patriotTa aliansi~, `evropuli saqarTvelo~ …
– vis dauWers mxars biZina ivaniSvili – damoukidebel kandidaturas Tu opoziciis romelime rCeuls?
– damoukidebeli kandidatis intriga SenarCunebulia, es albaT salome zurabiSvili iqneba. gvaxsovs, 2016 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis drosac igi damoukidebeli deputati gaxldaT, magram administraciuli resursi daixarja mis gasamarjveblad – `qarTulma ocnebam~ zurabiSvilis saarCevno olqSi kandidati ar daasaxela. aqedan gamomdinare, ramdenad damoukidebeli kandidati iqneba zurabiSvili an Tundac sxva, calke sakiTxia. faqtia, ivaniSvili fiqrobs, rom amomrCevliT iTamaSebs, yvelafers ise daalagebs, rogorc mas surs. svlebi gaTvlili aqvs, magram mosaxleobis guSindeli reaqciiT Tu vimsjelebT, rac socialur qselSi daiwera, mgonia, TamaSi misTvisac gviania.
– Tu opoziciuri kandidatis mxardaWeras gadawyvets, rogor fiqrobT, baqraZe-vaSaZes Soris arCevans romelze SeaCerebs?
– daviT baqraZes cota sxva funqcia aqvs – gaerTianebuli opoziciis kandidats xmebi waarTvas. SesaZlebelia, Tu amis saWiroeba dadgeba, ivaniSvilis erT-erTi dasayrdeni Zala `evropuli saqarTvelo~ gaxdes, Tumca am etapze ara mgonia daviT baqraZes dauWiros mxari.
– sabanko politikaze saubrisas Tqva, rom orma bankma SeWama qveyana.
– ise laparakobs biZina ivaniSvili, TiTqos sxva qveyanaSi cxovrobda da axalaxan Camovida saqarTveloSi. Turme giorgi kvirikaSvili umalavda mas, rom xalxi ukiduresad gaWirvebulia.
– Tqven ras fiqrobT, gantevebis vacia Tu korumpirebuli Cinovniki giorgi kvirikaSvili?
– gavixsenoT ra procesebi uZRoda kvirikaSvilis gadadgomas win. diax, igi gantevebis vacia, radgan ara premier-ministrze, aramed prokuraturasa da Sss-ze iyo agresia. es is uwyebebia, romelTa saSualebiTac biZina ivaniSvili sus-Tan erTad marTavs qveyanas. faqtia, Tea wulukianic ki ver gawira, radgan bevri aqvs albaT saTqmeli da gaTavisuflebis SemTxvevaSi ilaparakebda kidec. giorgi kvirikaSvils xeli Seaxoces, rac arasworad mimaCnia. taqtikuri svlaa, ivaniSvili xalxSi uaryofiTi muxtis Cacxrobas kvirikaSvilis gadayenebiT Seecada. igive saraliZis saqme da sistemuri problema ara mgonia Tea wulukianis ministrobis pirobebSi mogvardes.
– ivaniSvilma `nacionaluri moZraobis~ sayvarel Temaze – xeebis gadatanazec isaubra…
– biZina ivaniSvils da im organizaciebs, romlebic am vandalizmSi monawileobdnen, pasuxi aucileblad moeTxovebaT. saubari imaze, rom viRacebs fuli misces, uxerxulic ki aris. veranairi Tanxa ver aRadgens imas, rac dazianda da ra zaralic miadga aWaris ekosistemas. mosaxleobas mudmivad vxvdebiT da xalxi aRar motyuvdeba, Tundac guSindeli eTeris Semdeg. 6 weli sakmarisi dro iyo, Tu vinmes ramis keTeba surda, gaekeTebina. uniaToba da umoqmedebaa yvela mimarTulebiT. mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom biZina ivaniSvili sxva planetazea da axla gaugia, xalxi gaWirvebuli rom aris da nerviulobs Turme. imas rom gaigebs, quTaisSi mis aSenebul universitetSi bayayebis meti araferia, reanimacia dasWirdeba.- qveyanaSi uamravi problemaa, mosaxleobas uWirs da, samwuxarod, ar Cans aranairi saSveli. Sesabamisad, nebismieri aseTi gamosvla pirdapir kavSirSia imasTan, rom biZina ivaniSvilma kidev erTxel SecdomaSi Seiyvanos sazogadoeba. `qarTuli ocneba~ cdilobs gaixangrZlivos xelisuflebaSi yofnis dro. es ar aris gamosavali da mosaxleobis yofa amiT ver gaumjobesdeba, – acxadebs `evropuli saqarTvelos~ wevri, umaRlesi sabWos damoukidebeli deputati petre zambaxiZe.
– gamosavals raSi xedavT, batono petre?
– `qarTuli ocneba~ da biZina ivaniSvili opoziciaSi arCevnebis gziT unda gadavides. xalxis mobilizaciaa saWiro, garkveulma opoziciurma Zalebma unda gaimarjvos da es xelisufleba davamarcxoT. rogorc Cans, sxva gamosavals verc qveynis mmarTveli xedavs. misma gamosvlam daadastura, rom adrec da axlac yvelafers Tavad akontrolebs, amas ukve daufaravad ambobs, magram imas, rac uaryofiTi xdeba, abralebs sxvebs, im sxvebs, romlebic misive daniSnulia Tavis droze. rac kargia, Tavad miiwers xolme. cud saqmeebs, kriminalis matebas, korufcias, siRaribes, ekonomika win rom ver midis da a. S.A am yvelafers abralebs sxvebs, es misi rCeuli meTodia – xeli Seawmindos sxvebs, missave moyvanil xalxs da Tavad gaixangrZlivos xelisuflebaSi yofna. kargad gvaxsovs dapireba – meoTxe weli saukeTeso unda yofiliyo rogorc demokratiuli ganviTarebiT, ise tarifebis klebiT, gazrdili pensia-xelfasebiT, amuSavebul-agugunebuli qarxnebiT, magram, samwuxarod, meoTxe ki ara, meeqvse weli iwureba xelisuflebaSi yofnis da mosaxleoba gauaresebul yofaSia uperspeqtivobis gancdiT. mosyidvis, muqaris da sxva Cveuli meTodebis miuxedavad, xalxma swori gadawyvetileba unda miiRos – qveyana gamoarTvas im adamianebs, romlebic gamdidrebis garda araferze zrunaven da gadasces opoziciur partiebs, romlebic SeZleben koaliciurad marTon qveyana da waiyvanon win.
– biZina ivaniSvilis gancxadebas saprezidento kandidaturasTan dakavSirebiT rogor afasebT?
– `qarTuli ocneba~ rom Rrma krizisSia, naTlad dadasturda bolo periodSi, rasac mTavrobis Secvla mohyva. ivaniSvili saprezidento arCevnebze nerviulobs da eSinia kidec, erTgvarad Tavs izRvevs – TiTqos sakuTari kandidati ar eyoleba, arada, visac daasaxelebs da mxars dauWers, misi kandidati ar iqneba? salome zurabiSvili 2016 wlis saparlamento arCevnebSi erTaderTi damoukidebeli kandidati iyo, romelsac mmarTveli gundidan mowinaaRmdege ar hyavda. axlac igive meTodiT apirebs ivaniSvili, gaxados zurabiSvili prezidenti. seriozuli arCevnebia win da ivaniSvili Tavs izRvevs, did Tanxas daxarjavs, Tavisi kandidati, Tavisi mona-morCili dasvas prezidentad.
rac Seexeba xeebis aWaridan gatanis sakiTxs, `evropuli saqarTvelos~ wevri petre zambaxiZe ambobs, rom im fonze, roca xalxs saWmlis fuli ar aqvs, swavlis safasurs ver ixdian, gamoxvide da isaubro imaze, Tu rogor xarjav milionebs xeebis gadatanaSi, sul cota, uxerxulia.
– ukeTesi iqneba, sacxovrebeli korpusebi aaSenos da socialurad daucvelebi, mravalSviliani usaxlkaro ojaxebi Seasaxlos, vidre aTobiT milioni lari xarjos Tavis axirebaze. uamravi problema aqvs mosaxleobas da qveyanas, – aRniSna CvenTan saubrisas deputatma.
mosaxleobisTvis siurprizi iyo, rom biZina ivaniSvilma opozicia ufro miiCnia sakuTari personis damfaseblad, vidre `qarTuli ocneba~. rogori iqneba misi mmarTveloba zemoT xsenebuli Sefasebebidan gamomdinare, momavali gviCvenebs, momavali, romelSic biZina ivaniSvili politikidan wasvlas, rogorc dagvpirda, ar iCqarebs.
