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aWaris umaRlesi sabWos safinanso-sabiujeto da ekonomikur sakiTxTa komitetis Tavmjdomaris, agrarul da garemos dacvis sakiTxTa komitetis, aseve fraqcia `qarTuli ocneba – maJoritarebis~ wevris
giorgi romanaZis gancxadebiT, uprecedentod didi biujeti (375 milioni lari) gvaqvs. erT-erTi prioritetuli sakiTxi, romelic 2018 wlis
biujetSia asaxuli, infrastruqturis ganviTarebaa da igi
ramdenime mimarTulebas moicavs
romelia es mimarTulebebi, rogor ivseba biujeti da rogor vebrZoloT e.w. modur farosanas, amaze batoni giorgi `aWarasTan~ interviuSi saubrobs.
– batono giorgi, daviwyoT im ybadaRebuli gardamavali naSTiT, romelsac oponentebi biujetis zrdis erT-erT wyarod Tvlian.
– es naSTi stabiluria da ukve imdenjer ganixiles, aRar gavakeTeb amaze aqcents. umjobesia, xazi gavusvaT im garemoebas, rom fizikuri pirebisgan miRebuli saSemosavlo, gegmis mixedviT, 40 milioni lari iqneba da ramdenic unda iZaxon oponentebma, ekonomika mkvdariao, swored es cifri adasturebs sawinaaRmdegos. Tuki ar aris dasaqmeba, fizikuri pirebis saSemosavlosac ver aRvnusxavT biujetSi, arada, swored esaa Cveni biujetis ZiriTadi Semosavlis wyaro. axlaxan, ori kvartalis SesrulebasTan dakavSirebiT, sakmaod imedis momcemi cifrebi warmoadgina finansTa ministrma. 94% Sesrulebaa dagegmilTan SedarebiT. wels infrastruqturis mSeneblobis bumia. aqve minda vTqva, rom vemzadebiT Wadrakis CempionatisTvis, razec didi Tanxebi ixarjeba. aseve, sruldeba baTumelebis sanukvari ocneba – Sendeba stadioni da auzi, rac aTwleulebis ganmavlobaSi mxolod da mxolod igegmeboda, Tumca realurad ver xerxdeboda sxvadasxva subieqturi Tu obieqturi mizezis gamo.
– es yvelaferi cnobilia, Tumca oponentebi isev da isev saubroben biurokratiul xarjebze, mivlinebebze…
– 60-milioniani biujeti aqvs aWaris gzebis departaments, rac imis maniSnebelia, rom ZiriTadi xarjebi mimarTulia ara biurokratiuli saWiroebebis dakmayofilebaze, aramed konkretul infrastruqturul samuSaoebze.
– sad daigeba gzebi?
– aWara moiazreba ara mxolod sazRvao, aramed samTo kurortadac. Tumca turizmis am mimarTulebiT amuSaveba garTulda miuvali adgilebis gamo. cxadia, arian veluri bunebis moyvarulebic, romlebic fexiT midian daniSnulebis adgilamde, magram isini, vinc aq Camodian mniSvnelovani Tanxis dasaxarjad, komforts arian miCveulni, romlis erT-erTi komponenti swored moasfaltebuli gzebia. minda aRvniSno, rom mTavrobis midgoma saavtomobilo gzebis mSeneblobasTan mimarTebaSi, mkacri da masStaburia.
– ras niSnavs `mkacri~?
– imas, rom biujetSi mkacradaa gamoyofili Tanxebi, romelic konkretulad am sferos moxmardeba.
– saakaSvilis mTavroba acxadebda, rom aWaraSi yvelgan daigo gzebi.
– mxolod qedaSi, merisis xeobaSi. maTi mTavrobis gadayenebamde maRalmTian raionebSi 1 km asfaltic ki ar iyo dagebuli. sasmeli wylis problemis mogvarebac Cven mogviwia qobuleTSi. me iqauri maJoritari var da kargad vici, rasac vambob. iyo Cvens raionSi didi soflebi, romelTac jer kidev komunistebis droidan, grafikiT miewodeboda wyali.
– wina mTavrobis warmomadgenlebi wylis problemis mogvarebazec saubrobdnen...
– ki, amaSi namdvilad gvjobda saakaSvili. piari umaRles doneze hqonda, realuri saqmis ki ra mogaxsenoT. me 2016 wels movamzade winasaarCevnod konkretuli cifrebi, sadac zustad iyo aRnusxuli, ra akeTa `ocnebam~ saxelmwifos saTaveSi mosvlis pirvelive 4 weliwadSi da merwmuneT, yvela faqti iyo gadamowmebuli. Cven vmuSaobdiT ara fasadurad, xalxis mosatyueblad, aramed realuri problemebis Zireulad aRmosafxvrelad.
– konkretulad ra gakeTda?
– aris iseTi arapopularuli, arasapiaro Temebi, rogoricaa miwisqveSa komunikaciebis mowesrigeba, ris gareSec verafers gaakeTeb miwis zemoT, xalxis Tvalis dasanaxad. arada, amis mosawesrigeblad milionebi daixarja. mogvarda sasmeli wylis problemebi. ramdenime aTeuli milioni daixarja am mimarTulebiT. marTalia, kidev aris darCenili problemebi saTave nagebobebis gamarTulad amuSavebisaTvis, riTac urcxvad apelireben Cveni oponentebi da xmamaRla acxadeben, rom milionebi wyalSi Caiyara, am sityvis pirdapiri mniSvnelobiTo… miuxedavad imisa, rom Tavadac sargebloben im sikeTiT, rac ukve gakeTda.
– ra iciT, rom sargebloben?
– amis ganmcxadeblebs Soris im soflis warmomadgenlebic arian, sadac wlebis ganmavlobaSi grafikiT iRebdnen wyals.
– Tqven Zalian gaRizianebT oponentebis gancxadebebi, arada, kritika xels uwyobs saqmis keTebas.
– diax, Tuki saubaria jansaR kritikaze. amiT minda vTqva, rom ar xdeba normaluri oponireba, romelic marTlac Seuwyobs xels im xarvezebis aRmofxvras, muSa procesSi rom warmoiqmneba. xSir SemTxvevaSi, aseTi opozicia Casafrebulis poziciidan iwyebs sityvier Tavdasxmas. ras vizamT, maTi politikuri TviTmizani esaa da amas versad gaveqceviT. Cven isev da isev vamjobinebT, rom saqmem gamogvaCinos da ara laparakma.
– kidev romeli mimarTulebiT ixarjeba sabiujeto Tanxebi?
– garemos dacvisa da tyis movla-aRdgenis mimarTulebiT. rogorc iciT, tyis aRricxva realurad ar iyo Catarebuli da sakmaod didi Tanxa daixarja am kuTxiT vaxtang wulaZis xelmZRvanelad yofnisas. rogorc iqna, aRiricxa tye srulad da axla realurad viciT, ra mdgomareobaa iq, sad gviWirs, sadaa problema da a.S.
– rac Seexeba mcire biznesis ganviTarebas…
– am mimarTulebiTac gaaCnia saxelmwifos sakmaod mniSvnelovani proeqtebi. programa `awarmoe saqarTveloSi~ ukve karga xania warmatebulad muSaobs. igi sulac ar aris gaTvlili maRali donis biznesis ganviTarebaze, 5-10-aTasian Tanadafinansebazea orientirebuli. aseve, aWaraSi biznes-inkubatori moqmedebs, sadac startapebsac afinanseben.
– amis miuxedavad, xalxs mainc uWirs da erTeulebma SesZles realurad momgebiani biznesis awyoba…
– simarTle giTxraT, es Tavad Cveni xalxis bralia. ai, me wlebis ganmavlobaSi bankSi vmuSaobdi. sxavaTa Soris, maSin moqmedebda biznesis daxmarebaze orientirebuli programa, romlis mixedviTac 10 laridan 5-s Cuqnida mTavroba mwarmoebels, oRondac ki aemoqmedebina romelime sawarmo an nebismieri saxis biznesi. samwuxarod, maSin Zalian cota adamiani davafinanseT, ar gamoCnda bevri iseTi piri, romelic naxevar fasad SesZlebda sakuTari saqmis awyobas. xalxi saCuqars elis mTavrobisgan, naxevars xom Cuqnidnen, amaze mets ras iTxovdnen?.. soflis meurneoba aviRoT, sadac uamravi proeqtia dafinansebuli, magram Sedegi jer isev ar Cans. vici, rom realurad dafinansda teqnikis SeZena, sasaTbure meurneobebis awyoba, ufasod aZlevdnen CiTilebs da nergebs, magram amaod…
– ra aris aseTi gulgrilobis da xelCaqneulobis mizezi?
– Cems megobrebTanac miTqvams da TqvenTanac ganvacxadeb, rom Cven gagvazarmaca komunistebis dros Cais da citrusis kulturebma, rodesac produqciis xarisxs maincdamainc didi yuradReba ar eqceoda. qobuleTeli var da kargad vici, ra xdeboda: sezonurad daqiravebul muSebs akrefinebdnen tonobiT citruss, Cais, gahqondaT ruseTSi da uzarmazar Tanxebs atrialebdnen. rogorc ki gasaRebis problema Seiqmna da arastandartuli nayofi wamovida, imis codnac ar daurCaT, rogor moevloT, rogor SeevsoT axali nargavebiT aTwleulebis ganmavlobaSi gamofituli da gadaberebuli citrusis baRebi.
– Tu aravin icoda, ra eqnaT?
– gvaqvs gvaraSi agroserviscentri. sakuTari soflis magaliTze SemiZlia vTqva, rom mxolod ramdenime ojaxma isargebla am sakmaod Zvirad Rirebuli servisiT, romelsac 10%-iani TanadafinansebiT Rebulob. sxvas yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT, riT unda daexmaro im adamians, romelic gTxovs dasaqmebas, magram aranairi codna, gamocdileba da unar-Cvevebi ar gaaCnia?
– yvela umaRlesdamTavrebuli xom ar iqneba?
– aravin iTxovs dRes umaRlesis diploms, Tuki xeloba aqvs. aris qobuleTSi koleji `axali talRa~, romelic maRalkvalificiur kadrebs amzadebs, vgulisxmob yvela im specialobas, romelzec didi moTxovnaa da deficituria. magaliTad, samSeneblo teqnikis floba, aRarafers vambob barmenebsa Tu menejerebze. eqskavatoris mZRoli dRes 1000 larze mets iRebs, arada, eZeben am profesiis xalxs..
– zogierTi biznesis Cavardnas gadasaxadebs ukavSirebs…
– es ar aris swori midgoma. Cvens qveyanaSi bizness rom lmobieri gadasaxadebi aqvs, iseTi arsadaa, Tanac yovel wels siaxleebia am kuTxiT. es yvelam icis, vinc am sferoSia Caxeduli. gaiareT puSkinis quCaze, iq bevrma aawyo sakuTari biznesi kreditebis meSveobiT, Tavad gaveci maTze sesxi. amiT imis Tqma minda, rom vinc icis muSaoba, misTvis yvela pirobaa Seqmnili. mTavroba sxva mxriv bizness verafriT daexmareba da miT umetes, verafers ukarnaxebs. biznesmenma Tavad unda moZebnos iseTi produqti Tu servisi, romelsac eqneba gasaRebis saTanado bazari.
– Tqven agrarul da garemos dacvis sakiTxTa komitetis wevric xarT, rogor mimdinareobs mavneblebTan brZola, romlis gamoc `Cavarda~ bevri agrarul seqtorze orientirebuli biznesmeni. xalxi panikaSia, yvela elodeba kompensacias, daxmarebas mTavrobisagan…
– mavneblebTan brZolas rac Seexeba, Cven ukeTesi mdgomareoba gvaqvs am mxriv, radgan SegviZlia gamoviyenoT aSS-is gamocdileba, romelic ramdenime weli ebrZoda mavneblebs da uamravi Tanxa daxarja, sanam maT winaaRmdeg brZolis saSualebebs ipovida. bolo informaciiT, arsebobs civi da nislisebri Sesxureba, aseve, calkeul adgilebze feromenebi daikideba, romelic izidavs mavneblebs da ukve civi SesxurebiT adgilze ganadgurdeba ramdenime aTasi cali. rac Seexeba kompensacias, fulad daxmarebas – saeWvoa, magram vici, rom mTavroba aqtiurad TanamSromlobs bankebTan da mikrosafinanso organizaciebTan, raTa dazaralebulebs gadauvadon sesxis dafarvis TariRi.
– mosaxleoba didi zaralis winaSe aRmoCnda.
– diax, bevrma aCexa mandarini da dargo Txili, radgan miaCnda, rom yovelgvari movlis gareSe SeZlebda mosavlis miRebas. adre es iyo kultura, romelic ar iTxovda specifikur agrodamuSavebas, magram axla Seicvala situacia. yvelaferi saWiroebs agrowesebis dacviT Sewamvlas – rogorc citrusi, ise Txili. sxvaTa Soris, am sezonis CavardnasTan dakavSirebiT, modurad qceuli farosana arafer SuaSia, es aris sokovani daavadeba, romelic moedo bevr qveyanas.
– ra unda gaakeTos mTavrobam situaciis gamosasworeblad?
– ufro meti unda imuSaos, mosaxleobas miawodos informacia, Tu ra Sedegs miiReben saTanado agroRonisZiebebis Cautareblobis SemTxvevaSi. sokovani daavadebis dasaZlevad nargavebis Sewamvlaa aucilebeli. erTxel da samudamod unda gaviTavisoT, rom yvelafers sWirdeba movla – Txilsac, mandarinsac da Caisac.
– ZiriTadad, ra funqcia akisria Tqvens komitets?
– martivad rom vTqvaT, umaRlesi sabWos ZiriTadi funqciaa aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis kontroli, sakanonmdeblo saqmianoba da a.S. anu es aris sakanonmdeblo organo, romelic maqsimalur komforts uqmnis aRmasrulebel xelisuflebas, raTa xeli ar SeeSalos muSaobis procesSi. rac Seexeba Cvens komitets, igi aris mTavrobis xerxemali, radgan Cvens mier Tanxebis gakontrolebis, gaanalizebis da damtkicebis gareSe, ver amoqmeddeba verc erTi proeqti. mTavroba valdebulia, angariSi Caabaros umaRles sabWos, ra tempiT sruldeba dagegmili biujeti, rogor muSaobs programebi. cifrebi yvelaze da yvelaferze ukeT metyveleben imaze, Tu ra viTarebaa avtonomiur respublikaSi. aseve, xSirad vawyobT Sexvedrebs mosaxleobasTan, radgan swored maTzea morgebuli yvela programa, isini arian Cveni muSaobis Sefasebis yvelaze WeSmariti Semfaseblebi. amitomac vTvli, rom swori mimarTulebiT mivdivarT da ar vapirebT gezis Secvlas.