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filosofosi, profesori giorgi masalkini, romelic lamis 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi `respublikuri partiis~ saxes warmoadgenda aWaraSi, am bolos sakmaod didi gaugebrobis winaSe aRmoCnda. rogorc man ganacxada: `mas Semdeg, rac `respublikurma partiam~ gadadga es araordinaruli nabiji – gaerTianda gaerTianebul opoziciaSi anu mivida `nacionalur moZraobasTan~, Cemi wris ori mesamedi mlanZRavs, maginebs, mwers an meubneba, rogor ikadreo, erTi mesamedi ki miwonebs saqciels… arada, me xom ori welia, rac aRar var `respublikur partiaSi~. orwliani kamaTis da davis Sedegad wavedi maTgan. Tqvenc iciT, es periodi – xidaSeli, usufaSvili, xmalaZe, zaqareiSvili da sxvebi rom gavidnen da CamoiSala `respublikelebi~. swored maSin aRmovCndi mec am partiis gareT, gavyevi usufaSvils~…
– ratom arCieT usufaSvilis gverdiT yofna?
– mimaCnia, rom mas yvelaze ukeTesi pozicia uWiravs, swored is, rac sWirdeba dRes qveyanas. kerZod, wamoviwyeT moZraoba `Seneba~, romelic Camoyalibdeba mesame politikur centrad. yovel SemTxvevaSi, arCevnebSi monawileobisas gvqonda amis pretenzia, romelic samwuxarod ver Sedga.
– ras fiqrobT, ratom gadawyvites berZeniSvilebma vaSaZis gverdiT dadgoma?
– Znelia SeekamaTo iseT did politikur da inteleqtualur figurebs, rogorebic arian Zmebi berZeniSvilebi. maT aqvT mdidari disidenturi warsuli, xolo levanis leqciebs lamis naxevari saqarTvelo usmens igive socialuri qselis Tu radiogadacemebis meSveobiT… man CaTvala, rom axla mTavaria politikuri dinamizmi – arsebuli reJimis winaaRmdeg gaerTianeba da reanimacia. maT miaCniaT, rom revanSi naklebad mosalodnelia Cvens pirobebSi da miiCnies, rom asea ukeTesi partiisa da xalxisTvis.
– maSin `qarTuli ocnebis~ gverdiT dadgnen, axla – isev `nacionalebTan~…
– ki, batono. politikaSi arsebobs aseTi fraza: `nurasodes nu ityvi nurasodes~. CerCilma samjer Seicvala partia, bolos ki yvelaze did politikosad aRiares da dRemde mas citireben.
– Tqven ar iziarebT yofili Tanapartielebis Sexedulebebs?
– CemTvis arsebobs `wiTeli xazebi~, romelsac ver gadavdivar.
– gamodis, meore turSi, radgan Tqveni kandidati ar monawileobs, salomes miscemT xmas?
– ar vici, ras vizam… SeiZleba vaSaZes mivce xma, magram es iqneba individualuri arCevani. dRes marTla ar vici, ras movimoqmedeb, iseTi dinamizmia movlenebSi. es dReebi gvaCvenebs, arsebuli xelisufleba azrze aris Tu ara, ramdenad adekvaturad moiqceva. jer amis veranair niSans ver vxedav, magram Tu davinaxe, rom ase gagrZelda, maSin sul sxva gadawyvetilebas miviReb. axla Cveni moZraobis oficialuri pozicia dakvirvebaa.
– ratom ver gaamarTla usufaSvilis mier Seqmnilma moZraobam?
– gvindoda mesame politikuri centris Seqmna, magram ar gveyo amisTvis finansuri, inteleqtualuri, raodenobrivi resursebi. axla davelodebiT, rogori SedegebiT dasruldeba arCevnebi, ra tipis daZabuloba Seiqmneba qveyanaSi… imedi gvaqvs, xalxi miva mesame Zalis arCevis gadawyvetilebamde da dagvinaxavs Cven, moZraobas, romelic axali furclidan daiwyebs qveynis Senebas. amJamad vdgavarT didi geopolitikuri gamowvevebis winaSe. banakebad dayofili saqarTvelo didxans ver gaZlebs.
– ras elodebiT, `nacionaluri moZraobis~ gamarjvebas? berZeniSvilma sworad SeniSna – xalxis nawilma apatia `nacionalebs~ 7 noemberi.
– eqvswlianma mmarTvelobam, romlis nawili raRac periodSi mec viyavi, bevrs marTlac daaviwya warsuli. is xalxi, vinc maSin xma misca `ara – xelisuflebas~, moiTxovs met dinamizms, met saqmes, laris kursis dastabilurebas, inflaciis SeCerebas da ase Semdeg.
– dolarTan mimarTebaSi kursis ryeva msoflioSi masStaburia…
– ki, magram kargad gvaxsovs, Cveni mmarTvelobis pirveli oTxi weli sakmaod warmatebuli rom iyo, axla ki moiTxoven met inteleqts. ramdenic unda vakritikoT `nacionaluri moZraoba~, dRevandeli xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebiT, inteleqti hqonda. kidev erTi – qarTveli bevrs gapatiebs… daufaravi tyuilis garda. eTqvaT, axla salome gvWirdeba da modiT, avirCioTo. SeiZleba kidec mieRo saTanado raodenobis xmebi, magram gvimtkiceben, damoukidebeliao, Tan xmis micemasac gvavaleben…
– marTla damoukidebel kandidatad miaCniaT.
– SeiZleba, magram nu matyueb, miTxari. waredginaT mdinaraZe prezidentad da garwmunebT, gaimarjvebda…. qarTvel adamians pretenzia aqvs gonierebaze. SeiZleba bevri araferi gagvaCnia, magram Wkua inerciiT SegvrCa. roca miSa sam-oTxjer xsnida erTi da igive sawarmos, qarTvelma kacma es icoda, Tumca piari mainc Tavisas akeTebda. roca saqme saqmeze midga, swored es gaixsena. rac Seexeba salome zurabiSvilis prezidentobis damoukidebel kandidatad wardgenas, amaze cudi scenari ra unda moefiqrebina mmarTvel gunds? aRmasrulebeli Tu sakanonmdeblo organoTa ZiriTadi kohorta CarTulia saarCevno kampaniaSi, romelsac ratomRac `damoukidebeli piris mxardaWeras~ uwodebs.
– meore turSi ufro efeqturad vimoqmedebTo, amboben. Tqveni prognozi rogoria?
– ra Tqma unda, axla ufro moindomeben – met fuls daxarjaven, met resurss gamoiyeneben, amitom ar vici, ra moxdeba, prognozs ver gavakeTeb, radgan politikaSi aris aseTi termini `gamarjvebulis sindromi~, rac `nacionalebma~ ukve iynoses da ufro gaaqtiurdnen. es maSin, roca mmarTveli Zala demoralizebulia… ai, aq, yvelaferi SeiZleba moxdes…
– rogor fiqrobT, ra aris ukeTesi qveynisTvis?
– modiT, vTqvaT, gaimarjva salomem. – ra gvelis? gvelis imis gagrZeleba, rac iyo, plus, axali prezidenti, romelic damatebiT Tavis tkivils Segviqmnis rogorc Cven, aseve biZina ivaniSvils. salome ar aris marTvadi, raRacas ganacxadebs, sadRac wava, viRacas Sexvdeba da a.S. vaSaZem Tu gaimarjva, unda velodoT vadamdel saparlamento arCevnebs da mixeil saakaSvils, Tumca sazogadoeba myarad Tu daxvda, `nacionalebi~ Zveli SemadgenlobiT da im intensivobiT veRar dabrundebian.
– nuTu marTla gaqvT amis imedi?
– Tu kvlav davisvamT Tavze im odiozur figurebs, romlebic isev cocxebs moimarjveben, maSin ar vyofilvarT eri da arc unda gagviCndes pretenzia saxelmwifoebriobaze. dadebiTad miviCnev vaSaZis gamarjvebas im SemTxvevaSi, Tu `ocneba~ gamofxizldeba, mixedavs Cinovnikebs, kardinalurad Secvlis arsebul koncefciebs, ifiqrebs koaliciur mTavrobaze da xelisuflebaSi moiyvans politikosebs. maT jer kidev aqvT xelisuflebaSi yofnis ori weliwadi.
– gamodis, grigol vaSaZes `qarTuli ocnebis~ sapirwoned miiCnevT?
– viRacam xom unda gamoafxizlos eseni? gadaxedeT, vin aris ivaniSvilis gverdiT politikosi. premierebic ki yovelgvari politikuri `begraundis~ gareSe SearCia. ministrebi velur teqstebs amboben, absoluturad araadekvaturs. magaliTad, finansTa ministri rom ganacxadebs, opoziciis utifarma teqstebma gamoiwvia laris kursis vardnao, raRa unda Tqva. jer erTi, kursis ryeva daiwyo 3 Tvis win. aqve ar unda daiviwyo, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrma Tqva, samoqalaqo oms unda velodoTo. axla vaSaZes abraleben, 100 aTas kacs gamoviyvan, arCevnebi Tu gayalbdao. Tu gayalbda, ityvis. ra, Salva naTelaSvili ar ityvis? mokled, qveyanam dakarga banakebad dayofis procesis Tavidan acilebis Sansi.
– ras gulisxmobT banakebad dayofaSi?
– vinc gaimarjvebs, misi mowinaaRmdegeebi aRdgebian… igive vaSaZes rom eZaxi faSists da moRalates, ratom ar ukvirdebi, rom is 600 aTasi adamiani, mas rom misca xma, am sityvebs sakuTar Tavze miiRebs? nu Seqmni apokalifsur suraTs. aseTebs gaumarjviaT da aseTebi gasulan?! Tu gaimarjvebs da mixvdebi, rom ar varga, ukve ici, rogor SeiZleba misi moSoreba. qarTvelebma xom gauges gemo sakuTar Zalas – imasac arCevnebiT CamoviSorebT… saakaSvili Zlivs gavuSviT. axla movida meore da arc amas unda wasvla.
– rac Seexeba gayalbebas, fiqrobT, rom es simarTlea?
– ara, axla arCevnebi aRar yalbdeba. an ra saWiroa, rodesac kanoni gaZlevs nebismieri resursis gamoyenebis saSualebas. me, ubralod, getyvi: Tu momiyvan Seni saxlidan 10 kacs, mogcem 200 lars, Tu 20-s – dagimateb. mdidrebi yiduloben, Raribebi iyidebian. saSualo fena TiTqmis aRarc gvyavs. arCevnebs biznesad miiCneven da elodebian, as-oras lars mainc gavakeTebTo. qarTvelobis mentalobis Secvlamde kanoni unda SevcvaloT. saukeTeso gamosavalia eleqtronuli arCevnebi proporciuli sistemiT – ramden procentsac miiReb, imdens gaiyvan parlamentSi.
– arCevnebSi `qarTuli ocnebis~ kraxis mTavar mizezad ra migaCniaT?
– Temis saTanadod amosawurad ramdenime konferenciis mowvevaa saWiro, amitom Sevecdebi mTavari kazusi warmovaCino: ivaniSvilma CaTvala, rom qveynis samarTavad hyofnis materialuri da inteleqtualuri resursi. jer qveynis saTaveSi dadga da daiwyo marTva, Semdeg kulisebSi gadainacvla da iqidan marTavs. is, vinc mas ewinaaRmdegeboda, zedmetad CaTvala. mogexsenebaT, biznesmenebi undoblobas iCenen politikosebis mimarT, amitom Seecada teqnokratebiT, biznesmenebiT da sando pirebiT emarTa. Camoicila ukve Semdgari politikuri figurebi: alasania, usufaSvili, xidaSeli, sxvebi da… darCa marto – mrCevlis gareSe. marTlac SuSis sasaxleSi zis da ver xedavs, realurad ra dReSia xalxi.
– `qarTuli ocneba~ Tvlis, rom konstituciuri respublika gveqneba…
– diax, konstituciur mmarTvelobaze akeTeben TiTqos gaTvlas da am dros moxda is, rac aTasjer momxdara – absoluturi xelisufleba ryvnis absoluturad da… gairyvna Cveni `qarTuli ocneba~ rogorc korufciis, ise inteleqtis kuTxiT. xom viciT, rasac niSnavs iniciativa? igi isjeba. verc erTi ministri Tavad verafers wyvets, romel iniciativebzea laparaki?! axla aris araformaluri mmarTveloba mTeli Tavisi metastazebiT, rac politizebul Zalovan struqturebs gulisxmobs. swored esaa qarTuli mmarTvelobis `aqilevsis qusli~. saakaSvili, gamsaxurdia, SevardnaZe – eseni araformalurad marTavdnen qveyanas, anu gadametebuli uflebebiT, Tumca igive saakaSvils bokeria da ugulava mainc hyavda, Wkua rom ekiTxebodaT. amas vin hyavs? Cveni qveynis arSemdgari demokratia mudmivad am damokles maxvilis qveS imyofeba… saakaSvilis mmarTvelobis periodSi Rame Tu mimdinareobda dakiTxvebi da 1000 biznesmens waarTves qoneba, axla 100-s waarTves… dRisiT-mzisiT, anu elitaruli korufciaa. bunebrivia, kargia, Rame rom ar gibareben, magram farcxalaZe Cafarcxavs saqmes Tu SoTaZe, CemTvis arsebiTi mniSvneloba ar aqvs. me, rogorc moqalaqes, minda srulfasovani, maRalxarisxovani demokratia vigrZno. mesame Zala jer ar Cans an ver xedaven, rac siRaribis da politikuri gaunaTleblobis bralia. midiT arCevnebze da gaakeTeT arCevani: an erTi SemoxazeT, an meore, an… arc erTi!
