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miiCneven saarCevno procesSi CarTvas miuReblad da ras prognozireben, amaze saubrobs aWaris umaRlesi sabWos da `demokratiuli moZraoba –
erTiani saqarTvelos~ politikuri gaerTianebis politsabWos wevri giorgi cincqilaZe
– batono giorgi, rogor SeafasebT qveyanaSi dRes arsebul viTarebas?
– samwuxarod, qveynis saSinao da sagareo politikuri mdgomareoba ukiduresad mZimea. amis Sesaxeb sajarodac vacxadebdiT da yovelTvis vurCevdiT `qarTuli ocnebis~ mmarTvel gunds, socialuri sferosTvis mieqcia yuradReba, magram aravin gvismenda. amis ugulebelyofiT ra Sedegsac miaRwies, dRes TvalnaTliv dainaxa yvelam. arCevnebis pirveli turis Sedegebma daadastura, rom xalxi mZime dReSia. warmoidgineT, isini, vinc 2012 wels, sakuTari kalmistrebiT mividnen saarCevno yuTebTan da `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mmarTvelobis sastiki reJimis dasamxobad da samarTlianobis aRsadgenad `qarTul ocnebas~ misces xma, dRes an sulac ar gamocxadebulan saarCevno ubanSi an `nacionalebs~ misces xma. maT dainaxes, rom am eqvsi wlis ganmavlobaSi araferi gakeTebula xalxis sasikeTod. marto is rad Rirs, rom biZina ivaniSvili, romelsac xalxma Caabara ndobis mandati, wavida politikidan, axla ki, gaugia, rom qveyanaSi umZimesi mdgomareobaa da isev apirebs dabrunebas. xelisuflebaSi mosvlisas rasac pirdebi mosaxleobas, valdebuli xar gaakeTo. gaixseneT, ra perspeqtivebs gviSlida win Cveni biznesmeni – dens, gazs, wyals gavaiafeb, pensiebs gavzrdio. Tavad xedavT, rom araferi Secvlila. ukacravad, Seicvala uaresobisken – sabanko procentebis usaSvelo zrdam, laris kursis dacemam da inflaciam ukiduresi siRaribis zRvarze miiyvana mosaxleoba. ar daviwyeb, ra, rogor iyo 9 wlis win. amis analizi Tavad xalxma gaakeTos. warsuliT ratom vcxovrobT, ra keTdeba, axla imaze vilaparakoT.
– `qarTul ocnebas~ yvelaze did monapovrad sityvis Tavisufleba miaCnia…
– ki batono, rac aris, aris. `dubinkebiT~ ar gvcemen Sua quCaSi, magram ramdenjer unda vaqoT moqmedi xelisufleba amis gamo? media rom Tavisufalia da sityva eTqmiT adamianebs, es Zalian kargia, am kuTxiT marTlac bevri ram gakeTda, magram rodesac qveyanaSi aRviraxsnilobaa, xolo sadaveebi ar uWiravs mmarTvel partias, amis gamo xdeba, rac moxda.
– aRviraxsnilobaSi ras gulisxmobT?
– rodesac `ocneba~ laparakobs im 9 welze, gaixsenos salariZe, maCalikaSvili, farcxalaZe, is usamarTloba, romelic qarTvelma xalxma kargad dainaxa. isic iciT, iqiT, axalcixeSi rac xdeba… mmarTvel partias unda scodnoda, msgavsi midgomebiT rasac moimkida. kidev, aq `gabrazebuli baTumelebi~ daemata. ras niSnavs gabrazebuli? arCevnebze, faqtobrivad, arc misula es xalxi. ra egonaT `qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebs, Cveulebrivad mividodnen adamianebi da udrdtvinvelad Semoxazavdnen 48 nomers maSin, roca am xnis ganmavlobaSi ukmayofilebas ar faravdnen dasaxelebuli kandidatis gamo?
– `qarTuli ocneba~ Tvlida, rom damoukidebel kandidatTa Soris, saprezidentod, zepartiuli salome zurabiSvili iyo erTaderTi Rirseuli pirovneba…
– swored am `zepartiulobam~ Seuqmna `qarTul ocnebas~ areuli situacia. es yvelaferi cudad aisaxa amomrCevelze da miviReT savalalo Sedegi…
– am areulobaSi Tqven sad dgaxarT, ra pozicia gikaviaT?
– rodesac davinaxeT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ qveynis konstituciis `Wra-kerviT~ iyo dakavebuli, gavarkvieT, rom sabolood daaknines prezidentis instituti…
– es xom saakaSvilis wamowyebuli iyo?
– mere, eseni ra, mimdevrebi iyvnen Tu ratom gaagrZeles ase muyaiTad misi saqme? mosaxleoba ki airCevs am bolo arCeviT prezidents, magram rad undaT, mas araviTari uflebebi aRar eqneba, mTavarsardloba SeunarCunes, magram premier-ministris gareSe verafers SesZlebs.
– qalbatonma ninom ratom ar iyara kenWi?
– ratom unda mieRo am farsSi monawileoba? 2013 wels saprezidento arCevnebis dros kardakar davdiodiT, kargad vicodiT vin gviWerda mxars da vin ara, bevri Cveni momxre imedgacruebuli darCa, radgan mesame adgilze gavediT. meore adgilze baqraZe gaiyvanes. axlaxan, nino burjanaZem pirdapir eTerSi gaixsena es ambebi. 2017 wels ki, faqtobrivad, Tavze gadagviares.
– TvliT, rom gaayalbes maSin arCevnebi?
– aba ra qnes. Tu ar iyo gayalbebuli, rom vTxovdiT, erTi ubani mainc gaexsnaT TbilisSi da gadaemowmebinaT, ratom ar gaxsnes da ar daarwmunes sapirispiroSi opozicia? maSin ganacxada qalbatonma ninom, Tuki ar gamarTldeboda misi molodini, ramdenime xnis ganmavlobaSi saerTod Camocildeboda politikas. ra SiSi hqondaT aseTi, rom ar dayabuldnen. aWaraSi xmebis 7% – ori mandati movipoveT umaRles sabWoSi, magram `qarTulma ocnebam~ erTi mandati mogvpara. gavasaCivreT sxvadasxva instanciaSi, Tumca verafers mivaRwieT. ra Tqma unda, ver vipovidiT samarTals iq, sadac sasamarTlo struqturebSi igive murusiZeebia Catovebuli. aravin SeucvliaT arc sasamarTloSi da arc prokuraturaSi.
– riT xsniT amas?
– piradad me sul vacxadebdi umaRles sabWoSi, iseTi STabeWdileba mrCeba, rom biZina ivaniSvils surs xelisufleba `nacionalur moZraobas~ ukanve gadaabaros.
– axlandel prezidents, margvelaSvils rogor SeafasebdiT?
– ganaTlebuli, sasiamovno garegnobis kacia, magram Tamadad xom ar virCevdiT, prezidenti politikosi unda iyos… TiTqos ewinaaRmdegeboda premiers, Tumca sxvadasxva kandidatis SeTavazebis miuxedavad, mainc `qarTuli ocnebidan~ dasaxelebuli Tornike riJvaZe daniSna aWaris mTavrobis xelmZRvanelad. erT TamaSs TamaSoben esenic da `nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebic. wlebia bokeriasTan aqvs garigeba biZina ivaniSvils. Turme axla dainaxes, rom erTi yofila `evropuli saqarTvelo~ da `nacionaluri moZraoba~. es gamoiwvia iman, rasac daarqva ivaniSvilma `Sua gakrefva~. `gakrefvaSi~ man Cveni partia igulisxma.
– ratom miiReT sakuTar Tavze?
– imitom, rom pirdapir acxadebda amas. baTumSi, universitetSi gamarTul Sexvedraze dagvemuqrnen scenidan, Tqven opozicia ki ara provokatorebi xarT da xalxis fuls WamTo. ra fuls, Cven mier mopovebuli dafinanseba viRac jojuas misces, `qristian-demokratebis~ wevrs, aranairad rom ar Canda politikaSi. wulukianis didi damsaxurebaa imaSi, rom `gagvkrifes~ politikuri asparezidan, magram Cven ki ara, sinamdvileSi Tavi gaikrifes da im naRmze, Cven rom Cagvides, Tavad afeTqdnen.
– jer kidev winaa meore turi, ratom migaCniaT rom afeTqdnen?
– afeTqdnen, aba ra qnes… praqtikulad, aWara wagebuli aqvT. saqarTvelos masStabiTac TiTqmis igive situaciaa. axla `nacionalebi~ ar daTmoben poziciebs.
– TqvenTvis romeli kandidaturaa misaRebi – vaSaZis Tu zurabiSvilis?
– arc erTi. Cvens mxardamWerebs movuwodebT, movidnen arCevnebze da orive gadaxazon, gaabaTilon biuletenebi. ra unda davijeroT vaSaZis, bodiSebs rom ixdis da gamovswordebiTo, is? am asakSi gamosworebuli vin ginaxavT? rac Seexeba salomes – `qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebs, romlebic araseriozulad uyureben prezidentis instituts, egonaT, inerciiT gamouvidodaT yvelaferi, magram ar gamouvidaT. bukletebic ki ar daubeWdavT, araTu srulfasovani winasaarCevno kampania awarmoes. msgavsi farsi jer ar minaxavs.
– amboben, damoukidebeli kandidatia da ar vereviTo…
– rogor ar erevian. kaxi kalaZe dayveboda yvelgan. Tavad biZina ivaniSvilic gamovida da xalxs Seexvewa, am erTxelac damxaTreT da salome airCieTo. ramdenjer unda viqonioT misi xaTri an ratom? margvelaSvils sul ar vicnobdiT da misi kandidatura rom iyo, imitom airCies. ramdeni premieri gauSva… axali Tavis mxriv Tavis kadrebs waradgens… gaixseneT, viTom xalxis arCeuli xulos meri goCa melaZe, sakuTari gancxadebis safuZvelze saxlSi gauSves. rom vikiTxe, ratom wavida – ar SeeZlo da ase gadawyvitao, mipasuxes. is kaci, melaZe ki sityviT gamodis, `qarTul ocnebas~ mxars vuWer da misTvis vibrZolebo. Tuki brZola SeeZlo, ra undoda saxlSi? xom xedavT, ra gaugebrobebs vawydebiT. es iuridiuladaa gaugebari, Torem yvelam yvelaferi viciT. axla baTumis mers miadgnen, arCevnebi saTanadod ver warmarTao, misi moSoreba undaT. qalaqis meri ra SuaSia? amdeni deputati hyavT, biuroebi aqvT maJoritarebs gaxsnili. aravin arafers akeTebda. Tavi Tu gtkiva, kidurebi xom ar unda daiWra, problema TavSi unda mospo. xalxis mier arCeuli meri ratom unda wavides saxlSi? ra upasuxismgeblobaa. xalxs eseni ver moatyueben. xalxi brZenia da kargad icis, rac xdeba. swored amitom vTqvi da kidev gavimeoreb, amaT `nacionalebisTvis~ xelisuflebis gadabareba surT.
– raSi xedavT gamosavals?
– unda gamoCndes mesame politikuri Zala. nino burjanaZe iTxovda eTerSi Tavisi programis gaJRerebas, magram ver moaxerxa. Cven arasodes mogvityuebia mosaxleoba. marTalia, davpirdiT, xelisuflebaSi mosvlas da ver SevZeliT, magram merwmuneT, amasac SevZlebT. axla apireben wyena gadaiviwyon da `nacionalebis~ SiSiT, isev `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardaWeril kandidats miscen xma. ratom, ra Rirebulebebis gamo? geTanxmebiT, sasiamovno qalbatonia, STambeWdavi warmomavlobiT, magram iseT politikur Secdomebs uSvebs, araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar daiSveba prezidentis postze. winasaarCevno kampaniis warmarTvac ver SesZlo saTanadod. Sedegi yvelam davinaxeT, susti kandidati aRmoCnda.
– realurad ori Zala darCa da ganze gadgomiT isev im gundis mobrunebas xom ar SeuwyobT xels, romlis mosaSoreblad erT dros amJamindeli mmarTvelebis xelSemwyobni gaxdiT?
– Cven ganze dgoma ar gvCvevia, magram ratom mainc da mainc es ori kandidati agiCemebiaT?
– axla xom maT Soris aris kenWisyra?
– mesmis, rom mosaxleoba CixSi Sevida, magram xom SeiZleba orives gadaxazva, Semdeg vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebis daniSvna da mesame Zalis arCeva? Tavad xedavT, axlaxan isev gadmoswia ruseTma mavTulxlarTebi. salome zurabiSvili moagvarebs amas?
– Tqven sakuTar politikur gaerTianebas da qalbaton ninos moiazrebT mesame Zalad?
– ratomac ara? Cven gveZaxian prorusul Zalas, magram yvelam icis, rom namdvili qarTvelebi da is politikosebi varT, visac ZaluZs ruseTis molaparakebis magidasTan dasma. 15 wlis ganmavlobaSi ar moiZebna am xalxTan damlaparakebeli adamiani. am siCumiT ra Sedegebsac vimkiT, yvela xedavT.
– rodis amowura ndobis faqtori `qarTulma ocnebam~ xalxSi?
– rodesac samarTlianobis faqtori dakarga. salome zurabiSvili aq arafer SuaSia. Tavad gundSia dapirispireba. iqac bevrs ar undoda es kandidati, magram erTi kacis surviliT gadawyda yvelaferi. wina mmarTveloba `Sps~ iyo, axla qveyana `erTi piris sawarmo~ gaxda. yvelaze didi diskreditacia ki ganicades marixuanas legalizaciis kanonproeqtiT. gamodis, xelisuflebas `dabolili~, advilad samarTavi xalxi sWirdeboda. maxsovs, gamsaxurdias, SevardnaZis Tu saakaSvilis bolo mimarTvebi xalxisadmi: kidev erTxel mendeT, kidev erTxel damiWireT mxari… es mmarTvelebi karga xania wavidnen xelisuflebidan… biZina ivaniSvilis axlandelma telegamosvlam swored is mimarTvebi gamaxsena…
