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qals warmatebis miRwevaSi Wkua, Sromismoyvareoba da mizandasaxuloba exmareba. yvela am TvisebiTaa Semkuli marika gvianiZe, romelmac arcTu ise didi xnis win `baTumis wyali~ Caibara da dakisrebul movaleobasac Tavs mSvenivrad arTmevs. samuSaod ucxo garemoSi ar misula – 2011 wlis ivnisidan adliis Camdinare wylebis gamwmendi nagebobis da satumbi sadgurebis samsaxuris ufrosad muSaobda.
mama – daviT gvianiZe mecnieria, profesori da dendrologi, deda – Tamar ximSiaSvili – biologi. amJamad SviliSvilebis movliT arian dakavebulebi. marika gvianiZes hyavs meuRle raul abulaZe da qal-vaJi – 6 wlis anete da 2 wlis gega. damTavrebuli aqvs maxinjauris saSualo skola. bavSvobaSi celqi da mousvenari yofila. ambobs, rom sasiamovno da laRi bavSvoba hqonda, Tumca 90-iani wlebi – ganukiTxaoba da krizisuli periodi qveyanaSi negatiurad axsovs.
– im wlebma sakmaod daamZima studenturi periodi, rasac Tan unda axldes mxiaruli, naTeli dReebi… dRes axalgazrdebs meti SesaZlebloba aqvT rogorc codnis miRebis, ise garToba-dasvenebis kuTxiT. SoTa rusTavelis universitetSi biologiurze vswavlobdi da gasvliTi praqtikebi mxolod aWaris teritoriaze gvqonda, – ixsenebs qalbatoni marika. ambobs, rom mSoblebi mkacrad ar zrdidnen, arafers ukrZalavdnen da arc miTiTebebs aZlevdnen, Tumca, marikas da mis das, romelic baTumis botanikur baRSi muSaobs, mSoblebisgan mudam esmodaT – Cvens Svilebs ar SeeSlebaT. maTi sjerodaT.
– erTi, rasac deda gvirCevda, is iyo, rom adreul asakSi ojaxis Seqmnaze ar gvefiqra. im periodSi raRac moduric ki iyo 15-16 wlis asakSi gaTxoveba. mama ar gvsjida, xmamaRali saubaric ki misTvis miuRebeli iyo, mudam gverdiT gvedga da dResac asea. mSoblebis lmobieri damokidebulebis miuxedavad, Cven yovelTvis vicodiT, ra esiamovnebodaT maT. tradiciul, stumarTmoyvare ojaxSi gavizardeT. botanikur baRSi vcxovrobdiT, mama Rvinos Tavad ayenebda da nebismieri adamianisTvis Cveni saxlis kari Ria iyo, – miTxra qalbatonma marikam.
bavSvobaSi mamas xSirad akiTxavda samsaxurSi. kargad axsovs mis kabinetSi didi Savi savarZeli, mama – saTvaliT da kalmiT xelSi, romelic an statias werda, an kiTxulobda.
– dedas kiTxva uyvarda – Tavisufal dros wignebiT iyo dakavebuli. am yvelaferma Cveni cxovrebis wesze didi gavlena iqonia. maxsovs, vambobdi – mamiko unda gamovide-meTqi. baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelmwifo universitetSi biologiurze Cavabare. magistratura germaniaSi garemos dacvis mimarTulebiT gaviare.
– ratom gadawyviteT swavlis germaniaSi gagrZeleba?
– 1988 wlis dadgomas germaniaSi, mamis kolegisa da megobris ojaxSi SevxvdiT. iqidan dabrunebulebma germaniaSi swavlis perspeqtivaze daviwyeT fiqri. me da Cemma dam germanuli ena SeviswavleT da erT dResac ucxo qveyanaSi wavediT 20 wlis asakSi…
– ar gagiWirdaT ojaxisgan Sors yofna?
– ucxo garemoSi marto ar viyavi, rogorc giTxariT, swavlis gasagrZeleblad me da Cemi da erTad wavediT. es Zalian dagvexmara – erTmaneTs vavsebdiT da mSoblebis monatrebac advili gadasalaxi iyo. Zalian gamimarTla, karg ojaxSi aRmovCndi bavSvis aRmzrdelad, Tan vmuSaobdi, Tan vswavlobdi. erTi wlis Semdeg ki me da Cemi da erTad vcxovrobdiT da swavlasTan erTad, vmuSaobdiT kidec. germaniaSi bevri megobari SeviZineT, dRemde Zalian kargi urTierToba maqvs im ojaxTan, sadac pirvelad mimaspinZles. ucxo qveyanaSi cxovreba ioli namdvilad ar aris, Tumca dRes SemiZlia vTqva, rom germania CemTvis meore samSobloa, iq miRebuli siTbo, siyvaruli da urTierTobebi dResac momyveba.
– amboben, germanelebi civi xalxiao…
– es germanelebze Seqmnili stereotipia. isini, Cvengan gansxvavebiT, koreqtulebi, punqtualurebi arian, ar dagikargaven Sromas, erTgulebas da megobrobas. me da Cems das xSirad gvCuqnidnen bileTebs, rom axal wels ojaxSi SevxvedrodiT. Cvens mSoblebsac xSirad iwvevdnen stumrad… ase gavatareT 7 weli.
– ucxoeTSi wasulebi, xSirad ukan dabrunebaze aRar fiqroben.
– germaniaSi wasvlis dRidanve vicodiT, rom ukan aucileblad davbrundebodiT. mSoblebs arasodes davtovebdiT martod. Cveni mizani swavla iyo. ar dagimalavT da getyviT, bevri ram iq ukeTesia, Tumca baTumis gareSe cxovreba CemTvis warmoudgenelia. unda vxedavde zRvas da viyo axloblebis garemocvaSi, sxvagvarad cxovreba ver warmomidgenia. axla, roca myavs meuRle da Svilebi, samSoblodan wasvlaze verc vifiqreb.
– momavali meuRle rogor gaicaniT?
– axloblebis wreSi gavicani da ojaxic siyvaruliT Sevqmeni. siyvaruli is grZnobaa, rodesac sayvareli adamianis gareSe ver warmogidgenia cxovreba da, Sesabamisad, samyaroc uferulia.
– rogor axerxebT iyoT kargi meuRle da mosiyvarule deda?
– rTulia, Tumca vcdilob, Svilebs da ojaxs dro davuTmo, ar movaklo yuradReba. meuRle gagebiT ekideba Cems datvirTul samuSao grafiks, pretenziuli araa, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, am did pasuxismgeblobasac ver aviRebdi sakuTar Tavze. Tavisufal dros ojaxTan erTad vatareb, ufrosi gogona 6 wlisaa da ar minda dedis deficits ganicdides.
– sainteresoa, rogor daTanxmdiT direqtorobas iq, sadac ZiriTadad, mamakacebi muSaoben. ramdenic unda vilaparakoT genderul Tanasworobaze, mamakacebs mainc uWirT qalebis wamyvan poziciebze xilva.
– 7 weli adliis gamwmend nagebobaze vmuSaobdi, sadac minimalurad iyvnen qalbatonebi dasaqmebulebi. zogadad, an SegiZlia marTva an ara da sulac ar aqvs mniSvneloba, iq 20 adamiania dasaqmebuli Tu 500, qali Tu kaci.
– amboben, rom mkacri xelmZRvaneli xarT…
– diax, mkacric var da momTxovnic. ar SemiZlia TanamSromels gulgriloba movuwono. Tu saqmes xels mokideb, bolomde unda daixarjo. pasuxismgeblobis grZnoba unda hqondes adamians. `baTumis wyals~ qalaqis winaSe valdebuleba aqvs da es gaTavisebuli unda gvqondes TiToeul Cvengans.
– rogoria mkacri direqtori samsaxuris miRma?
– iseTi megobrebi myavs, romlebTanac 30 welic ki makavSirebs da Tanamdeboba maTTan urTierTobaSi xels ar miSlis. samsaxurSi mkacrTan da momTxovnTan erTad, samarTlianic var. TanamSromlebTan mimarTebaSi spontanur gadawyvetilebebs ar miviReb, vici, rom maT ukan ojaxebia. yvelas maqsimalurad vaZlev Sanss, sakuTari SesaZleblobebi warmoaCinos.
– risi keTeba giyvarT Tavisufal dros?
– Tavisufal dros SvilebTan erTad saxlSi yofna miyvars. Cems 6 wlis qaliSvilTan erTad namcxvrebis keTeba. ojaxi CemTvis yvelaferia.
– ras ar apatiebT axlobel adamians?
– tyuils.
– Tqven arasodes giTqvamT tyuili?
– Seni tyuiliT sxva ar unda daazaralo. Ralatis patiebac miWirs, radgan vTvli, rom adamianma sakuTar principebs ar unda uRalatos.
– romelia Tqveni sayvareli adgili qalaqSi?
– universitetis mopirdapired, zRvispira zolSi miyvars ojaxTan erTad seirnoba, mSvidi adgilia. zogadad, xmaurs simSvide mirCevnia. albaT, amitomac ar var restornis da Ramis klubebis moyvaruli. Tumca, bavSvebi rom wamoizrdebian, mere meuRlesTan erTad, kokteilis dasalevad vivli.
– saqarTveloSi ra moswonT Tqvens germanel megobrebs?
– Cveni stumarTmoyvareoba da keTilganwyoba. kerZebidan – sacivi da Romi, aWaruli xaWapuri, yvelaze metad ki saaRdgomo paska. aRdgomas xSirad Camodian xolme da mec saxlSi momzadebuli paskiT vumaspinZldebi.
– qalbatono marika, meuRle Tu gaZlevT xolme rCvebs?
– me da Cemi meuRle naklebad vsaubrobT samsaxurze, ojaxSi gantvirTva mWirdeba. Tumca, roca raime mWirdeba, Tundac samosis SerCeva, kargi gemovneba aqvs da daxmarebasac vTxov.
– arCevanis winaSe rom dadgeT – ojaxi Tu kariera?
– nebismier Tanamdebobaze uars vityvi da arCevans ojaxze gavakeTeb.
– Tqveni sayvareli xelsaqme.
– qargva miyvars Zalian. erTi gobeleni maqvs dasasrulebeli, magram patara ar maclis…
– marti qalebTan asocirdeba. riTi ganebivrebT meuRle?
– am mxriv Zalian yuradRebiania. sunamos, samkaulebs mCuqnis da orqideebs. yvavilebi Zalian miyvars, Cveni saxlis aivanzec bevri yvavilia. mec vcdilob mis ganebivrebas. stumarTmoyvarea, xSirad iwvevs megobrebs, axloblebs saxlSi. nebismier dros mzad var, maT warbSeuxrelad vumaspinZlo. sadac siyvarulia, iq urTierTpativiscemaa da problemebsac advilad umklavdebi.