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winasaarCevno foriaqisa da qaosis fonze, aWaris aRmasrulebeli da sakanonmdeblo organoebi Cveul reJimSi muSaoben. `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebi, erTi SexedviT, inarCuneben neitralitets, rac xels ar uSliT damoukidebeli kandidatis mxardasaWerad sakuTari Sexedulebebi daafiqsiron. ras fiqrobs am kuTxiT aWaris umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris moadgile merab karanaZe da ra miaCnia mmarTveli gundis warmatebad, amaze CvenTan interviuSi saubrobs.
– batono merab, am postze Tqveni daniSvnidan sakmao dro gavida. ra gakeTda am xnis ganmavlobaSi da riTi gamoirCeva amJamindeli mowvevis umaRlesi sabWo winamorbedebisgan?
– minda Tavidanve aRvniSno, rom am mowvevis umaRlesi sabWo marTlac gamorCeulia winamorbedebisgan rogorc Tavisi kompetenturobiT, ise nayofieri muSaobiT, efeqturi da moqnili politikis gatarebiT. marto is rad Rirs, rom sabWom miiRo aWaris faqtobrivad axali konstitucia.
– aWaras xom hqonda konstitucia?
– imdenad seriozuli cvlilebebi Sevida masSi, rom realurad, axali gamocema gamogvivida. es SesaZlebeli gaxda mxolod mas Semdeg, rac saqarTvelos parlamentma miiRo organuli kanoni aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis Sesaxeb. swored am kanonidan gamomdinare, Zalian seriozulad imuSava umaRlesma sabWom da miiRo es konstitucia kanonebisa da wesebis skrupulozuri dacviT. gulwrfelad vambob, ar darRveula arc erTi regulacia. sxvaTa Soris, konstituciis saboloo redaqciis Camosayalibeblad vawyobdiT misi kanonproeqtis ganxilvas Ria, saqmian Sexvedrebze. ar darCenila aWaris arc erTi raioni, arc erTi samoqalaqo organizacia, rom ar mogvewyo Ria ganxilva am Temaze. cxadia, viTvaliswinebdiT mosaxleobis winadadebebsa da SeniSvnebs.
– parlamentTan xom ar gqoniaT rig sakiTxebze uTanxmoeba?
– mogexsenebaT, konstitucia sabolood miRebulad iTvleba mxolod mas Semdeg, rac mas organuli kanoniT amtkicebs saqarTvelos parlamenti. parlamentTan sxvadasxva sakiTxis ganxilva-Sejerebis mizniT gavmarTeT samuSao Sexvedrebi. aranairi gaugebroba ar yofila, piriqiT, Cven Soris sruli urTierTgageba damyarda. erToblivad SevjerdiT yvela im mwvave sakiTxze, romelic kiTxvis niSnis qveS hqonda sazogadoebas.
– Tu SeiZleba erTi magaliTi mainc mogviyvanoT?
– iyo ramdenime msgavsi Tema. erT-erTi gaxldaT arCevnebis Catarebis wesis Sesaxeb. aWaris umaRlesi sabWosTvis ganisazRvra proporciuli da maJoritaruli wesiT arCevnebis Catareba. es sakiTxi iwvevda kiTxvebs rogorc Cveni deputatebis, ise politikuri wreebis warmomadgenelTa mxridan.
– sakanonmdeblo saqmianobis garda, ra miRwevebi aqvs umaRles sabWos? yofiTi problemebis gadawyvetas vgulisxmob…
– minda xazgasmiT aRvniSno – umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris daviT gabaiZis udidesi damsaxurebaa, rom axal simaRleze avida poloneTis regionis qvemo sileziasTan da germaniis brandenburgis mxaresTan urTierToba. mogexsenebaT, TbilisSi gaformda memorandumi sileziis seimsa da aWaris umaRles sabWos Soris, ris Sedegadac miviReT praqtikuli saqmianobisaTvis aucilebeli platforma, Caeyara safuZveli konkretul kavSirebs. maT Soris gamoirCeva jandacvis sfero, kerZod, eqimTa gadamzadebis programa, rasac kompetenturad axorcielebs poloneTis mxare. gadamzadebuli eqimebi ubrundebian aWaras axali codniT, motivaciiT aRWurvilni. isini iq miRebul gamocdilebas gadascemen kolegebs, gacilebiT ufro efeqturad muSaoben. es yvelaferi udides gavlenas axdens jandacvis sferos daxvewa-gaumjobesebaze.
– rogorc vici, studentTa gacvliTi programebic warmatebiT xorcieldeba.
– diax, es sakiTxic maRal donezea mogvarebuli. am programasac udidesi datvirTva aqvs Cveni axalgazrdobis profesiuli donis amaRlebisa da evropuli mentalobis CamoyalibebisaTvis. uamravi gacvliTi RonisZieba gaimarTa kulturis sferoSic, seriozuli TanamSromloba daiwyo inkluziuri ganaTlebis da SSm pirebisaTvis sxvadasxva servisis SesaTavazeblad aucilebeli infrastruqturis mowyobis kuTxiT. ar dagaviwydeT isic, rom politikis istoriaSi moxda uprecedento faqti – poloneTis qvemo sileziis seimma sxdomaze miiRo saqarTvelos mxardamWeri rezolucia okupaciis sakiTxebTan dakavSirebiT. SeiZleba Tamamad ganvacxadoT, rom regionalur doneze msgavsi saxis mxardaWera jer arsad dafiqsirebula.
– germaniasTan Tu moxerxda konkretuli kavSirebis damyareba?
– iqac kargad midis saqme. brandenburgis mxaris bolo vizitis Semdeg Camoyalibda imedismomcemi viTareba. ukve gamoikveTa saerTo Tvalsazrisi ama Tu im sakiTxis irgvliv da rigi saintereso winadadebebi. vfiqrob, Sors aRaraa is dro, roca brandenburgis xelmZRvaneli pirebi wamovlen konkretul kavSirebze, rac, cxadia, pozitiurad aisaxeba Cveni reegionis mosaxleobaze.
– opoziciis warmomadgenlebi xSirad saubroben biujetis Tanxebis aramiznobriv xarjvaze…
– Cven gaTvlili gvaqvs sabiujeto Tanxebis yvela TeTri da veravin daasabuTebs sawinaaRmdegos. piriqiT, am kuTxiT marTlac uzarmazari winsvlaa. bolo ori wlis ganmavlobaSi mkveTrad gaizarda aWaris biujeti. arnaxuli, grandiozuli proeqtebis ganxorcieleba daviwyeT swored adgilobrivi finansebiT. rogor SeiZleba ar aRvniSnoT stadionis mSeneblobis dawyeba, romelsac aTwleulebia, ar daayenes saSveli, an is, rom gveqneba Tanamedrove inventariT aRWurvili sportis sasaxleebi. sacurao auzica da ufro didi yinulis moedanic gakeTdeba, radgan am sferoSi marTlac dafiqsirda garkveuli warmatebebi. romeli erTi davasaxelo… ar dagaviwydeT isic, rom zemo aWaris gazificireba, kerZod, salibauri-xiWauris marSruti dasrulebis etapzea. aWaris mTavrobam gamoacxada tenderi da daiwyeba meore etapis samuSaoebic – xiWauri-goderZis uReltexilze. vimedovnebT, es proeqtic warmatebiT ganxorcieldeba, ris Sedegadac dasruldeba aWaris maRalmTiani raionebis gazificireba, zarzmidan adigenis mimarTulebiT gazsadenis mSeneblobis dasrulebis Semdeg ki Seikvreba wredi, rac aucilebelia gamarTuli gazificirebisaTvis.
– rac Seexeba gzebs…
– wvrilman proeqtebze aRar SevCerdebi, aRvniSnav avtobanis mSeneblobas, romelsac axorcielebs saqarTvelos regionuli ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis saministro. aseve, turistul sezonze gaixsna estakada – SemovliTi gza baTumis portTan. mimdebare infrastruqturuli samuSaoebi jer kidev mimdinareobs da male dasruldeba. aseve Zalian swrafad moxerxda sportuli nagebobebis aSeneba-mopirkeTeba. msoflio saWadrako olimpiadac pompezurad gaixsna, uaRresad STambeWdavi, dauviwyari sanaxaoba iyo. ar gadavaWarbeb Tu vityvi, rom saWadrako olimpiadis msgavsi gaxsna arc erT qveyanaSi ar yofila. aTwleulebis ganmavlobaSi sportis sfero yuradRebis miRma rCeboda sxvadasxva mTavrobas, ramac gamoiwvia TviTganadgurebis Seuqcevadi procesi da es negatiurad aisaxa Cveni axalgazrdebis ganviTarebaze. aucilebelia aRdges sportuli bazebi, gadamzaddnen mwvrTnelebi da yvela saWiro atributika xelmisawvdomi gaxdes Cveni momavali Taobis warmomadgenlebisTvis. swored am kuTxiT vmuSaobT da darwmunebuli var, male vixilavT Cveni sportsmenebis warmatebebs.
– ratom ar waradgina prezidentobis kandidati `qarTulma ocnebam~?
– Cvenma politikurma gundma marTlac uprecedento gadawyvetileba miiRo – mxari daeWira damoukidebeli kandidatisTvis mas Semdeg, rac sabolood daregistrirdeboda ceskoSi. amiT politsabWom xazi gausva demokratiulobis princips.
– ratom mainc da mainc salome zurabiSvili? iqneb imitom, rom mas da baton biZina ivaniSvils aerTianebT safrangeTis yofili moqalaqeoba, msgavsi mentaliteti?
– msgavsi ram aravis mosvlia azrad. ganmsazRvreli aRmoCnda qalbatoni salomes uzado pirovnuli Tvisebebi, Tanac qveynisTvis, romelsac evropisken aqvs gezi aRebuli, vfiqrob, ar iqneba urigo, prezidentad hyavdes evropuli mentalitetis adamiani, romelsac gaaCnia seriozuli kavSirebi iqaur elitasTan da mmarTvel wreebTan. miuxedavad imisa, rom oponentebi talaxSi svrian qalbatoni salomes saxels, veravin uaryofs mis uzarmazar wvlils ruseTis jarebis saqarTvelodan gayvanis procesSi. am fonze gaugebaria, ratom eZaxian mas ruseTumes da ama Tu im qveynis agents. axla gaxda salome zurabiSvili `pariJanka~ zog-zogisTvis? maxsovs, roca safrangeTidan zar-zeimiT Camoiyvanes da miSas sagareo ministrad dainiSna, yvela aRfrTovanebiT ukravda taSs, xolo rodesac viRac-viRacebma TavianT Wkuaze ver atares, daatovebines Tanamdeboba da wyalSi Cauyares is Rvawli, rac saqarTvelos samsaxurSi Cado. mTavrobis gareT darCenili salome zurabiSvili ar gaqceula safrangeTSi, piriqiT, darCa CvenTan da bolomde idga qveynis bed-iRbalze Sewuxebuli xalxis gverdiT. mas arasodes aravisi SeSinebia, igi WeSmariti qarTvelia, istoriul samSobloze bavSvobidan Seyvarebuli, patrioti da SeuZlebelia es ar dainaxo mTel mis moRvaweobaSi.
– ra migaCniaT `qarTuli ocnebis~ mTavar monapovrad?
– adamianis uflebebisa da Tavisuflebis dacva. vTvli, rom es namdvilad aris mmarTveli partiis monapovari. kargad icis yvelam, ra daujda Cvens gunds samarTlebrivi saxelmwifos Camosayalibeblad uamrav danaSaulebriv qmedebaze Tvalis daxuWva, radgan am qmedebaTa samarTlebrivi mtkicebulebebis mopoveba SeuZlebeli gaxda. Teoriulad yvelam yvelaferi viciT TiTqos, magram faqtebisa da mowmeTa Cvenebebis gareSe ver daapatimreb adamians. mas sasjeli saasamarTlom unda Seufardos saTanado gamoZiebis Sedegad mopovebuli samxilebis safuZvelze. Cven arc sxvadasxva uwyebaSi momuSave `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mimdevrebi gagviTavisuflebia dakavebuli Tanamdebobebidan. garwmunebT, nebismieris saqme, misi politikuri Sexedulebebis miuxedavad, mxolod da mxolod samarTlebriv CarCoebSi ixileboda.
– amdeni sikeTis miuxedavad, mainc mZimea saerTo socialuri foni, umuSevrobis statistikac ar gvamSvidebs…
– Sors var im azrisgan, rom yvelaferi idealurad gvaqvs saxelmwifoSi. SesaZloa, rig Secdomebsac vuSvebT, magram scdeba is, vinc muSaobs, raRacas akeTebs. mTavaria, davinaxoT ra SegveSala da gamovasworoT. Cven nabij-nabij mivdivarT samarTlebrivi, myari ekonomikis mqone saxelmwifos mSeneblobis rTul gzaze. SeuZlebelia xelis erTi dakvriT socialuri fonis gaumjobeseba. dangreul-gaubedurebul ekonomikas, romlis safuZvlad daSinebuli, daterorebuli biznesmenebi iyvnen miCneuli, ramdenime weliwadSi ver aayvaveb. vici, mesmis, mosaxleoba daiRala, mobezrda lodini, magram yvela kargad xedavs, rom umjobesdeba cxovrebis done, izrdeba xelfasebi, eqsport-importi. sxvadasxva qveyanasTan kontaqtebi iZleva CvenTan maRali standartebis Sesabamisi servisebis danergvis SesaZleblobas, rac TavisTavad zrdis turistTa ricxvs. amasTan, viTvisebT axal teqnologiebs, vecnobiT mowinave qveynebis gamocdilebas, vaanalizebT ramdenime variants da saukeTesos vnergavT qveynis ekonomikaSi, raTa saqarTvelo swrafad dadges fexze. Tu gvinda mdidar qveyanaSi cxovreba, Sroma da swavla ar unda davizaroT. sxvagvarad araferi gamogviva. TandaTan mivdivarT win da vimedovneb, Sors aRaraa is dro, yvela problemis Zirfesvianad aRmofxvras rom SevZlebT.
