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am mowvevis aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputatebis umravlesoba erTxmad amtkicebs, rom winamorbedebTan SedarebiT ufro efeqturia maTi sakanonmdeblo da praqtikuli saqmianoba. ra gakeTda da ra aris
dagegmili – amaze saubrobs umaRlesi sabWos wevri, fraqcia `qarTuli ocneba – maJoritarebis~ da aWaris profesiuli kavSirebis
gaerTianebis Tavmjdomare ilia verZaZe
– Tqven mier inicirebul romel axal kanonproeqtebs unda velodoT uaxloes momavalSi?
– Cemi inicirebuli ori kanonproeqti, erTi – fraqciis meore ki – komitetis saxeliT, mzaddeba. pirveli iTvaliswinebs aWaraSi mcxovreb saqarTvelos moqalaqeTa garkveuli kategoriisaTvis daxmarebis daniSvnas pensiaze danamatis saxiT. proeqti `aWaris avtonomiur respublikaSi socialuri daxmarebis damatebiTi dafinansebis Sesaxeb~ praqtikulad mzadaa. gaTvlilia 18 wlamde SSm pirTaTvis da reintegrirebuli ojaxebisTvis. jerjerobiT, am kategoriis xalxis daxmarebas vcdilobT, Semdeg, vimedovnebT, gafarTovdeba beneficiarTa sia, vinaidan am adamianebis pensiasa da saxelmwifo pensias Soris warmoiqmna mkveTri sxvaoba, ris Sevsebasac vgegmavT.
– Tqven xazi gausviT, rom proeqti mzaddeba aWaraSi mcxovrebi mosaxleobisTvis, saqarTvelos danarCen regionebze ar gavrceldeba?
– albaT gavrceldeba Tbilisze an im municipalitetebze, romelTac aqvT sakuTari Semosavlebi. aWaras aqvs saSu-aleba, daexmaros sakuTar mosaxleobas da SevecadeT, gamogveyenebina Cveni finansuri mdgomareoba.
– sakmaod didi xania saubaria am kanonproeqtze. aqamde ratom ar damtkicda?
– velodebodiT sakonstitucio cvlilebebs. wina konstituciiT SezRuduli iyo iniciativebis ufleba, sakanonmdeblo saqmianoba ki gansazRvruli iyo konkretuli muxlebiT. amis gamo veraviTar improvizacias ver SevZlebdiT. axali konstitucia farTo SesaZleblobebs iZleva da ar zRudavs kanonSemoqmedebiT saqmianobas.
– meore kanonproeqti ras exeba?
– turistul saqmianobas aWaraSi. Tuki kanonSi es cvlileba miiRes, bevr sferos daaregulirebs turizmis kuTxiT. garda amisa, mniSvnelovnad mimaCnia isic, rom Cven socialuri partniorobis Seqmnas CavuyareT safuZveli, rac Cemi orive samsaxuris TankveTas iTvaliswinebs, anu moxdeba xelisuflebis, dasaqmebulebis da damsaqmeblebis Zalisxmevis gaerTianeba SromiTi bazris gaumjobesebisTvis. sastumro `SeratonSi~, socialuri partniorobis sammxriv sxdomaze SeTanxmebas moewera xeli, rac iTvaliswinebs dasaqmebulebis SromiTi pirobebis gaumjobesebas, sawarmos mflobelebTan urTierTobis kanonier doneze Camoyalibebas da TiToeulis SromiTi uflebebis realizebas. socialuri partniorobis sammxrivi komisia civilizebuli formaa ganviTarebuli qveynebisTvis. igi tripartizmis princips eyrdnoba da minda siamayiT aRvniSno, rom Cven, faqtobrivad, erT-erTi mowinaveebi varT evropaSi, romlebmac regionis doneze ganvavrceT es praqtika. ramdenime Tvis win dakompleqtda komisia, romelSic aWaris mTavrobis, aWaris damsaqmebelTa gaerTianebebis da aWaris profkavSirebis warmomadgenlebi Sedian. intensiurad imarTeba treningebi, Sexvedrebi Sromis saerTaSoriso organizaciaTa monawileobiT. garda amisa, umaRles sabWos gvqonda vizitebi partnior regionebTan. piradad me CarTuli var poloneTis qvemo sileziis mxaresTan urTierTobis gaRrmavebaSi.
– qvemo sileziasTan urTierTobebi am bolos Cveni kanonmdeblebisTvis sayvareli Tema gaxda…
– es imitom, rom weliwad-naxevarSi mivaRwieT Zalian bevrs. orive mxaris samedicino sazogadoeba imdenad daaxlovda, rom ukve uCvenod urTierToben da Tavad warmarTaven Cveni eqimebis kvalifikaciis amaRlebis process. aseve davakavSireT sportsmenebi. kalaTburTis baTumis klubis prezidentsa da vroclavis klubis xelmZRvanels Soris Sedga winaswari molaparakeba. vimedovneb, gaagrZeleben kontaqts, ris Sedegadac Cveni axalgazrdebi iq iTamaSeben. SesaZloa, romelime SeamCnios evropuli gundis mwvrTnelma da sul sxvagvari perspeqtivebi gamouCndes. poloneli sportsmenebic, TavianTi mxriv, dainteresebulebi arian Cvens zRvispireTSi wvrTnebis CatarebiT. aseve, erTmaneTs ekontaqtebian da gastrolebsac Tavad gegmaven kulturis sferos warmomadgenlebi. cekvisa Tu simReris ansamblebi karga xania atareben warmatebul koncertebs qvemo sileziis sxvadasxva qalaqSi. davakontaqteT arasamTavrobo organizaciebic… anu politikosebis funqciaa swored es – gza gavukvaloT sxvadasxva dargis warmomadgenlebs, raTa SeZlon urTierTsarfiani kontaqtebis damyareba ucxoeTSi.
– ekonomikuri kuTxiT Tu gaqvT siaxleebi?
– rogor ara, CvenTvis erT-erTi upirvelesi iyo dagvekavSirebina biznesmenebi. ukve Sedga ormxrivi viziti da bevri poloneli mewarme dainteresda aqauri biznespotencialiT. gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovani momentia isic, rom poloneTSi Zalian dabalia umuSevroba. aqedan gamomdinare, maT sWirdebaT kvalificiuri muSaxeli. iyo saubrebi, rom aqedan waiyvandnen da samuSaod idealur pirobebs Seuqmnidnen Cvens moqalaqeebs. ar SemiZlia ar aRvniSno – iseTi megobruli urTierToba Camoyalibda Cven Soris, rom medalic ki gadasces aWaris umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomares daviT gabaiZes regionTa urTierTobaSi Setanili wvlilisTvis.
– oponentTa gancxadebiT, umaRlesi sabWo Tavs ver arTmevs dakisrebul movaleobas…
– rogorc ar unda ecadon oponentebi procesis marginalizacias, 2 wlis ganmavlobaSi konstitucias rom miiReb, ramdenime mniSvnelovan kanonproeqts rom SeimuSaveb, saerTaSoriso urTierTobebs iseT doneze aiyvan, rom am urTierTobiT ramdenime gansxvavebuli dargis warmomadgenlebi isargebleben, dameTanxmeT, ar aris patara saqme. miuxedavad usafuZvlo braldebisa, mixaria, rom Cemi wvlilicaa am procesSi.
– maJoritarul saqmianobas ra rakursiT agrZelebT?
– isev im rutinul rakursSi, rogorc adre. maJoritari valdebulia mudam kavSiri hqondes Tavis amomrCevelTan. dResac 4-6 saaTamde maqvs miReba. iq, javaxiSvilis #70-Si, moqalaqeebi movlen gansxvavebuli moTxovnebiT. zogierTs vuwyvet problemas, zogs vuxsni, ratom ver SevZleb daxmarebas, zogsac vSuamdgomlob saTanado uwyebebTan da vexmarebi iuridiuli konsultaciebiT. mTavaria, adamianebs mxarSi daudge da daanaxo, rom misi pirovneba, misi problemebi SenTvis ar aris meorexarisxovani da yovelTvis mzad xar daxmarebisTvis. yvelafers vakeTeb, rac Cems kompetenciaSia. praqtikulad, Cemamde mosuli moqalaqe kmayofili rCeba.
– ZiriTadad, ras iTxoven?
– metwilad socialuri, dasaqmebis, sayofacxovrebo sakiTxebis mogvareba gviwevs. zogierTi mkurnalobis dafinansebis SuamdgomlobisTvis mogvmarTavs. xdeba isec, rom Tovlis an Zlieri wvimis Sedegad dazaralebulebi operatiul daxmarebas iTxoven. meria isedac akeTebs yvelafers am kuTxiT, magram ratomRac miaCniaT, rom deputatis CareviT ufro daaCqareben saqmes. mec aravis vamadli zedmetad sityviT Sewevnas, Tuki amiT gavaxareb.
– rac Seexeba saprezidento arCevnebs, amboben, salome zurabiSvils `qarTuli ocneba~ imitom uWers mxars, biZina ivaniSvilTan safrangeTis moqalaqeobis warsuli da erTnairi mentaliteti akavSirebso…
– nebismieri saqme SesaZloa, lokalurad ganvixiloT raRac WrilSi, sadac esa Tu is simarTle iqneba Warbad. ori adamianis samoqalaqo davas cal-calke rom CavuRrmavdeT, orive marTali aRmoCndeba. amitomac mimaCnia, rom sakiTxis fragmentulad warmoCena ar aris swori. gaixseneT, 2012 wels, roca `qarTuli ocneba~ qveynis saTaveSi movida, maSinve ganacxada, rom iqneboda demokratiuli principebis matarebeli. maSindelma premierma Tqva: `Sevecdebi partias mimarTuleba mivce da gadavdgebi, Semdeg ki aqtiur samoqalaqo poziciaze gadaval~. yvelaferi, rac iTqva, gamarTlda. CvenTan gadawyvetilebebi miiReba ubralod, naturalurad, adekvaturad da yovelgvari qveteqstebis gareSe. gaixseneT, ra ambavi atexes biZina ivaniSvilze. jer yvirodnen – ratom ar gadadgao, Semdeg gadadga da – ratom gadadga, sad migvatovao. ar SeiZleba yvelaferSi oponireba. uamravi winasaarCevno kampania gvinaxavs. igi nebismier qveyanaSi mwvaved mimdinareobs. kompromatebis omic miRebulia, magram zomierebis zRvars aravin gadadis. uzrdeloba, uxamsoba, gaborotebuli qceva, xalxis daSineba – es binZuri meTodebia. Cven Tavidanve gamovacxadeT, rom ar davasaxelebdiT prezidentobis kandidats. ra saWiroa bnel oTaxSi Savi katis Zebna?.. Tavidanve imitom varCieT salome zurabiSvili, rom realurad sjobs yvelas. amis mixvedra Zneli aravisTvisaa.
– ra funqciebi eqneba prezidents?
– misi uflebebi Zalian SezRudulia. es Cveni mogonili ar aris. kargad iciT, saakaSvils surda, ucxoelebTan Tavis gamarTlebis mizniT, Semdegi arCevnebiT axali postis gamzadeba – premieris savarZeli, magram ver gaTvala sakuTari Zalebi, waago da TamaSgare poziciaSi aRmoCnda. mis mier Tavis droze gatarebuli saparlamento politika ki CvenTvis marTlac misaRebi aRmoCnda, am gzas vagrZelebT… da radgan vagrZelebT, klasikurad unda mivyveT im wesebs, rac saparlamento respublikas axasiaTebs, anu pirveli piri aris premier-ministri, igi gankargavs biujets, parlamenti ki kontrols awesebs, ris Sedegadac praqtikuli xelmZRvaneli da warmmarTveli Zalaa, radgan Sedgeba xalxis ndobis mandatiT aRWurvili deputatebisgan – maT miando sazogadoebam qveynis bedi. es aris am wyobis martivi formula, romelSic prezidenti mxolod simbolur datvirTvas iZens.
– amitom ar daasaxela mmarTvelma partiam kandidati?
– diax, simboluri datvirTvis matarebeli pirovnebis sayovelTao wesiT arCeva ar aris gamarTlebuli arc xarjis, arc aJiotaJis TvalsazrisiT. vfiqrob, xalxi amas xvdeba da adekvatur gadawyvetilebas miiRebs, Tumca oponentebs es ar amSvidebT da afrqveven ararsebul dapirebebs, abneven xalxs, pensiebiT da komunalurebiT apelireben, arada, kargad ician, rom am sferoebTan prezidents Sexeba ar eqneba. vis ar unda pensiis gazrda, magram yvelam icis, rom es warmoudgenelia axlandeli biujetis farglebSi.
– Tqven ar giTqvamT – ratom mainc da mainc salome zurabiSvili?
– Sevecdebi gagacnoT am kuTxiT Cemi mosazreba. daviwyoT braldebebiT. qarTuli ar iciso, dauCemebiaT. bevr politikoss eSleba ritorika da uWirs masmediasTan azris literaturuli qarTuliT gadmocema, Tumca aqamde es aravis uxsenebia. gaixseneT, rogor gvixaria, roca Cveni emigrantebi qarTulad or-sam sityvas gadaabamen. aRfrTovanebiT vukravT taSs, axla ki ra dagvemarTa? an omTan dakavSirebiT ususur braldebas rom uyeneben, aviwydebaT, swored salome zurabiSvilma gaiyvana ruseTis jari qveynidan… mogexsenebaT, prezidenti, misi amJamindeli funqciiT, qveynis prezentatori unda gaxldeT. dameTanxmeT, qalbaton salomes ar aklia arc mentaliteti, arc inteleqti da arc ganaTleba. saqarTvelodan gaZevebuli niko nikolaZis SviliSvilis samSobloSi prezidentad dabruneba istoriuli samarTlianobis aRdgenacaa. Cven amiT unda viamayoT.
