,, არ შეიძლება უგულებელყო იმ ადამიანის თხოვნა, ვისაც შეზღუდული აქვს ყველაზე დიდი ღირებულება – თავისუფლება”…
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cotne ananiZe 23 wlis asakSi daapatimres 2011 wlis 21 maiss `saxalxo krebis~ mier televiziasTan gamarTuli aqciis organizatorobis gamo. man cixeSi weliwadnaxevari gaatara, magram arasodes iviwyebs maSin iq arsebul sakvebs, antisanitarias, fsiqologiur Tu fizikur zewolas… amJamad igi umaRlesi sabWos adamianis uflebaTa dacvis sakiTxTa komitetis Tavmjdomarea, Tumca mware gamocdileba, romelic yofili xelisuflebis sastiki reJimis dros miiRo, exmareba detalurad Seiswavlos regionis penitencialur dawesebulebaSi arsebuli mdgomareoba da realurad daicvas patimarTa uflebebi. adamiani, romelmac sakuTar Tavze gamoscada uufleboba, exmareba yvela subieqts, romelic mimarTavs ama Tu im TxovniT. Tu amisTvis sakmarisi araa misi kompetencia, iyenebs sxvadasxva gzas, raTa miitanos dazaralebuli piris problema im uwyebaSi, sadac SesZleben mis gadawyvetas. raze muSaobs amJamad, ra pri-oritetebi aqvs dasaxuli da ra saxis cvlilebebs amzadebs kanonSi, amaze batoni cotne Tavis interviuSi saubrobs.
– ratom waxvediT Jurnalistikidan politikaSi, migaCniaT Tu ara, rom axali postidan ukeT SesZlebT mosaxleobis interesebis dacvas?
– marTlac sakmaod rTuli gadawyvetilebis winaSe aRmovCndi. Tqven, rogorc profesionali, kargad gamigebT am ganwyobas – roca mTeli enTuziazmiT xar profesiaSi CarTuli, xels uwyob sazogadoebrivi Rirebulebebis Camoyalibebas da giwevs am yvelaferTan damSvidobeba, ar aris advili. isicaa, ar ici, es procesi droebiTia Tu mudmivad darCebi politikaSi. dameTanxmeT, msgavs viTarebaSi gadawyvetilebis miReba kidev ufro gimZims. magram Tqvens kiTxvaSi ukve Cans pasuxi. diax, me davTanxmdi axal posts, radgan miviCnie, rom aqedan metis gakeTebas SevZlebdi. mediidan warmomadgenlobiT organoSi gadasvlis erT-erT motivad esec SemiZlia davasaxelo.
– Tu gaqvT saTanado berketebi saamisod?
– amaze misaubria mediasTanac da samoqalaqo sazogadoebis warmomadgenlebTanac. rac metad erTvebi procesSi, ufro Rrmad swavlob konkretuli adamianis saqmes, xolo rodesac misi uflebis realizebas myisieri gadawyvetilebis miReba sWirdeba, miT ufro meti gaqvs Tundac Sinagani an garemoebebidan gamomdinare moTxovna – meti berketi gqondes am sakiTxis swrafi, pozitiuri gadawyvetisTvis.
– Tqven, kanonmdebelsac gaqvT am mxriv SezRudvebi?
– ki. cxadia, yvelas, maT Soris Cvenc gvaqvs ufleba-movaleobebi. Cveni kompetencia, raRac nawilSi, ar kmara Cvens imedad darCenili konkretuli adamianis dasaxmareblad, am dros sxva pirebs, uw-yebebs, gaerTianebebs mimarTav oficialuri Tu piradi TxovniT, raTa daexmaro ganmcxadebels.
– bevri mogmarTavT?
– yvela patimars da maTi ojaxis wevrebs aqvs CemTan telefoniT dakavSirebis saSualeba. me xazze var 24 saaTis ganmavlobaSi. ar SeiZleba ugulebelyo im adamianis Txovna, visac SezRuduli aqvs yvelaze didi Rirebuleba – Tavisufleba.
– cota ram umaRles sabWoSi Tqvens saqmianobaze. miiReT Tu ara raime konkretuli kanonproeqti, waradgineT sakanonmdeblo iniciativebi, cvlilebebi?
– minda xazi gavusva im garemoebas, rom sfero, romelic adamianis uflebebs exeba, rTuli da faqizia. Cven vmuSaobT rogorc umravlesobasTan, ise opoziciasTan erTad. gvaqvs ori iniciativa. imedia, rom orive Seva kanonSi da SeRavaTs moutans msjavrdebulebs. pirveli iniciativa iTvaliswinebs aWaris umaRlesi sabWos wevrebisTvis penitencialur dawesebulebebSi Sesvlis uflebas. amiT ufro gamWvirvale gaxdeba sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebuleba, Cvenc meti meqanizmi gagviCndeba am sferos monitoringisTvis da ukeT davicavT patimarTa uflebebs. mimaCnia, rom yovelive zemoTqmuli Zalian mniSvnelovania Cveni saxelmwifosa da sazogadoebisTvis. Cven ukve miviReT mware gamocdileba wina xelisuflebebis periodSi da nebismieri konkretuli SemTxvevac ki (sistemuri, principSi, aRarc aris) didi gamowveva aRmoCndeba Cveni xelisuflebisaTvis. amaze vmuSaobT opoziciasTan erTad, radgan am sakiTxSi Cveni poziciebi emTxveva.
– rogor axerxebT cixeSi Sesvlas?
– am etapze specialuri nebarTvis safuZvelze Sevdivar monitoringisaTvis, kanoniT ar maqvs ufleba. rac Seexeba sakanonmdeblo cvlilebis kuTxiT meore iniciativas, igi exeba winaswar patimrobaSi myofi adamianisTvis sasamarTlos SenobaSi specialuri oTaxis gamoyofas, sadac gansasjeli SesZlebs Sexvdes da esa-ubros misi interesebis damcvels Tu advokats.
– nuTu es problemaa?
– diax, Cveni regionisTvis problemaa, radgan gansasjelebi gadahyavT quTaisis #2 penitencialur dawesebulebaSi. ojaxis wevrebisTvis xarjia iq advokatis Cayvana. Sesabamisad, xdeba ise, rom gansasjeli ver axerxebs sasamarTlos sxdomis win Tavis advokatTan gasaubrebas, rac SesaZloa, Zalian mniSvnelovani iyos ganaCenis gamotanisas. vgulisxmob, poziciaTa Sejerebas, rac SejibrebiTobas ufro gazrdis. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom SejibrebiToba erT-erTi umTavresi, yvelaze demokratiuli principia marTlmsajulebaSi. am iniciativis Sesaxeb ukve informirebulia umaRlesi sabWos yvela politikuri subieqti. rogorc umravlesobisgan, ise opoziciisganac gvaqvs mxardaWera. aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrobT, patimarTa Sesaxeb kanonSi cvlilebis miReba demokratiisken wingadadgmuli nabiji iqneba pozitiuri SedegiT – gansasjelebis uflebebis dacvis kuTxiT.
– komunistebis periodidan moyolebuli, rogorc Jurnalisti, cixeSi yovelgvari winaswari SeTanxmebis gareSe Sevdiodi, SezRudvebi dawesda saakaSvilis mosvlidan erT weliwadSi. mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi Jurnalistebi Tavisuflad aSuqebdnen patimrebis yofas. axla ra gamodis, e.w. demokratiis aRzevebisas, media am kuTxiT izRudeba?
– amaze gvqonda saubari sasjelaRsrulebis saministrosTan. gancxadebebic davagzavneT, rom Tu kvartalSi erTxel ara, weliwadSi erTxel mainc Sevidnen Jurnalistebi penitencialur dawesebulebebSi, raTa esaubron patimrebs, cxadia, Tuki amas moisurveben Tavad msjavrdebulebi. magram es sakiTxi jer kidev ar aris gadawyvetili. kanonmdeblobiT, mxolod saqarTvelos ki ara, mowinave qveynebsac aqvT msgavsi SezRudvebi. iqac arsebobs pirTa CamonaTvali, visac aqvs sapatimroSi Sesvlis ufleba. samwuxarod, Jurnalistebi am CamonaTvalSi ar Sedian. keTili nebis sakiTxia, ra Tqma unda, rom msgavsi RonisZiebebi permanentulad mainc dauSvan – meti gamWvirvalobisaTvis. es xom demokratiul standarts migvaaxloebs. gpirdebiT, TqvenTan erTad mzad var, es sakiTxi kidev erTxel davsva saTanado organoebis winaSe da uflebamosil pirebTan.
– ramdenadaa daculi patimarTa uflebebi, aris Tu ara dafiqsirebuli raime tipis gadacdomebi adamianur, humanur mopyrobasTan dakavSirebiT?
– yvela SemTxveva, rasac vafiqsireb, sajaro ganxilvisTvis gamomaqvs, rogorc ki gamovdivar penitencialuri dawesebulebidan. baTumis #3 dawesebulebaSi 10 Tve viyavi, rogorc patimari, Sedarebac ar SeiZleba maSindeli da axlandeli pirobebis. ar iyo telefoni (21-e saukuneSi), ar arsebobda xangrZlivi paemnis oTaxi, sakanSi 4-is nacvlad 24-30 patimari ijda, gadatenili iyo saknebi. Zili, Wama, wylis miwodeba, e.w. smenkebi (rigiTobiT rom iZinebdnen)… aRarafers vityvi arahumanur mopyrobasa da patimris uuflebobaze. axla kardinaluradaa Secvlili yvelaferi. axali amplua saSualebas maZlevs axlos gavecno patimarTa mdgomareobas. vcdilob, yvelas movusmino, gavacno maTi uflebebi da Sesabamisad, vkiTxo, rogor arseboben, ra saxis sakvebs iReben, gahyavT Tu ara saseirnod, sargebloben Tu ara telefoniT, samedicino momsaxurebiT da a.S. Tuki raime saxis problemas vismen, meored misvlisas aucileblad vinteresdebi, Tu gamosworda xarvezi, igive medikamentebis miRebis, mkurnalobis, sxva kuTxiT.
– mainc ra problemebs asaxelebdnen Tqveni monitoringis dros?
– umeteswilad, drouli samedicino momsaxurebis kuTxiT gamoTqvamdnen pretenziebs – post-operaciuli mdgomareobisas SesaZlo garTulebebze, damatebiTi kvlevebis Catarebis aucileblobaze, aseve, paemnebisa da satelefono saubrebis daSvebis sixSireze. ramdenime patimarma moiTxova maRaziaSi rZis produqtebis meti mravalferovneba. ukmayofileba gamoiTqva imazec, rom CvenTan, umaRles sabWoSi, korespondenciis gamogzavna fasiani gaxda. saangariSo periodSi erTma msjavrdebulma misi sisxlis samarTlis saqmis gadaxedvis mizniT, protestis ukidures formas – SimSilobas mimarTa, xolo meorem – sxeulis mZime dazianeba miiyena. roca Sevxvdi, miTxres, rom cixis TanamSromlebisadmi pretenzia ar gaaCndaT.
– iqneb aiZules ase eTqvaT?
– gamoricxulia, radgan #3 sapatimroSi, rogorc maRali riskis penitencialur dawesebulebaSi, mimdinareobs 24-saaTiani videomeTvalyureoba. nebismieri dapirispirebisas, SesaZloa video-firis amoReba da garkveva, ra moxda realurad. Tavs aRar SegawyenT sxvadasxva SemTxvevis moyoliT, getyviT imas, rom nebismieri monitoringis Semdeg vxvdebi administraciis warmomadgenlebs, samedicino personals garkveuli sakiTxebis adgilze myisieri reagirebis mizniT, konsultaciebs vmarTav Sesabamis uwyebebTanac. cxadia, sapatimroSi vizitebis dros patimrebTan saubars viwyeb SekiTxviT – arsebobs Tu ara raime tipis gadacdomebi adamianur, humanur mopyrobasTan dakavSirebiT, romelSic fsiqologiuri zewolac moiazreba. am kuTxiT raime gamokveTili faqti ar dasturdeba. minda aRvniSno, rom adamiani, romelsac garkveuli vadiT aRukveTes Tavisufleba, isedac dasjilia. ar SeiZleba misi sruli ganadgureba. mimaCnia, rom penitencialuri dawesebulebis mudmivi monitoringi da Sefasebebi xels Seuwyobs gamWvirvalobas da amdenad, sasjelis iseT pirobebSi moxdas, romelsac kanoni da demokratiuli mowyoba iTvaliswinebs adamianis resocializaciis, adamianuri mopyrobis standartis mixedviT. sasjelmoxdili pirovneba saerTo RirebulebebTan harmoniaSi myofi unda daubrundes sazogadoebas. swored amas iTvaliswinebs civiluri samyaros resocializaciis mTeli es procesi.
– Zalian rTulad dgas baTumSi bavSvTa uflebebis dacvis sakiTxi. savsea qalaqi mawanwala maTxovari bavSvebiT, romelTa ukan aSkarad dgas kriminaluri dajgufeba. ratom ar ikrZaleba bavSvTa maTxovroba, amiT xom am saxis kriminalic moispoba?
– absoluturad geTanxmebiT, es Cveni gamowvevaa. wels bevr sxva qveynis moqalaqes wavawydiT, romlebic bavSvebs amuSavebdnen mowyalebisTvis. specialurad am saqmisaTvis iyvnen sezonze Camosuli boSebi. Cven, policiis TanamSromlebTan erTad, ramdenjerme SevecadeT gagverkvia maTi vinaoba, Tumca amaod. gvqonda formaluri Tu araformaluri Sexvedrebi Ss saministros warmomadgenlebTan, visaubreT baTumis quCebSi miusafar bavSvTa ricxvis matebaze, romlebic ukanono `Sromas~ ewevian.
– raSi xedavT gamosavals?
– es sakmaod rTuli sakiTxia, vinaidan adgilze problemis prevenciisaTvis mniSvnelovania, baTumSi muSaobdes socialuri saagentos mobiluri jgufebi. Sss-s ubnis oficrebma unda awarmoon realuri gamoZieba problemis Tu konkretuli faqtebis gamovlenis mizniT. miuxedavad imisa, rom Cvens regionSi moqmedebs trefikingisa da Zaladobis msxverplTa, aseve maxinjauris dedaTa da bavSvTa TavSesafrebi, am dawesebulebebSi statusis miniWebis gareSe ver moxvdeba msxverpli. aseT bavSvTa interesebis gaTvaliswinebiT, mniSvnelovania Seiqmnas axali krizisuli centri, sadac quCaSi ayvanil bavSvebs moaTavseben, saganmanaTleblo procesSi CarTaven da yoveli maTganis individualur saWiroebas gaiTvaliswineben. sxvaTa Soris, regionisTvis aranaklebi problemaa arasrulwlovnebi, romlebic qveynis gareT ukanono SromiT migraciaSi imyofebian. vTvli, rom aucilebelia ganaTlebis saministrom gaaZlieros bavSvTa Sromis gamo swavlis mitovebis prevencia-aRricxva, xolo Sinagan saqmeTa saministrom reagireba moaxdinos SromiTi eqspluataciis SemTxvevebze.
– kidev raze muSaobT?
– vmuSaobT SSm da socialurad daucveli pirebis uflebrivi mdgomareobis gaumjobesebis kuTxiT samomavlo RonisZiebebis SemuSavebaze, usinaTloTa kavSiris problemebze, ojaxuri Zaladobis msxverplTa uflebriv dacvaze, policiis mier piris dakavebis arsebul meTodebze. sxvaTa Soris, SarSan iyo momarTvebi aseT darRvevebze, wels – ara, radgan ar dagvitovebia reagirebis gareSe arc erTi gancxadeba.
– gisurvebT warmatebebs!
