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`qarTuli ocneba~ dabneulia. miuxedavad imisa, rom surda
prezidentobis damoukidebeli kandidatis mxardaWeriT qveynisTvis demokratiuli wyobis kidev erTi berketi SeeTavazebina,
mosaxleobisgan sruliad sapirispiro ganwyoba miiRo da lamis waago arCevnebis pirveli turi
mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebi, romlebic ar elodnen msgavs Sedegs, acxadeben: mosaxleobis didi nawili `Cveuli qarTuli sizarmacis~ gamo ar mivida saarCevno yuTebTan da procesebs televiziiT adevnebda Tval-yurs, magram faqtia isic, rom araviTari seriozuli winasaarCevno kampania `qarTul ocnebas~ ar Cautarebia, riTac isargebles `nacionaluri moZraobis~ da `evropuli saqarTvelos~ wevrebma da SesaSuri aqtiurobiT CaerTnen saarCevno procesSi, rasac mohyva kidec saTanado Sedegi.
ras apireben meore turSi `qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebi, aqvT Tu ara gamarjvebis imedi da rogor afaseben mimdinare movlenebs, amaze saubrobs aWaris umaRlesi sabWos agrarul da garemos dacvis sakiTxTa komitetis Tavmjdomare vaxtang wulaZe.
– sxva Sedegs elodiT da sul sxva miiReT. ras TvliT xalxis ndobis klebis ZiriTad mizezad?
– msgavsi viTarebis Seqmnis mravali mizezi arsebobs, Tumca ZiriTadad, mainc miviCnev im sainformacio politikas, romelsac aqtiurad awarmoeben `nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebi. aseve gasaTvaliswinebelia, Tu ra politikuri kulturiT da rogor nomenklaturaSi mimdinareobs saarCevno procesi saqarTveloSi.
– Tavad vin dagiSalaT sainformacio politikis warmoeba?
– faqtia, rom bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi `qarTuli ocneba~ cdilobs win wamoswios politkultura da sxva, ufro maRal doneze gadaitanos winasaarCevno procesebi. mosaxleoba unda mivaCvioT, rom yuradReba ar miaqcios dausabuTebel, haeridan motanil cifrebs da faqtebs. xalxma unda SeZlos masmediis saSualebebidan wamosuli informaciis Zireuli gaanalizeba im momavlis gaTvaliswinebiT, rac yvelafer amas mohyveba.
– TvliT, rom mxolod haerze motanil faqtebs `ahyva~ amomrCeveli?
– rogorc partia, vambobT, rom albaT, xeli davakeliT… Cvens Secdomebs aucileblad gavaanalizebT da gadavalT sxvanair komunikaciaze.
– es arCevnebi rom ara, ar apirebdiT gaanalizebas?
– yvelafers Tavisi dro aqvs. xalxSi Cveni popularobis klebis kidev erTi mizezia, rogorc biZina ivaniSvilma Tqva: `socialuri mdgomareoba sakmaod CamorCa im demokratias, Cven rom vnergavT farTo masebSi~. garda amisa, ar SeiZleba arCevnebis msgavsi Sedegebis erT-erT fundamentur mizezad ar davasaxeloT elementaruli sizarmace, romelic qarTvelebs axasiaTebs. `nacionaluri moZraobis~ sastiki mowinaaRmdege bevri adamiani saxlSi ijda televizorTan da Seezara saarCevno yuTebamde misvla.
– anu es resursi gamouyenebeli darCa?
– ra Tqma unda, es faqtia… uamravi adamiani mxvdeba qalaqSi da darcxvenili aRiarebs, rom ar yofila arCevnebze. Aanu aris es fenomeni CvenSi da verafers gaawyob. Tavadac sazogadoebis wevri xarT da kargad iciT, ra ganwyobacaa, yvela Tvlis, Cemi erTi xma ras uSveliso da sabolood viRebT im Sedegs, rac miviReT. amas imitom ar vambob, rom am konkretul periodSi xelisuflebaSi var. `qarTul ocnebas~ ki ara, sxva partiebsac hqoniaT msgavsi SemTxvevebi anu mosaxleobis gulgrili damokidebuleba ama Tu im politikuri procesis mimdinareobisas. geTanxmebiT, pirveli turi dabali muxtiT warimarTa, magram meore turSi gamovcocxldiT.
– `nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebi da maTi saarCevno Stabi ufro gamococxlebuli da aqtiuri meCvena… radgan Tqven CamoagdeT sityva am Temaze, rogorc sazogadoebis wevri, pirdapir getyviT, bevri baTumeli isev dadga `nacionaluri moZraobis~ gverdiT da amas daufaravad acxadebs. Zmebi berZeniSvilebis ar iyos, maTac apaties saakaSvils 7 noemberi. amboben, maSin raRac keTdebodao…
– keTili… ra keTdeboda maSin da ra ar keTdeba axla? SegviZlia statistikac moviSvelioT da faqtebiT gamovacxadoT, ra gakeTda Cveni mmarTvelobaSi mosvlis dRidan rogorc infrastruqturul nawilSi, ise socialuri, jandacvis, ganaTlebis, kulturis Tu sportis kuTxiT. faqtobrivad, pirveli ori weli myarad gamoxatuli memarcxene mimarTulebebi gvqonda. pirvel rigSi davayeneT adamiani, misi keTildReoba da janmrTeloba. elementarulad, ubralo operaciebs ver ikeTebdnen, eqimamde ver midodnen iseTi fasebi iyo, aRarafers vambob C hepatitsa da onkoavadmyofebze… Semdeg gadavediT centristul-memarjvene poziciebze da daviwyeT sxva sferoebis ganviTareba. ar vici, SesaZloa, aman raRac negatiuri ganwyoba warmoqmna xalxSi…
– piaris kuTxiT, `qarTuli ocneba~ namdvilad moikoWlebs…
– me mainc mgonia, rom dReSi samjer ar unda trialebdes teleekranze, ra gza daigo da romeli saavadmyofo Tu sastumro aSenda.
– mainc, ra gakeTda, ratom unda misces xma amomrCevelma Tqvens mxardaWeril kandidats?
– radgan diletantis doneze ar minda visaubro, amitom raSic verkvevi, imaze gavakeTeb aqcents. rogorc iqna, qveyanaSi imis mcdeloba gvaqvs, rom Camoyalibdes neitraluri, politikurad damoukidebeli prezidentis arsebobis kultura. axla ar vapireb imis ganxilvas, kargia Tu cudi salome zurabiSvili, Tavad am institutis faqtoris gaanalizeba minda. Cven unda miveCvioT saparlamento respublikaSi politikurad damoukidebeli prezidentis arsebobas.
– mainc gviTxariT, kargia Tu cudia salome zurabiSvili?
– kargi, getyviT… arsebul kandidatTa Soris salome zurabiSvili yvelaze misaRebia rogorc politikurad damoukidebeli da neitraluri piri. damisaxeleT, am mocemulobiT, romelia masze ukeTesi? rac Seexeba pirad simpaTiebs, namdvilad momwons es qalbatoni Tavisi warsuliT, awmyoTi, warmomavlobiT, ganaTlebiT Tu inteleqtiT da imis miuxedavad, rom sakmaod bevri talaxi esroles daumsaxureblad, mainc ar daukargavs saxe. isic mimaCnia, rom grigol vaSaZes aTi TaviT sjobia da WeSmaritad saqarTvelos patriotia, Tumca cota xistia da mosaxleobis nawilisTvis miuRebeli.
– zogierTi imasac ambobs, salome zurabiSvili Tavad `qarTul ocnebas~ Seuqmnis problemas araordinaruli Sexedulebebis gamoo…
– eg aris Zalian swori da kargi. aqeTken mivdivarT, es gavakeTeT… Tqvenc xom iciT, iolad SegveZlo `qarTuli ocnebis~ wiaRSi erTi uproblemo kacis povna, romelic ar warmoqmnida kiTxvebs da lideris poziciiT gamarjvebuli gavidoda pirvelive turSi… Tumca es ar gavakeTeT da politikur Tu partiul stereotipebze maRla davdeqiT. vcdilobT, politkultura avamaRloT mosaxleobaSi, es aris yvelaze mniSvnelovani.
– opozicia arCevnebis gayalbebis braldebasac giyenebT.
– ver davajere mosaxleoba, rom principulad ar vayalbebT arCevnebs, Zveleburi meTodebiT ar vsargeblobT. TiToeuli moqalaqe Tavad iRebs gadawyvetilebas, vin unda movides xelisuflebaSi da marTos qveyana, xolo am gadawyvetilebebis dacva da xalxis nebis aRsruleba Cveni mmarTveli gundis pirdapiri movaleobaa. principSi, arc ki mikvirs msgavsi ganwyoba rom arsebobs. marTlac, Zalian didi xani vicxovreT siyalbeSi. amas winaT Cemi axlobeli ixsenebda: xelvaCaurSi badri patarkaciSvilma realurad gaimarjva, magram sanam ubnidan olqamde mivida biuletenebi, saaTnaxevarSi monacemebi SevcvaleT da yvelas Tavidan movawerineT xelio… iyo, xdeboda, magram Cveni mmarTvelobis dros msgavsi araferi momxdara.
– opozicia bralad gdebT sakmaod bevr SemTxvevaSi, gaumarTlebeli mizezebiT, socialuri daxmarebebis Sewyvetas.
– pirdapir getyviT, rom socialuri politika davagvianeT, droze unda gagvetarebina reformebi. ar SeiZleba adamianma sezonurad Tvenaxevari imuSaos kafeSi an Cais Tu Txilis sakrefad gadavides TurqeTSi da amisTvis socialuri daxmareba mouxsna. es aris marazmi, romelic Cveni – `qarTuli ocnebis~ bralia. mivxedavT, yvelafers gamovasworebT.
– ugulavas bodiSi rogor miiReT?
– vaSa! rogorc iqna viRacam bodiSi moixada… realurad ki kargad iciT, raSicaa saqme. marto is rad Rirs, saqarTvelos `didi prezidenti~, sabednierod, yofili – mixeil saakaSvili sityviT rom gamovida Tavisive Tanagundelis pasuxad, amis Sesawyalebeli ra mWirso… romel bodiSsa da patiebaze melaparakebian?! ugulavas bodiSi CemTvis arafers niSnavs, rodesac mas saakaSvilTan aqvs kontaqti.
– mesame vadiTac apirebs `qarTuli ocneba~ xelisuflebaSi darCenas?
– me didi survili maqvs, Cvenze ukeTesebi movidnen qveynis saTaveSi da raRac etapze Cagvanacvlon. cas ara varT gamokerebulebi. `qarTuli ocneba~ mudmivad ver da arc unda iyos xelisuflebaSi. me da Cemi Tanagundelebi amisTvis mzad varT, aqeTken mivdivarT da Tu dRes `nacionalur moZraobas~ vebrZviT, gvinda, opoziciis es niSa gamovaTavisufloT am sibinZurisgan, raTa realuri, normaluri politikuri Zalebi movidnen, es ugvano mmarTvelobis gadmonaSTi ki unda gaqres erTxel da samudamod. imdenad marginaluria – ar unda arsebobdes.
– `nacionalur moZraobas~ ar TvliT opoziciad?
– es ar aris opozicia, es aris revanSizmi.
– ramdenad arsebobs saakaSvilis dabrunebis Sansi?
– amas ver vuSveb da arc unda dauSvas xalxma. dRes Tu viRacas realurad surs, qveynis saTaveSi `nacionaluri moZraoba~ dabrundes da im reJimSi vicxovroT, ufro sworad, viarseboT, neba maTia. konstituciiT aqvT es ufleba miniWebuli, magram me xalxs minda ganvucxado, SesaZloa, Cven gvaqvs Secdomebi, ara varT idealurebi, magram SeuZlebelia qveyana marTo da araferi SegeSalos, miT umetes, iseT auwyobel qveyanaSi, rogoric saqarTveloa… magram minda erTxel da samudamod davamTavroT viTomda opozicia, romelic Tavidan bolomde marginaluria… da maT adgilas Tu mova sufTa, konstruqciuli, adekvaturi, qveynis mSeneblobisken mimarTuli opozicia, Cven mxarSi davudgebiT.
– elodiT Tu ara `respublikuri partiis~ liderTa `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mxareze gadasvlas?
– paradoqsia, magram faqtia. erTs vityvi – bevri saceci aqvs darCenili `nacionalur moZraobas~, romelsac axlac amoZravebs. Zalian mZime 9 weli gaviareT. dResac ki ar gvaqvs imis resursi, vakeToT, rasac vfiqrobT…
– rames xom ar daamatebdiT?
– Cemi Svili mekiTxeboda amas winaT, mama, miSa vin ariso? veraferi vupasuxe… ar minda, manac gaiaros is yvelaferi, rac me gaviare da jer kidev mexsierebaSi maqvs Caleqili… SesaZloa, saakaSvilis tempebiT ver mivdivarT win mSeneblobisas, romlis ukanac adamianebis tanjva-wameba-sisxli ido, magram maqsimalurad viyenebT im resurss, rac dRes qveyanas gaaCnia. TiTs rom gviSveren Senobebze, es miSam aaSenao, isic Tqvan barem, rom am nagebobebis ukan dgas araerTi ojaxi, romelic ipoTekas ebrZvis, romelTa Svilebi, Zmebi, mamebi daiWires, romlebsac saxlebi gaayidines, janmrTeloba Seuryies. bevrs vicnob aseTs… kidev erTxel davfiqrdeT, gavaanalizoT… yvelas gTxovT: nu aswavliT Cems Svils, vin aris miSa!