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baTumis municipalitetis teritoriaze TviTneburad dakavebul miwaze sakuTrebis uflebis aRiarebis komisia 2016 wlidan meriis daqvemdebarebaSi gadavida. manamde ki komisia sakrebulos daqvemdebarebaSi iyo da miwis sakuTrebis aRiarebis mudmivmoqmedi komisia ewodeboda. dRes moqmed komisias profesiiT iuristi daviT kopinaZe xelmZRvanelobs.
daviT kopinaZes profesiiT samarTalmcodnea, damTavrebuli aqvs baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelmwifo universitetis iuridiuli fakulteti. 2007 wlidan sxvadasxva dros muSaobda rogorc kerZo, ise sajaro seqtorSi. iyo xelvaCauris municipalitetis gamgeobis iuridiuli ganyofilebis ufrosi, paralelurad – miwis aRiarebis komisiis mdivani, Semdeg amave komisiis Tavmjdomare. 2017 wels samuSaod baTumis meriaSi gadadis – sakuTrebis aRiarebis ganyofilebaSi, maleve baTumis municipalitetis teritoriaze TviTneburad dakavebul miwaze sakuTrebis uflebis aRiarebis komisia Caabares da dRemde am pozicias inarCunebs.
sakmaod rTul periodSi Caudga komisias saTaveSi batoni daviTi, amavdroulad, sapasuxismgeblo saqmesaa SeWidebuli komisiis wevrebTan erTad, radgan miwis sakuTrebaSi gadacema is sakiTxia, romelic wlebia regionSi problemad rCeba da periodulad politikur temperaturasac maRla swevs. mizezi yvelasTvis cnobilia – `gonios miwebi~.
sazogadoebas kargad axsovs, wina xelisuflebam 2007 wels gonios mcxovreblebs rogor gadasca sakuTrebaSi miwis nakveTebi da Semdeg maleve rom CamoarTva, rasac samarTliani protesti mohyva da wlebis ganmavlobaSi grZeldeboda, xelisuflebis cvlilebis Semdegac ki. gonioelebi saprotesto aqciebs marTavdnen, araerTxel gadake-tes centraluri saavtomobilo magistrali, mimarTes sasamarTlosac, Tumca procesis dasrulebas bolo ar uCanda… mosaxleobis umravlesoba samarTlianad iTxovda im miwis nakveTebis sakuTrebaSi gadacemas, romelsac wlebis ganmavlobaSi sasoflo-sameurneo daniSnulebisTvis iyenebda, Tumca aseve arsebobda samarTliani mizezebic, ris gamoc miwebis sakuTrebaSi gadacema ver xerxdeboda… dRes Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas, rom problema, romelic wlebis ganmavlobaSi gadauWreli iyo, met-naklebad mogvarebulia.
baTumSi miwis sakuTrebaSi gadacemis kuTxiT arsebul mdgomareobasa da sxva saintereso detalebze `aWarasTan~ baTumis municipalitetis teritoriaze TviTneburad dakavebul miwaze sakuTrebis uflebis aRiarebis komisiis Tavmjdomarem daviT kopinaZem isaubra.
– TviTmmarTvelobis kodeqsis Secvlis Semdeg, martivad rom vTqvaT, miwis aRiarebis uflebamosileba qalaqis merias gadaeca. 7 wevrisgan Semdgar komisiaSi erTi sakrebulos wevria, aseve garemos dacvis da finansTa da ekonomikis saministros TiTo warmomadgeneli, meriis qonebis marTvis, arqiteqturis da zedamxedvelobis samsaxuris warmomadgenlebi.
– batono daviT, saubari daviwyoT im ybadaRebuli TemiT, rasac miwis reforma hqvia. ratom ar Catarda igi Tavis droze regionSi?
– saubari imaze, visi brali iyo es, an ra mizezebiT gamowveuli, Sors wagviyvans. Tumca faqti erTia – miwis reforma regionSi Tundac mciremiwianobis gamo ver ganxorcieldeboda. zogadad, aWara warmoadgens mciremiwian mxares, regions.
– gansakuTrebiT mwvave `gonios miwebis~ sakiTxi iyo…
– Tavis droze, wina xelisuflebam adamianebs sakuTrebaSi gadasca is miwis nakveTebi, romelTa umetesobasac sargeblobdnen wlebis ganmavlobaSi. adamianebs meurneobebTan hqondaT gaformebuli ijaris xelSekrulebebi, romlis safuZvelzec miwebiT sargeblobdnen. zogadad, ijaris xelSekruleba droebiT sargeblobas iTvaliswinebs. 2005 wlisaTvis saqarTvelos masStabiT ijaris xelSekrulebebi gauqmda. dRes Cven iseT rTul saqmesTan gviwevs Widili, romelic 2010 wlidan mimdinareobs – moqalaqeebsa da saxelmwifos Soris davis process vgulisxmob.
– ram ganapiroba es dava?
– moqalaqeebs hqondaT sakuTreba, romelic saxelmwifom jer gadasca sakuTrebaSi, Semdgom ki raRac mizezebis gamo gauuqma.
– ra iyo gauqmebis mizezi?
– e.w. gonios miwebis SemTxvevaSi, miwis nakveTebis didi nawili kulturuli memkvidreobis Zeglis dacvis zonaSi iyo. es zona arc 2007 wels daarsebula da arc 2010-Si, yvelam icis, rom saukuneebs iTvlis. im dros, roca adamianebs miwis nakveTebi sakuTrebaSi gadasces, icodnen kidec rasTan hqondaT saqme. Semdeg, swored Zeglis dacvis zonis mizeziT gauuqmes. samwuxarod, Tavis droze ar gaiTvaliswina komisiam, rom miwis nakveTebi Zeglis dacvis zonaSi mdebareobda. yvelas kargad unda esmodes Zeglis statusi, zona da misi mniSvneloba. dokumentebis kvlevis Sedegad mosaxleobas werilobiT avuxseniT, Tu ras niSnavda daculi teritoria, rogor SeiZleboda miwis sakuTrebis aRdgena da misi gankargva am zonaSi. miwis sakuTrebaSi gadacemisas aseTi midgoma gvqonda, rac mosaxleobas ar gauprotestebia, anu, miwis sakuTrebaSi gadacemis dros ojaxebi gavafrTxileT, rom am miwebze akrZalulia garkveuli tipis samuSaoebi da mSeneblobebi.
– konkretulad ra tipis akrZalvebia dawesebuli?
– fizikuri dacvis arealSi akrZalulia yovelgvari saqmianoba, romelic daazianebs an dazianebis safrTxes Seuqmnis Zegls an gaauaresebs mis aRqmas an gamoyenebas, maT Soris: imgvari moqmedebebi, romlebic gamoiwvevs miwis mniSvnelovan vibracias an deformacias; qimiur, advilad aalebad da feTqebad nivTierebaTa Senaxva; iseTi obieqtebis aRmarTva, romlebic ar emsaxureba Zeglis dacvas an misi garemos gaumjobesebas; mcenareTa im saxeobebis an imgvarad dargva, romlebmac an ramac SeiZleba daazianos Zegli. arqeologiur kvlevebs mosaxleobam xeli ar unda SeuSalos. amasTan, Cven gamoviTxoveT yvela is informacia, rac daadasturebda, flobdnen Tu ara Tavis droze miwis nakveTebs, moviZieT ijaris xelSekrulebebi, davadgineT, sargebloben Tu ara miwis nakveTebiT. dokumentebis erTobliobam safuZveli mogvca, rom erTxel da samudamod dava dasrulebuliyo. marTalia, sakiTxi srulad ar aris amowuruli, Tumca, etapobrivad, yvelafers vakeTebT saamisod. Cveni muSaobis paralelurad, saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg dava mimdinareobda strasburgis sasamarTloSi. sanam strasburgis sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebas miiRebda, komisiam gadawyvita da visac miwis nakveTi realurad ekuTvnoda, sakuTrebaSic gadaeca. strasburgis sasamarTlom Cveni gadawyvetileba praqtikad miiRo da danarCen moqalaqeebs, romlebsac CvenTvis ar moumarTavT, Seatyobines, rom praqtika ukve arsebobs da saxelmwifosTvis miemarTaT. Cven ukve ganvkargeT miwis nakveTebi ise, rogorc unda gankarguliyo da ara ise, rogorc 2007 wels moxda, roca jer dauregistrires adamianebs miwis nakveTebi sakuTrebaSi da mere, erTi xelis mosmiT, gauuqmes. kiTxva logikuria – Tu ar ekuTvnodaT miwis nakveTebi, ratom daukanones? Cven CavTvaleT, rom maT miwis nakveTebi ekuTvnodaT da Zeglis zonis Sesabamisi regulaciebis dacviT gadaveciT kidec.
– mxolod `gonios miwebi~ ar iyo problematuri…
– geTanxmebiT, ramdenime SemTxveva gonios garda gvqonda sxvaganac. sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebiT, an mokvlevisa da Sinagani rwmeniT gauqmebuli sakuTreba aRvadgineT, magram yvelaze rTuli mainc e.w. gonios miwebi iyo. mosaxleobas uaryofiTi damokidebuleba hqonda komisiis mimarT, ambobdnen, rom xelovnuri barieri eqmnebodaT. komisiisadmi aseTi damokidebuleba ukve TiT-qmis aRaravis aqvs, Tumca, yvela madlieri mainc ver geyoleba…
– gauqmebuli sakuTrebis uflebis aRdgenis garda, komisia kidev ra mimarTulebiT muSaobs?
– komisiis muSaobis procesSi gamoikveTa, rom aris iseTi sakuTrebis uflebebi, sadac mosaxleze miwis nakveTis naxazi gacemulia erT adgilze da mosaxle realurad sul sxva adgilas sargeblobs miwis nakveTiT, anu identuroba ar dgindeba, rac sirTules warmoadgens. amas samarTlebrivad teqnikuri Secdoma SeiZleba vuwodoT, an SesaZloa – komisiis SecdomaSi Seyvanis mcdeloba. komisiam unda daadginos Secdoma, Tu aris, an unda Tqvas, rom arc Tavis droze ekuTvnoda miwis nakveTi, an kidev, rac naxaziTaa iq ki ara, sadac sargeblobs, is ekuTvnis.
– bevria aseTi saqme?
– daaxloebiT, 50-mde. samwuxarod, ver getyviT, wina wlebSi komisia rogor awarmoebda mokvlevas, magram SedegiT Tu vimsjelebT, gamodis, adgilze ar ikvlevdnen saqmes, individualurad ar udgebodnen sakiTxs da ar interesdebodnen, marTla ekuTvnoda Tu ara miwa adamians. es saxelmwifos bralia – roca moqalaqe gancxadebiT mogmarTavs, unda gamoikvlio da daadgino, ramdenad samarTlianad iTxovs da ekuTvnis Tu ara mas miwis nakveTi. yvela berketi da resursi unda gamoiyeno, rom Secdoma ar dauSva.
– axla rogor ikvlevs komisia da ra principiT iRebT gadawyvetilebas batono daviT?
– gadawyvetilebis miRebamde gavdivarT konkretul misamarTze, vswavlobT miwis nakveTis mdebareobas, aseve, aris Tu ara dRevandel kanonmdeblobasTan SesabamisobaSi. kanoni gvavaldebulebs, miwa sakuTrebaSi gadaeces mas, visac kerZo sakuTreba hqonda 2007 wlamde da mis momijnaved iyos miwis nakveTi, rasac iTxovs. arsebobs orTofotoebis baza, sadac naTlad Cans, sacxovrebeli saxli romeli wlidan dgas konkretul miwis nakveTze. problemas vawydebiT im dros, roca adamianebi wlebis ganmavlobaSi amuSaveben miwis nakveTebs da es miwebi araa maTi sakarmidamos momijnave, arc sacxovrebeli an myari damxmare Senoba-nageboba udgas. am SemTxvevaSi gviwevs uaris Tqma. Sinaganad SeiZleba davrwmundeT, rom miwis nakveTis mosargeblea, magram kanoni ar gvaZlevs saSualebas, gadavceT sakuTrebaSi, Tumca sargeblobas ganagrZobs.
– gonios garda, qalaqis teritoriaze kidev sad waawydiT problemebs?
– qalaqSi, maxinjaurSic, Tumca gonios cixis mimdebare teritoriis msgavsi ar yofila. dadebiTi, samarTlebrivi gadawyvetileba migviRia iseT sakiTxebze, rasac 10 welze meti xnis ganmavlobaSi ver wyvetdnen. samwuxarod, adamianebs erT wreze atarebdnen.
– maSin ras akeTebT, roca Sinagani rwmena da kanoni erTmaneTTan SesabamisobaSi araa?
– Sinagan rwmenas kanoni da faqtobrivi garemoebebi unda uwyobdes xels. jer kanonia da mere Sinagani rwmena.
– `gonios miwebis~ sakiTxze davisas vrceldeboda mosazreba, rom Tu adamianebs maT sakuTrebaSi gadascemdnen, gonios cixis mimdebared mravalsarTulian Senobebs miviRebdiT….
– dRevandeli kanonmdeblobiT, gonios cixis mimdebared, Zeglis dacvis zonaSi veravin aaSenebs maravalsarTulian Senobebs, radgan aseT SemTxvevaSi Zegli Caikargeba saxlebSi da Tavis istoriul mniSvnelobasac dakargavs, rac kulturuli memkvidreobis Sesaxeb saqarTvelos kanoniTa da mSeneblobis nebarTvis gacemisa da sanebarTvo pirobebis Sesaxeb saqarTvelos mTavrobis dadgenilebiT aris gansazRvruli.
– dabolos, komisiis 2018 wlis muSaoba SevafasoT.
– sakuTrebis uflebis daaxloebiT 400-mde mowmoba gaica. amasTan, daaxloebiT 200 sakiTxi ganvixileT miwis nakveTis koreqtirebis, Tavis droze gacemuli miwis nakveTebis mowmobebi realurTan SesabamisobaSi moviyvaneT. 41 sxdoma Catarda. kanonmdeblobiT, erT saqmeze 2 Tve muSaobis SesaZlebloba gvaqvs, Tumca saqmis sirTulidan gamomdinare, SesaZloa, 6 Tvemdec gagrZeldes mokvleva, an erTi welic ki. yofila SemTxvevebi, saqmeebi erT TveSic dasrulebula. xelovnur barierebs ar vqmniT, saxelmwifos midgoma da komisiis mizania, visac ekuTvnis miwa, kanonis dacviT, sakuTrebaSi gadaeces.
