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Semodgomaze saqarTvelos mosaxleoba qveynis
prezidents airCevs. arCevnebis Catarebis TariRi ukve
cnobilia, viciT, vin arian opoziciuri speqtris saprezidento kandidatebic, Tumca ucnobi rCeba mmarTveli partiis saprezidento kandidatis vinaoba.
politikuri mdgomareoba daZabuli da
araprognozirebadia, rasac win uZRoda maRali
Tanamdebobis pirebis gadadgoma rogorc centrSi, ise regionSi. amasTan, `qarTuli ocnebis~ liderma biZina ivaniSvilma sazogadoebriv mauwyebels vrceli
interviu misca, sadac isaubra qveynis
socialur-ekonomikur mdgomareobasa da ramdenime sxva
mimarTulebaze
ivaniSvilis satelevizio gamosvlidan sul male sazogadoebisTvis cnobili gaxda, rom yofili vice-premieri dimitri qumsiSvili da infrastruqturis yofili ministri zurab alaviZe prokuraturam dakiTxvaze daibara. gaCnda gonivruli eWvi, rom SesaZloa, sagamoZiebo uwyeba yofili premier-ministriT giorgi kvirikaSviliTac dainteresdes. rogorc maRal eSelonebSi, ise sazogadoebaSi, masStabur korufciaze alaparakdnen, am fonze ki mosaxleoba ukiduresad gaRatakebulia.
qveyanaSi mimdinare politikuri procesebis Sefaseba saqarTvelos parlamentis umravlesobis wevrs, maJoritar deputats zaqaria qucnaSvils vTxoveT.
– batono zaqaria, politikaSi dabrunebulma biZina ivaniSvilma ramdenime dRis win sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblisTvis micemul interviuSi yofili premieri qvveyanaSi arsebuli arasaxarbielo, mZime socialuri fonis gamo da mmarTvel gundSi disonansis SetanisTvis gaakritika. arada, Tavis droze, gvaxsovs, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ lideri giorgi kvirikaSvilze did imedebs amyarebda. ra gaxda ivaniSvilsa da kvirikaSvils Soris ukmayofilebis mizezi?
– giorgi kvirikaSvilTan ukmayofilebis mizezebi iyo is, razec Tavad biZina ivaniSvilma isaubra satelevizio interviuSi da aseve Tqva samuSao Sekrebis drosac partiis centralur ofisSi.
– batonma biZinam sajarod Tqva, rom giorgi kvirikaSvili mas raRacebs umalavda, rom yofil premiers dapirispireba hqonda mmarTvel gundTan, saparlamento umravlesobasTan. Tu es ase iyo, ratom dumda Tundac saparlamento umravlesoba?
– damalva niSnavs imas, rom sanam rame dokumentis Taobaze cnobili ar gaxdeba, veravin gaigebs. amasTan, damalvis faqtis winapirobac arsebobda – batoni biZinasTvis mniSvnelovania moqalaqeebma igrZnon qveynis ekonomikuri zrda. Cveni kargi programebiT daviwyeT ekonomikuri zrda, martivad rom vTqvaT, 7 miliardnaxevriani biujeti hqonda qveyanas da dRes aqvs 11 miliardnaxevriani, anu, eqvsi wlis ganmavlobaSi biujetis aseTi zrda kargi maCvenebelia, Tumca, es ver igrZnes mo-qalaqeebma da swored aq hqonda baton biZinas kiTxvebi – adamianebis Semosavlebi izrdeboda, Tu klebulobda. amis mTavari indikatori fulis moxmarebis miznobriobaa da risTvis sesxulobda xalxi fuls? aRmoCnda – samomxmareblo sesxebs adamianebi iRebdnen ara bizesis ganviTarebisTvis, aramed arsebobisTvis. aseT dros mTavrobam gangaSi unda atexos. aqedan gamomdinare, davdeqiT faqtis winaSe – qveynis ekonomika izr-deba, magram cxovrebis done ar umjobesdeba.
– batono zaqaria, saubaria masStabur korufciaze. xom ar unda velodoT yofili premieris da ramdenime yofili ministris pasuxisgebaSi micemas?
– verafers getyviT. gamixardeba, Tu korufcia da darRvevebi ar dadasturdeba. magram danaSaulis faqtebi Tu dadasturda da amxiles yofili Tanamdebobis pirebi, ra Tqma unda, kanoni yvelasTvis unda kanonobdes.
– xalxis gaRaribebaSi mxolod eqspremieri kvirikaSvilia damnaSave da WarbvalianobaSi – ori banki, razec batonma biZina ivaniSvilma isaubra?
– WarbvalianobaSi met-naklebad ramdenime subieqtia damnaSave. komerciulma bankebma, bolo xuTi welia daiwyes kreditebis gacema moqalaqis Semosavalze damokidebulebis ganzomilebiT, iqamde ki kreditebs gascemdnen uzrunvelyofis saSualebebze dayrdnobiT mxolod da sul ar ainteresebdaT, sesxis amRebs hqonda Tu ara Semosavali – orientirebulebi iyvnen qonebis xelSi Cagdebaze. bolo periodSi daiwyes msesxeblis finansuri mdgomareobis Semowmeba. roca adamians 1000 lari aqvs xelfasi da iRebs sesxs, romlis momsaxurebasac yovelTviurad 1500 lari sWirdeba, saidan unda moitanos is 500 lari, an rogor unda iarsebos ojaxma, Tu mTel Semosavals sesxis momsaxurebaSi gadaixdis? amitomac, didi raodenobis uZravi qoneba Caigdes xelSi bankebma da Tavad daiwyes korpusebis mSenebloba, anu araprofiluri saqmianoba. bunebrivia, am yvelaferSi damnaSavea erovnuli da komerciuli bankebi da mTavroba.
– saprezidento kandidatTan dakavSirebiTac isaubra biZina ivaniSvilma. gundSi ar aris iseTi kandidati, romelsac daasaxelebT Tu demokratiis kidev erT gamovlinebad unda miviCnioT opozicioneri an damoukidebeli kandidati Tu gaxdeba qveynis prezidenti?
– Teoriulad sami varianti arsebobs: pirveli – mmarTvelma partiam Tavisi kandidati daasaxelos da misi gamarjvebisTvis ibrZolos; meore – ar daasaxelos kandidati, magram romelime damoukidebel kandidats dauWiros mxari da mesame – ar Caerios arCevnebSi da opoziciurma speqtrma erTmaneTTan SejibrSi gamoavlinos prezidentobis kandidati.
– da mainc, Tundac opoziciur kandidatTan mimarTebaSi, visi pozicia SeiZleba daikavos biZina ivaniSvilma? amboben, rom samomavlod, `evropuli saqarTvelo~ is Zalaa, romelic `qarTul ocnebas~ Secvlis. aqedan gamomdinare, xom ar unda vifiqroT, rom swored daviT baqraZeze dadebs fsons mmarTveli partiis lideri?
– batoni biZina ivaniSvili ambobs, rom an Cveni kandidati gvyavdes, an damoukidebel kandidats davuWiroT mxari, an ar CaverioT arCevnebSi. amdenad, versia, rom iribad an pirdapir miexmareba romelime opoziciur kandidats, ara mgonia, swori iyos. Cemi piradi mosazrebaa, Cveni kandidatura davasaxeloT da misi gamarjvebisTvis vibrZoloT, xolo Tu ar gveyoleba kandidati, saerTod ar miviRoT saprezidento arCevnebSi monawileoba da aravis davuWiroT mxari.
– biZina ivaniSvils moqmedma prezidentma imedebi ar gaumarTla, iseve, rogorc giorgi kvirikaSvilma. gamodis, misi SerCeuli kadrebi ar amarTlebs?
– ase Tqmac ar SeiZleba, radgan gamarTleba-argamarTleba damokidebulia imaze, Tu vin rogor gamoadgeba samSoblos. batoni biZina miiCnevs, rom prezidenti margvelaSvili ver emsaxura samSoblos da arCevani pirad komfortze gaakeTa, ver sZlia ambicias, rom is ar aris mmarTveli da am yvelaferma warmoSva gaugebrobebi da konfliqtebi, rac sazogadoebisTvisac cnobilia. arada, saprezidento arCevnebamde giorgi margvelaSvili ambobda, rom komforti ar sWirdeboda da masze uars itoda.
– raki giorgi margvelaSvilze vsaubrobT, gkiTxavT, Tu igi kvlav gadawyvets saprezidento arCevnebSi monawileobas, rogor fiqrobT, ra Sansi eqneba da vin SeiZleba moiazrebodes mis gundSi?
– giorgi margvelaSvils saprezidento arCevnebSi gamarjveba gauWirdeba imitom, rom is erTdroulad miuRebeli aRmoCnda rogorc farTo opoziciuri speqtrisTvis, ise xelisuflebisTvis. Sesabamisad, arc sazogadoebaSi aqvs myari dasayrdeni.
– axalma premier-ministrma gubernatorebis Secvlis gadawyvetileba miiRo, saubaria arCeuli merebis Secvlazec. samarTlebrivad ramdenad martivi iqneba merebis gadayenebis sakiTxi, Tu dRis wesrigSi aseTi ram dadga? rogor fiqrobT, Tu ase moxda, es iqneba giorgi kvirikaSvilis kadrebis sruli wmenda?
– Tu vinme ver uZRveba dakavebul Tanamdebobas da paralelurad arRvevs kanons, ra Tqma unda, daiwyeba maTi gadayenebis procesi. arCevnebSi gamarjveba Tanamdebobaze oTxi wlis vadiT yofnis garantia ar unda iyos. Tu arCeuli meri verc saqmes uZRveba da kanonsac arRvevs, Tanamdebobaze ver darCeba. amdenad, merebis sakiTxic unda gadaixedos.
– centraluri xelisuflebis Secvlis paralelurad, Tanamdebobidan gadadga aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare, giorgi kvirikaSvilis gundis wevri zurab pataraZe. Tanamdeboba datova orma ministrmac. bevri miTqma-moTqma mohyva axali Tavmjdomaris Tornike riJvaZis kandidaturasac. vin gadawyvita misi mTavrobis Tavmjdomareobis sakiTxi? opozicia irwmuneba, rom amaSi didi wvlili regionis yofilma mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem da amJamad saqarTvelos parlamentis wevrma arCil xabaZem Seitana.
– Cemi informaciiT, Tornike riJvaZis rekomendatori batoni arCil xabaZea. amboben, batoni Tornike axalgazrda, energiuli kaciao, piradad ar vicnob. ar gamovricxav, uaxloes periodSi maRalmTian aWaraSi Sexvedrebi gavmarTo mTis kanonis irgvliv da iq gavicno. mainteresebs, rogor xedavs maRalmTiani aWaris CamorCenilobis daZlevis perspeqtivas. maqvs informacia, rom zRvispireTi viTardeba, maRalmTianeTi – naklebad, rac bunebrivia, magram yvelas da maT Soris aWaris xelisuflebis movaleobaa, xeli Seuwyos mTianeTis ganviTarebas. am mimarTulebiT baton riJvaZes mivexmarebi.
– diax, mTis ganuviTareblobis gamo gvaqvs ramdenime welia `ocnebis qalaqi~ barSi…
– samwuxarod, aseTi `ocnebis qalaqi~ yvela did centrSia. gaWirveba da umuSevroba maRalia, rasac usaxlkaroba emateba. saxelmwifo am etapze saxlebs uSenebs iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirebs, ekomigrantebs, samxedroebs. momavlidan vgegmavT policielebisTvisac daviwyoT sacxovreblebis mSenebloba, radgan patiosani policieli, 20-wliani karierac rom qondes da mTeli cxovreba Sealios mosaxleobis usafrTxoebas da simSvides, 1500-lariani xelfasiT ver SeiZens sacxovrebels. am programas momavali wlidan daviwyebT, maT Soris aWaraSi.
