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3 oqtombers briuselSi natos Tavdacvis ministeriali gaixsna, romelmac or dRes gastana
ministerialSi Crdiloatlantikuri aliansis wevri qveynebis warmomadgenlebi monawileobdnen. ministerialis farglebSi nato-saqarTvelos sxdomac gaimarTa.
saqarTvelo natosTan or aTeul welze metia TanamSromlobs, Cveni qveynis usafrTxoebis da sagareo politikis erT-erTi mTavari prioriteti swored Crdiloatlantikur aliansSi gawevrianebaa, magram am dromde saqarTvelos gawevrianebis sakiTxi natos dRis wesrigSi ar damdgara. miuxedavad amisa, imeds mudmivad gvisaxaven, rom aucileblad gavxdebiT aliansis wevri.
– saqarTvelo Cvens yvelaze axlo partniorebs Sorisaa. Zalian vafasebT im wvlils, romelic saqarTvelos Setanili aqvs Cvens saerTo usafrTxoebaSi. saqarTvelo avRaneTSi Cveni misiis erT-erTi umsxvilesi kontributoria. ivlisis samitze aliansis liderebma kvlav daadastures, rom saqarTvelo natos wevri gaxdeba. es TanxvedraSia 2008 wlis buqarestis samitze Cven mier miRebul gadawyvetilebasTan. natos kari Ria rCeba, – ganacxada natos generalurma mdivanma iens stoltenbergma sagangebo brifingze. man ruseTs mouwoda, ukan waiRos afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTis aRiareba da Tavisi jarebi gaiyvanos saqarTvelos am ori regionidan.
– Cven aseve mivesalmeT im progress, romelic saqarTvelos aqvs reformebis ganxorcielebaSi. kerZod, esaa usafrTxoebisa da Tavdacvis ufro efeqturi institutebi da SeiaraRebuli Zalebis modernizeba. nato-saqarTvelos arsebiTi paketi ukve xels uwyobs saqarTvelos TavdacviT reformebs. saqarTvelom unda ganagrZos reformebis gza, – Tqva batonma stoltenbergma.
briuselSi gamarTul natos Tavdacvis ministerialze da zogadad Crdiloatlantikur aliansSi gawevrianebis perspeqtivebsa Tu xelisSemSlel faqtorebze `aWarasTan~ politologma aslan lorTqifaniZem isaubra.
– batono aslan, ra sakiTxebi ganixiles briuselSi natos Tavdacvis ministerialis farglebSi?
– ministeriali ori dRis ganmavlobaSi grZeldeboda. natos wevri qveynebis Tavdacvis ministrebma Tavdacvis xarjebis sakiTxi, natos Sekavebisa da Tavdacvis politika, CrdiloeT afrikasa da axlo aRmosavleTSi arsebuli arastabiluri viTareba ganixiles.
– ministerialis farglebSi nato-saqarTvelos sxdomac gaimarTa. raze isaubres sxdomaze da ra perspeqtivebi aqvs saqarTvelos evroatlantikuri integraciis kuTxiT?
– nato-saqarTvelos sxdomaze, romelic wevri qveynebis Tavdacvis ministrebis, natos generaluri mdivnisa da saqarTvelos Tavdacvis uwyebis xelmZRvanelis monawileobiT gaimarTa, nato-saqarTvelos TanamSromlobis yvela aspeqti ganixiles. aRniSnuli TanamSromloba gulisxmobs `erovnuli wliuri programiT~ gansazRvrul saqmianobas. is moicavs saqarTvelos demokratiul da Tavdacvis sferoSi TanamSromlobas da warmoadgens erTgvar `sagzao rukas~ natoSi integraciis gzaze. natoSi integraciis gza warmatebuli da perspeqtiulia Cveni qveynisTvis masSi gawevrianebis perspeqtivasTan SedarebiT, romelic gacilebiT rTuli procesia.
– natos generalurma mdivanma iens stoltenbergma sagangebo brifingze ganacxada, rom saqarTvelo momavalSi natos wevri gaxdeba… mainc rodis dadgeba es dro?
– es yvelaze aqtualuri kiTxvaa saqarTveloSi. sakiTxze mkafio da amomwuravi pasuxi gasca natos generaluri mdivnis specialurma warmomadgenelma kavkasiasa da centralur aziaSi jeims apaturaim. miuxedavad imisa, rom natos 2008 wlis buqarestis samitis Semdeg yvela rezoluciaSi aRniSnulia, rom saqarTvelo iqneba aliansis wevri, aravin icis, rodis gaxdeba Cveni qveyana natos wevri saxelmwifo an, saerTod, gaxdeba Tu ara, radgan es procesi mxolod natosa da saqarTveloze araa damokidebuli. Cveni mTavari amocana unda iyos am organizaciasTan mWidro TanamSromlobis gagrZeleba, masSi gawevrianeba ki didwilad damokidebulia saerTaSoriso politikur viTarebaze da kargi iqneba Tu masze naklebad vifiqrebT.
– mainc ra uSlis xels saqarTvelos natoSi gawevrianebas – politikuri neba Tu teqnikuri mxare?
– nato mxolod samxedro gaerTianeba araa, is politikuri aliansicaa. masSi gawevrianebis politikuri nawili pirobiTad 80 procents moicavs, xolo teqnikuri mxare 20 procents. teqnikur mxareSi igulisxmeba Cveni SeiaraRebuli Zalebis harmonizacia-standartizacia natos wevr qveynebTan da demokratiis xarisxi, xolo politikur nawilSi – natos SesaZlebloba da resursi, rom miiRos axali wevri qveyana Tavis rigebSi. am etapze natos SeeZlo montenegros miReba aliansis wevrad da ruseTis winaaRmdegobis miuxedavad, es gaakeTa kidec. axlo momavalSi misi geopolitikuri simZlavreebi sakmarisia makedoniis natos sruluflebian wevrad misaRebad da natos uaxloes samitze es moxdeba. saqarTvelo SeiZleba srulad ar akmayofilebdes natos wevrobis standartebs, Tumca am etapze masSi vergawevrianebis mTavari mizezia Tavad Crdiloatlantikuri aliansis arasakmarisi geopolitikuri simZlavreebi saimisod, amierkavkasiis mimarTulebiT rom gafarTovdes.
– natos generaluri mdivnis specialurma warmomadgenelma kavkasiasa da centralur aziaSi jeims apaturaim erT-erT qarTul onlaingamocemasTan saubrisas ganacxada, rom 2008 wlis agvistos cnobili movlenebi da dRemde saqarTvelos teritoriaze ruseTis jarebis ganlageba bevr rameze metyvelebs, anu saqarTvelos natoSi gawevrianebas ruseTi uSlis xels…
– ra Tqma unda, asea. Tumca amas sajarod aravin ambobs. rom ara ruseTis winaaRmdegoba da faqtori, saqarTvelo natos sruluflebiani wevri karga xania iqneboda. 2008 wlis agvistos omma Cveni ara marto natoSi integracia, aramed, zogadad, dasavluri integracia Seaferxa, evrokavSirsa da natoSi gawevrianeba ki gaurkveveli vadiT gadaavada. rusuli saokupacio samxedro bazebi saqarTveloSi aris Cveni ara marto evrokavSirsa da natoSi gawevrianebis, aramed, zogadad, qveynis ganviTarebis muxruWi.
– natoSi gawevrianebis imeds mudmivad gvisaxaven natos wevri qveynebi, magram MAP-ze am dromde uars gveubnebian. ratom? arada, natos ivlisis samitis deklaraciaSi SaviT TeTrze weria, rom saqarTvelo aliansis wevri mxolod samoqmedo gegmis miRebis Semdeg gaxdeba…
– samoqmedo gegmis gareSe saqarTvelo natos wevri ver gaxdeba, jeims apaturaim ki gulwrfelad gviTxra, rom am etapze aRniSnuli programis saqarTvelosTvis miniWeba aris safrTxis matarebeli da es Seicavs ruseTis agresiis ganmeorebis riskebs. saqarTvelosTvis natoSi gawevrianebis samoqmedo gegmis vermicema swored Cveni usafrTxoebis dacvas ukavSirdeba.
– apaturais TqmiT, natos wevri qveynebi, romlebic saqarTvelosTvis MAP-is miniWebas ar uWers mxars, acxadeben, rom samoqmedo gegma ar uzrunvelyofs usafrTxoebis garantiebs. usafrTxoebis garantiebs mxolod natos wevroba uzrunvelyofs. ras fiqrobT, MAP-is miniWeba, rogorc batoni apaturai irwmuneba, gazrdis saqarTvelos mimarT ruseTis agresiis riskebs?
– calsaxad gazrdis. amaze Riad saubroben ara marto dasavleli politikosebi da analitikosebi, aramed pirdapir acxadeben ruseTis xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebic. es mocemuloba ki bunebrivad gvibiZgebs vawarmooT Sedegze orientirebuli sagareo politika, anu maqsimalurad movaxdinoT sagareo aqtivobebis diversifikacia im CarCoebSi, rom gavagrZeloT natosa da evrokavSirTan TanamSromloba-integracia. am gzas ar aqvs alternativa. Tu gavyvebiT mixeil saakaSvilis da misi partiebis ritorikas, es gamoiwvevs 2008 wlis agvistos ganmeorebas da Cveni saxelmwifoebriobis dakargvas.
P.S. mkiTxvels, albaT, ar sWirdeba imis Sexseneba, rom nato saqarTvelos teritoriul mTlianobas mxars uWers, razec iens stoltenbergma natos Stab-binaSi gamarTul preskonferenciazec isaubra.
– Cven vaRiarebT da mxars vuWerT saqarTvelos teritoriul mTlianobas saerTaSorisod aRiarebuli sazRvrebis farglebSi. Cven ruseTs movuwodebT, gaauqmos afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTis damoukideblobis aRiareba, vinaidan es regionebi saqarTvelos nawilia. Cven aseve movuwodebT ruseTs, gaiyvanos Tavisi jarebi afxazeTidan da samxreT oseTidan. vfiqrob, uamravi mizezia imisa, Tu ratom unda movuwodoT ruseTs es. es saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobisa da suverenitetis pativiscemis erTaderTi saSualebaa, ra Tqma unda, aseve erTaderTi saSualebaa, gadaiWras is incidentebi, romelic ukavSirdeba saqarTveloSi mcxovrebi xalxisTvis ruseTis samxedro yofniT gamowveul problemebsa da gamowvevebs, – ganacxada natos generalurma mdivanma.
