ჯემალ ნაკაშიძე: არ მოჭრათ ნაძვი, თორემ დიდ ჯარიმას გადაიხდით
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21-e saukuneSi, teqnokratiis epoqaSi, imdenad mZimdeba garemos sasicocxlo foni, rom TiTqmis yoveldRiurad vrwmundebiT bunebrivi landSaftebis mTlianobis, haerisa da wylis sisufTavis SenarCunebis aucileblobaSi. vrwmundebiT, radgan Zlieri gamonabolqvis gamo sunTqva gviZneldeba, zRvaSi Camdinare binZuri wylebis gamo banaobas veridebiT, xolo gaCexili tyeebis gamo gamowveuli mewyris SiSiT, lamis daicala mTis soflebi… dRe ar Caivlis stiqiuri ubedurebebis Sesaxeb informaciis gareSe. aqedan gamomdinare, cxadia, vacnobierebT, rom Tu problemas dRes ar gadavWriT, xval ukve gaCanagebuli, gamomSrali an sulac wyliT dafaruli planeta darCeba, romelic gamousadegari iqneba sicocxlis nebismieri formis ganviTarebisTvis.
garemos dacva gulisxmobs `yvela im RonisZiebas, romelic miznad isaxavs adamianis da bunebis sasicocxlo safuZvlebis mTlianobaSi SenarCunebas da garemoSi arsebuli dazianebebis aRmofxvras. aq wina planze dgas adamianis mier gamowveuli zianis SezRudva da garemoze zemoqmedeba~ – ganmartaven am sferos specialistebi. maTive gancxadebiT, `garemos dacva koncentrirdeba ara garkveuli landSaftebis an safrTxeSi myofi cxovelebis dacvaze, aramed zrunavs bunebrivi sasicocxlo safuZvlebis mTlianobis SenarCunebaze yvela cocxali arsebis keTildReobisaTvis~.
aqve ar unda daviviwyoT, rom adamiani Tavisi garemos formirebas sakuTari moTxovnilebebis mixedviT, teqnikis daxmarebiT axdens, riTac xSirad arRvevs ekologias. axla ar SevudgebiT imaze saubars, rom garemos dazianeba 10 000 welze meti xnis win daiwyo, roca miwaTmoqmedebas da mecxoveleobas mihyves xeli. vityviT mxolod imas, rom mogvianebiT, berZnul da romaul antikur periodSi, mraval mTis ferdobze masobrivad gaiCexa tyeebi sawvavisa da gemTmSeneblobisaTvis saWiro saSeni masalebis mosapoveblad, ramac xmelTaSua zRvis piras mravali gaxriokebuli lanSafti warmoqmna, romelic dRemdea SemorCenili. aqve ar unda daviviwyoT, rom Tuki garemos adreuli dazianeba regionalurad isazRvreboda, dRes msoflio masStabis ngrevis, adamianis sasicocxlo safuZvlebis ganadgurebis winaSe vdgavarT. aseTi globaluri gavlenis magaliTebia: saTburis efeqti, ozonis Sris dazianeba (ozonis xvreli, ozonis fena, klimati), junglebis ganadgureba, msoflio okeanis dabinZureba…
garemos dazianebis nacionaluri da regionaluri Sedegebis magaliTebia: cxovelTa da mcenareTa sxvadasxva saxeobis gadaSeneba, niadagis mowamvla, misi erozia, nagvis narCenebis mTebi, haerSi momwamvleli nivTierebebis Semcvelobis zrda, mZime metalebiTa da pesticidebiT dabinZurebuli sakvebi.
isic ar unda daviviwyoT, rom dRevandeli mZime garemo pirobebis gamomwvevi mizezebi sxvadasxvagvaria: industriuli warmoebisas ixarjeba nedleuli da energia, warmoiqmneba narCenebi, romelic wamlavs wyals, haers da niadags. Tanamedrove soflis meurneoba iyenebs uzarmazar miwis farTobebs, romlis ganoyierebisTvis da mcenareTa dasacavad gamoyenebuli qimiuri saSualebebi wamlavs niadags da wyals. mosaxleobis raodenobis swrafi zrda iwvevs ara marto SimSils da siRaribes, aseve garemos ganadgurebas, radgan met adamians meti sacxovrebeli sivrce da meti sakvebi sWirdeba…
mokled, es sfero, saTanadod Tu CavuRrmavdebiT, am saaxalwlod sakmaod arasasurvel ganwyobaze dagvayenebs da, vfiqrob, umjobesia, pirdapir sagazeTo Temaze gadavideT, romelic asaxavs, Tu riTia dakavebuli aWaris garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi resursebis marTvis sammarTvelo. amaze saubrobs sammarTvelos ufrosi jemal nakaSiZe. igi Tvlis, rom garemo binZurdeba ara mxolod industriuli warmoebisas, aramed sayofacxovrebo pirobebSi energiis gamoyenebiT, gaTbobis mowyobilobaTa gamonabolqviT, iseve, rogorc nagviTa da qimiuri nivTierebebiT (magaliTad, sarecxi da sawmendi saSualebebiT). misi azriT, erT-erTi yvelaze Znelad gadasaWreli problema wylis da haeris dabinZurebaa, rasac akontroleben kidec saTanado monitoringis meSveobiT.
– batono jemal, ramdeni ganyofilebisgan Sedgeba sammarTvelo?
– CvenTan Semodis biomravalferovnebisa da integrirebuli marTvis samsaxurebi. integrirebuli marTva gulisxmobs atmosferuli haeris dabinZurebis stacionaruli wyaroebis, maT mier gafrqveul mavne nivTierebaTa, Camdinare da zedapiruli wylebis obieqtebidan wylis amoRebis teqnikur reglaments. igi 5-wliani vadiTaa gansazRvruli, garkveulia, rogor unda xdebodes wylis moxmareba da ra minarevebia dasaSvebi obieqtebidan gaSvebul wyalSi. es is obieqtebia, romlebic wyals moixmars, manqanebis Tu noxebis recxva da a.S. Cven gvaqvs gansazRvruli forma, romlis mixedviTac avseben obieqtebis warmomadgenlebi dokumentacias. Tu dasaSvebze meti norma miuTiTes an daarRvies wylis gamoyenebis angariSgebis formebi, maSin Cveni TanamSromlebi atyobineben am darRvevas saTanado organoebs reagirebisTvis.
– manqanebis gamonabolqvsac Tqven akontrolebT?
– ara, es ar Sedis Cvens kompetenciaSi. Cven warvadgenT haeris dabinZurebis stacionaruli wyaroebidan gafrqveuli mavne nivTierebebis inventarizaciis teqnikur angariSs, romelsac vadgenT saqarTvelos kanonis `atmosferuli haeris dacvis Sesaxeb~ mixedviT. esec 5-wliani dokumentia, romelic Cvens sammarTvelosTanaa SeTanxmebuli. Tuki dokumenti sworadaa Sevsebuli, specialurad damtkicebuli normebis mixedviT, maSin is misaRebia, aq saubaria sawarmoebze, rom maT haerSi mavne nivTierebaTa zRvrulad dasaSveb normebs ar gadaaWarbon.
– darCa ki baTumSi iseTi masStabis sawarmo, haeris mowamvla rom SeuZlia?
– aris, rogor ara, Tundac aguris da zeTis qarxnebi. xsenebuli formis Sevseba aucilebelia nebismieri sawarmosTvis, igive restornisa Tu kafesTvis, sadac didi gazqurebia… aseve CvenTan funqcionirebs biomravalferovnebis ganyofileba, romelic yovelwliurad gegmiT gaweril programebs axorcielebs.
– sul ramdeni programa moqmedebs?
– ori. erTia garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi resursebis sammarTvelos organizaciuli marTva, romelic moicavs sxvadasxva satransporto xarjebs, Sromis anazRaurebas da a.S. xolo meore – garemosdacviTi programa, romelic ori qveprogramisgan Sedgeba: 1) atmosferuli haeris, Camdinare da zedapiruli wylebis xarisxis maCveneblebis monitoringi. 2) aWaris sanapiro zolis zRvis wylis xarisxobrivi maCveneblebis monitoringi.
– sinjebs ramdenjer iRebT?
– `atmosferuli haeris, Camdinare da zedapiruli wylebis xarisxobrivi maCveneblis monitoringis~ qveprogramis farglebSi wels 105-jer aviReT wylis sinji.
– ra saxis minarevebi isazRvreba sinjis dros?
– analizis Sedegad zedapirul wyalSi isazRvreba nitratis, polifosfatebis, sulfatebisa da qloridebis koncentraciebi, romelic ar aRemateba dasaSveb normas.
– portsa da rkinigzaSi Tua darRvevebi?
– sxvaTa Soris, didi samuSaoebi Catarda da aRikveTa zRvaSi navTobis CaRvrisa da haerSi mavne nivTierebebis gafrqvevis faqtebi, rac adre, sanam aq muSaobas daviwyebdi, arcTu iSviaTad aRiniSneboda. gaxsovT, albaT, qalaqSi damdgari mZime suni.
– rogor ara, Cveni gazeTi xSirad aSuqebda aseT SemTxvevebs, Tumca verafers vSvelodiT.
– diax, axla saerTod Seicvala am mimarTulebiT viTareba, rac Cveni TanamSromlebis damsaxurebaa. isini imaze mets akeTeben, vidre evalebaT: dRis ganmavlobaSi dadian qalaqSi, amowmeben nagavsayrelebs, narCenebisgan dabinZurebul lokaciebs, atareben bzis nargavebis monitorings, naxuloben, romelzea mavneblebi, raTa Sesawamlad gaamzadon. darRvevebze awvdian informacias saTanado instanciebs jarimebis gamosawerad an sxvadasxva saxis administraciuli sasjelis dasaweseblad.
– napirsamagri samuSaoebi Tu mimdinareobs?
– rogor ara. mogexsenebaT, Woroxs veRar Camoaqvs Zveli intensivobiT natani da xelovnurad Segvaqvs zRvaSi ramdenime adgilas xreSi. am procesebs axla saqarTvelos regionaluri ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis saministro axorcielebs, adre – Cveni sammarTvelo. 2016 wels swored Cven avaSeneT 600-700 metri sigrZis napirsamagri axal bulvarSi.
– zafxulis sezonze uamravi avtomobilis gamonabolqvis gamo qalaqSi sunTqva Wirs.
– imedi gvaqvs, es sakiTxi male mowesrigdeba. axali wlidan ZalaSi Seva savaldebulo teqdaTvaliereba da bevri gaumarTavi avtomobili, romelic gaufiltravi gamonabolqvis gamo Zalian abinZurebs haers, veRar ivlis quCebSi. cxadia, es seriozuli SeRavaTi iqneba.
– rogorc specialists, ra migaCniaT qalaqisTvis yvelaze seriozul problemad?
– erT-erTi swored avtomobilebis gamonabolqvia, meore – nagavsayreli, romelic ukve aTwleulebia, regionis umwvaves problemaTa rigSi dgas. male esec mogvardeba. ukve gamoiyo Tanxa da ganisazRvra adgili, sadac aSendeba Tanamedrove teqnologiebiTa da teqnikiT aRWurvili nagavsayreli. iq ara mxolod miiReben, aramed gadaamuSaveben sayofacxovrebo narCenebs realizaciisaTvis. misasalmebelia, rom am proeqtis ganxorcielebidan or weliwadSi arsebuli nagavsayreli dakonservdeba. TandaTan gaiwmindeba iqauroba da aRar Semova qalaqSi mZime suni da aRarc sanapiro da zRvis wyali dabinZurdeba.
– rogorc vici, garevaWrobis Sedegad warmoqmnil dabinZurebasac Tqven akontrolebT.
– es asea da minda xazi gavusva, rom qalaqi, praqtikulad, gawmendilia am kuTxiT.
– e.w. kaliaevis, lermontovis da WavWavaZis quCebis kveTaSi ganlagebuli mcire bazrobebi mainc darCa.
– vcdilobT, civiluri vaWrobis farglebSi movaqcioT es teritoria, Tanac ar gvinda davazaraloT is moqalaqeebi, visac vaWroba Semosavlis wyarod aqvT qceuli. imedia, male gamovnaxavT yvelasTvis misaReb variants.
– rac Seexeba tyes… ra siaxleebi gaqvT?
– erT werilSi Temas ver amovwuravT, amitom mokled getyviT, rom satyeo mimarTulebiT aqtiurad ganvsazRvravT politikas da konkretul strategias. Cveni sammarTvelo aWaris tyeebze sruladaa pasuxismgebeli. mogexsenebaT, regionis teritoriis 60%-ze meti swored tyes ukavia, rac did pasixismgeblobas gvakisrebs. am bolo 5-6 wlis ganmavlobaSi gadaidga dadebiTi nabijebi. aRar xdeba komerciuli Wrebi, amaze Tavidanve uari vTqviT. movixmarT mxolod im resurss, rac socialurad gvWirdeba. gamogvaqvs mxolod dazianebuli xeebi, rom gadavarCinoT tye – Cveni ZiriTadi simdidre.
– winasaaxalwlod ras isurvebdiT?
– mosaxleoba minda gavafrTxilo: ar moWraT gasayidad naZvis xeebi, Torem jarimas ver acdebiT – didi jarimebia dawesebuli – 500 larze meti, rasac ueWvelad gadaaxdevineben. garemos zedamxedvelobis samsaxuri mkacrad akontrolebs am sferos. raki saSualeba momeca, yvelas vTxov: erTad movuaroT bunebas!
