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regionis axali mowvevis sakanonmdeblo organo ukve ori welia kanonSemoqmedebiT muSaobas eweva. am xnis ganmavlobaSi, wina mowvevis umaRlesi sabWosgan gansxvavebiT, procesebi mSvid garemoSi mimdinareobs. principSi, pirvelma kanonmdebelma imTaviTve erTgvari pirobac ki dado, rom sakanonmdeblo organo zedmeti xmauris, urTierTdapirispirebis da yovelgvari zRvargadasuli qmedebebis gareSe imuSavebda. am dromde es piroba ZalaSi rCeba da didi albaTobiT, momdevno or welsac kanonSemoqmedebiT saqmianobas dauTmoben.
riT iyo gansxvavebuli 2018 weli wina wlisgan, ra mimarTulebiT imuSava regionis sakanonmdeblo organom? umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomare daviT gabaiZem `aWarasTan~ orwliani muSaoba Seajama.
– 2018 weli umaRlesi sabWosTvis gansakuTrebiT nayofieri iyo. wlis dasawyisSi regionis mTavar politikur-samarTlebriv dokumentze – aWaris konstituciaze daviwyeT muSaoba. sakanonmdeblo organosaTvis konstituciaze mniSvnelovani dokumentis miReba ar arsebobs da, Sesabamisad, Cvens regions, aWaris avtonomiur respublikas aqvs Tvisobrivad, Sinaarsobrivad da xarisxobrivad axali konstitucia. axali konstitucia, erTi mxriv, aZlierebs umaRles sabWos da, meore mxriv, avtonomiuri respublikis saxelisuflebo organoebs Soris urTierTobas abalansebs. garda amisa, gaizarda avtonomiuri respublikis uflebamosilebebi, gansakuTrebuli uflebamosilebis CamonaTvals iseTi mniSvnelovani Canawerebi daemata, rogoricaa tyis, wylis sakuTrebis ufleba. aRsaniSnavia e.w. universaluri uflebamosilebis principis Semotana da aseve im Canaweris damateba, rac avtonomiuri respublikisaTvis uflebamosilebebis delegirebis wess gansazRvravs. konstituciaze muSaobis periodSi yvela municipalitetSi movawyveT sayovelTao-saxalxo ganxilva, gvqonda dargobrivi Sexvedrebic. sabolood ki miviReT avtonomiuri respublikis konstitucia, romelic SeniSvnebis gareSe daamtkica saqarTvelos parlamentma. aqve vityvi, arasamTavrobo organizacia `saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba – saqarTvelom~ konstituciasTan dakavSirebiT ramdenimepunqtiani daskvna dado. yvela punqtSi weria, rom es iyo wingadadgmuli nabiji.
– batono daviT, konstituciis ganxilvebis dros naTlad Canda, rom saarCevno sistemas, opoziciasTan erTad, Tqvens gundSic iwunebdnen…
– esec politikuri gemovnebis sakiTxia. mimaCnia, saarCevno sistema, Cveni regionis specifikis gaTvaliswinebiT, sworad aris SerCeuli. mosaxleobasTan Sexvedrebisas gamoikveTa, rom isini Sereuli sistemis datovebis momxre iyvnen. ufro metic, sazogadoebis nawili radikaluradac ki iTxovda amas, fiqrobdnen, mTlianad maJoritarul sistemaze unda gadavsuliyaviT. amis gamoZaxili iyo, rom regionSi davtoveT maJoritaruli sistema. Cems kolegebs – opoziciis da poziciis warmomadgenlebs SevTavaze, gvemuSava mosaxleobasTan, agvexsna, kargavdnen Tu ara rames maJoritaruli sistemis gauqmebiT, ras aZlevdaT maT srulad proporciul sistemaze gadasvla da kidev erTxel dagveyenebina cvlilebebi mxolod saarCevno sistemis nawilSi, risTvisac verc umravlesobam da verc opoziciam moicala, radgan sxva gamowvevebis winaSe davdeqiT. konstituciis cvlilebas regionis mTavrobis cvlileba mohyva. mTavrobis formirebam garkveuli dro waiRo. amis Semdeg ki saarCevno procesSi CavebiT. amdenad, 2018 weli datvirTuli da nayofieri iyo da aranaklebi iqneba 2019.
– ori wlis ganmavlobaSi or mTavrobis TavmjdomaresTan mogiwiaT urTierToba. baton TornikesTan Tqvens naTesaur kavSirzec araerTxel iTqva. rogorc makontrolebeli organos Tavmjdomare, ras ityviT yofil da axal Tavmjdomareebze?
– konstituciaSi cvlilebebis Setanamde umaRles sabWos mTavrobis kontrolis aranairi berketi ar hqonda. rac unda moendomebina warmomadgenlobiT organos maSin, roca aranairi valdebuleba ar hqonda mTavrobis Tavmjdomares, gaekeTebina perioduli angariSi, roca mTavrobis undoblobisaTvis imaze meti kvorumi iyo saWiro, vidre damtkicebisTvis, xolo rTuli – vetos daZlevis procesi da sxva, martivi ar iyo mTavrobis kontroli. konstituciuri cvlilebis didi nawili daeTmo imas, rom makontrolebel da mTavar politikur organod gadaqceuliyo umaRlesi sabWo, SeiZleba subieqturic ki viyavi cvlilebebze muSaobisas, radgan mimaCnia, rom pirdapiri wesiT arCeuli warmomadgenlobiTo organo mTavari politikuri organo unda iyos da cvlilebebiT es gakeTda. rac Seexeba mTavrobis TavmjdomareebTan urTierTobas, kargi urTierToba mqonda baton zurab pataraZesTan da kargi urTierToba maqvs baton Tornike riJvaZesTan. profesiiT iuristma vici, Cemi, rogorc umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris kompetenciebis zRvari sad gadis, Tundac moTxovnebis, pretenziebis Tu daTmobebis. Sesabamisad, am zRvars arc aravis gadmovalaxineb da arc me gadavkveT. amdenad, rom giTxraT, Zalian martivi iyo yofil mTavrobis TavmjdomaresTan muSaoba da axalTan garTulda an piriqiT, aseTi ar yofila.
– saqarTvelos pirveli qali prezidenti hyavs. salome zurabiSvilis arCevas ori turi dasWirda…
– qalbaton salome zurabiSvils kidev erTxel vulocav gamarjvebas. sakmaod kargi diplomatiuri da profesiuli gza aqvs gavlili. vfiqrob, SeZlebs, upasuxos im gamowvevebs, rac konstituciis axali redaqciiT prezidentis winaSe dgas. rac ar unda vilaparakoT, rom prezidentis instituts uflebebi SezRuduli aqvs, prezidenti konstituciiT saxelmwifos meTauri da umaRlesi mTavarsardalia, bevr berkets flobs saimisod, rom wonadi instituti iyos saxelisuflebo organoebs Soris. amdenad, qalbatoni salomes winaSe sakmaod bevri gamowveva iqneba, miT ufro iseT qveyanaSi, sadac ori regioni okupirebulia. minda vusurvo am gamowvevebisaTvis Rirseuli pasuxis gacema, misi warmateba xelisuflebis, TiToeuli qarTvelis da Cveni qveynis gulSematkivris warmatebaa. rac Seexeba arCevnebs, sakmaod daZabul brZolaSi Caiara. Cvenma oponentebma, samwuxarod, yvelaferi ikadres, yovelgvar wiTel xazs gadavidnen. xelisuflebis mxardaWerilma kandidatma Rirseulad, TavSekavebulad aCvena magaliTi, Tu rogori unda iyos saprezidento kandidati. pirvel turSi Sedegi ar iyo saxarbielo. mosaxleobisgan mkafio mesijebi miviReT, pirveli is, rom gacilebiT meti komunikacia unda gvqondes da metad unda mivitanoT Tundac sabiujeto programebi, gakeTebuli saqmeebi mosaxleobamde. Cven sworad gavigeT mosaxleobis gzavnilebi da maTi sworad aRqmis Sedegi iyo meore turSi gamarjveba. albaT, pirveli turis Sedegi ganapiroba imanac, rom bolomde ar davixarjeT.
– ratom? ar dauSviT, rom mosaxleobas SeiZleboda xma ar mieca xelisuflebis mxardaWerili kandidatisTvis?
– yovel SemTxvevaSi, meore turSi gacilebiT meti amomrCevlis mobilizeba SevZeliT, anu resursi yofila da Tavis droze saTanadod ar gavisarjeT.
– mosaxleoba yvela mimarTulebiT elodeba cvlilebas, iqneba es socialuri da ekonomikuri fonis gaumjobeseba Tu sakadro politika…
– vfiqrob, cvlilebebi ukve dawyebulia, radgan mosaxleobasTan aqtiuri komunikacia gvaqvs. SevecadeT biujetic mosaxleobis saWiroebebze yofiliyo morgebuli – erTi mxriv, ar dagvviwyebia socialuri problemebi da, meore mxriv, sabiujeto ekonomikuri aqtivobebi, romelic gaaZlierebs regions. dasakargi dro ar aris da roca axali biujeti amoqmeddeba, mosaxleoba xelisuflebis damokidebulebas igrZnobs.
– rogor fiqrobT, 2020 wels `qarTuli ocneba~ isev SeZlebs amomrCevlis ndobis mopovebas?
– vfiqrob ki, radgan gavaanalizeT mosaxleobis moTxovnebi da amas mxolod politikuri keklucobisTvis ar vambobT. swored mosaxleobis gzavnilebis Sesruleba iqneba garanti imis, rom 2020 wels, amomrCevelTan Sexvedrisas, Cvens saTqmels vityviT.
– qveyanaSi mimdinare politikur procesebze opoziciis pozicias rogor SeafasebT?
– opozicia erTgvari `novaciis~ damkvidrebasac cdilobs. umetes SemTxvevaSi destruqciuli qmedebebiT cdiloben fons gasvlas da amas mxolod me ar vambob. `novaciaa~ da gaugebaric kanonieri gziT xelisuflebis damxobis mowodeba. es ver moxdeba, radgan saqarTvelo Semdgari saxelmwifoa da kanonis farglebSi, nebismier darRvevas Sesabamisi reagireba mohyveba. rac Seexeba azris gamoxatvas, vcdilobT, SevqmnaT demokratiuli garemo. amisaTvis xelisuflebac mzadaa da mosaxleobac. saimiso niadagi arsebobs, rom dasruldes demokratiuli institutebis Camoyalibeba da saxelmwifo institutebic gamarTulad muSaobdes.
– regionis mTavari finansuri dokumenti damtkicebulia. rogoria 2019 wlis biujeti?
– biujeti sakmaod efeqturia, morgebuli – mosaxleobis saWiroebebze. aseve, bevri mniSvnelovani proeqti ganxorcieldeba da mniSvnelovani weli iqneba. unda aRiniSnos, rom daaxloebiT 220 milioni lari daixarjeba infrastruqturul proeqtebze, daaxloebiT milioni lariT izrdeba janmrTelobisa da socialuri dacvis saministros biujeti, dagegmilia 8 axali skolis mSenebloba. yvela resursi arsebobs imisTvis, rogorc ki zamTari gaivlis, zarzma-xulos gzis mSenebloba daiwyos. es kidev ufro efeqturs gaxdis kurort goderZis, romlis warmatebac bevradaa damokidebuli mowesrigebul infrastruqturaze. wels 2018 wlis biujetidanac soliduri Tanxebi moxmarda infrastruqturas da naSTi, razec saubrobdnen Cveni oponentebi, mTlianad aTvisebulia stadionis, respublikuri saavadmyofos, maRalmTiani aWaris gazificirebis proeqtebiT.
– regionSi socialuri foni rogoria?
– albaT iseTivea, rogoric mTel saqarTveloSi, Tumca vfiqrob, Cvens regionSi SedarebiT ukeTesi mdgomareobaa. mzardi biujetis Sedegad am fonis kidev ufro gaumjobesebaa SesaZlebeli.
– batono daviT, didi dro ar aris gasuli brandenburgSi vizitis Semdeg. ra sargebloba moaqvs regionisTvis ucxoeTSi vizitebs?
– xSirad ismeboda kiTxva – ras vakeTebT poloneTSi vizitisas, igive brandenburgTan da qvemo sileziasTan, TanamSromlobiT. madloba minda vuTxra Cvens partniorebs, mxolod gzis xarjebis dafarva gviwevs, danarCen samivlinebo Tanxebs isini gvifaraven. igive sileziasTan, politikuri TvalsazrisiT, sakmaod mniSvnelovan Sedegs mivaRwieT. poloneTis seimze adre, qvemo sileziis seimma agvistos omis 10 wlisTavTan dakavSirebiT, saqarTvelos mxardamWeri rezolucia miiRo. es iyo saqarTvelos mxardaWera, meore mxriv ki mowodeba ruseTisadmi, mcocavi okupaciisgan gaaTavisuflos Cveni qveyana. regionis mier msgavsi rezoluciis miReba aris precedenti saerTaSoriso masStabiT da madloba minda vuTxra Cvens polonel kolegebs. vfiqrob, samwuxarod, CvenTan am rezoluciis datvirTva bolomde ver iqna aRqmuli. odesme, amaze saubari kvlav mogviwevs albaT da Cveni sazogadoeba, gansakuTrebiT specialistebi, vinc am mimarTulebiT muSaobs, saTanado Sefasebebs gaakeTeben. Cven aqtiurad vTanamSromlobT ganaTlebis, kulturis, xelovnebis kuTxiT, samedicino sferoSic. eqimTa ramdenime jgufi gadamzadda da kidev vfiqrobT medikosebis gagzavnas. es procesi qvemo sileziaSi arCevnebis gamo Seferxda. sasixarulo faqtia, rom yofilma marSalma Tanamdeboba SeinarCuna. axali marSalic rom mosuliyo Tanamdebobaze, Cveni urTierTobis kursi ar Seicvleboda, magram Semdgari TanamSromloba da piradi urTierTobebic bevr rames wyvets. am TanamSromlobis Sedegs ara marto Cven, polonuri mxarec xedavs. qvemo sileziasa da aWaris avtonomiur respublikas Soris arsebuli urTierTobis ganviTarebaSi Setanili wvlilisTvis oqros medali gadmomces. es jildo mxolod daviT gabaiZes ar ekuTvnis.
– Tqven pirveli qarTveli xarT, vinc polonelebma am tipis oqros medliT daajildoves.
– ara mxolod pirveli qarTveli, rogorc gviTxres, pirveli arapolonelic, romelsac es jildo gadasces. rogorc agvixsnes, msgavsi jildos nominanti iseTi adamianic iyo, Tavis droze nobelis premiazec rom iyo wardgenili. Sesabamisad, piradad CemTvis es jildo udidesi pasuxismgeblobaa. vTqvi kidec, Tu aqamde warmovadgendi aWaris regions, am jildos Semdeg pasuxismgeblobas vgrZnob qvemo sileziis winaSec-meTqi. madloba maT amisTvis. rac Seexeba brandenburgs, didi xania gvaqvs urTierToba. bolo vizitisas orwliani TanamSromlobis gegmas movawereT xeli, sadac konkretulad gaiwera mimarTulebebi. brandenburgSi sakanonmdeblo da aRmasrulebel struqturebs Soris maRal donezea programuli urTierToba, igive, aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis kontrolis TvalsazrisiT.am mimarTulebiT informaciuli teqnologiebis specialistebis gadamzadebas dagvpirdnen. mniSvnelovania meddebis gadamzadebis programac. garda amisa, samomavlod universitetebis ufro mWidro TanamSromloba igegmeba. Cven viTanamSromlebT iseT sakiTxSic, rogoricaa peticiis komitetis analogis Seqmna umaRles sabWoSi. regionis sakanonmdeblo organoSi adamianis uflebaTa dacvis komitetis misamarTiT mudmivad ismis kiTxva, aqvs Tu ara mas sakmarisi kompetencia. brandenburgis landtagSi peticiis komiteti arsebobs, romelic muSaobs mosaxleobisgan wardgenil moTxovnebze da rekomendaciebs ugzavnis aRmasrulebel xelisuflebas. vfiqrobT, adamianis uflebaTa dacvis komiteti peticiebis nawilis damatebiT unda gavaZlieroT. sakanonmdeblo TvalsazrisiT, CvenTan es SesaZlebelia. garda amisa, miviReT dapireba, rom maisSi, roca sapasuxo vizitiT Camovlen, Cveni aparatis TanamSromlebis gadamzadebis konkretul TariRze SevTanxmdebiT. 2018 wels kidev erTi axali partniori SeviZineT – odesis olqis samxareo sabWosTan memorandumi gavaformeT. es TanamSromloba ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT karg Sedegs moitans. sakanonmdeblo kuTxiT SesaZloa bevri ver miviRoT, magram gza gavxseniT da aRmasrulebelma xelisuflebam es unda gamoiyenos.
– batono daviT, bolo ori wlis ganmavlobaSi umaRles sabWoSi muSaoba, ZiriTadad, mSvid garemoSi mimdinareobs…
– bunebrivia, vnebaTaRelva, azrTa sxvadasxvaoba aris gundSi, magram vcdilobT, sazogadoebasTan urTierTobis nawilSi akademiurebi viyoT. romeli jobia, mudmivi dapirispireba Tu akademiuroba, vfiqrobT, amas mosaxleoba Zalian kargad xedavs da kargad afasebs.
