“ჩვენ აუცილებლად ჩავანაცვლებთ “ქართულ ოცნებას”
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24 ianvars `omega jgufis~ xelmZRvanels zaza oquaSvils sadeputato mandati SeuCerda. igi `patriotTa aliansis~ kvotiT iyo Sesuli regionis sakanonmdeblo organoSi. misi adgili aWaris umaRles sabWoSi uflebadamcvelma merab bladaZem daikava, romelic `patriotTa aliansis~ saarCevno siis mesame nomeri gaxldaT. merab bladaZe, rogorc uflebadamcveli, aqtiurad iyo CarTuli regionSi mimdinare politikur procesebSi. ufro adre ki, `nacionaluri moZraobis~ xelisuflebis dros, is saqarTvelodan, rogorc Tavad ambobs, givi TargamaZesTan piradi konfliqtis gamo wavida da samSobloSi xelisuflebis cvlilebis Semdeg dabrunda.
– arasdros miTqvams, rom politikuri devnili viyavi, saqarTvelodan givi TargamaZesTan piradi konfliqtis gamo wavedi. gamafrTxiles, dagiWereno da mec wasvla movaswari, meore dRes ki Cems saxlSi SeiWrnen. pirvelad, briuselSi, 2007 wlis 7 noembris movlenebi gavaproteste. yovelTvis megona, emigrantebi gansakuTrebulad aqtiurebi iyvnen, Tumca yvela wynarad iyo. megobris daxmarebiT gavarkvie, rogor momewyo aqcia, 30 qarTveli Sevkribe da briuselSi amerikis saelCos win mivediT, sadac davgmeT buSis reJimi saakaSvilis mxardaWeris gamo. mokled, saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebs briuselidan vexmianebodi. Semdeg ukve damikavSirda qalbatoni salome zurabiSvili da faqtobrivad, Cemi politikaSi mosvlac misi mxardaWeriT moxda. dRes qalbaton salomesTan iseTi axlo urTierToba aRar maqvs, masze nawyeni var, Tumca es Cveni piradulia. TbilisSi rac ki aqcia imarTeboda, paralelurad, Cemi organizebiT imarTeboda briuselSic. mogvianebiT SemomierTda Jurnalisti giorgi fofxaZe da giorgi lafanaSvili. es sami adamiani briuselidan vambobdiT saTqmels. `patriotTa aliansis~ wevri ar var, 2008 wels gavicani irma inaSvili, organizeba gavakeTeT, rom evroparlamentarebs Sexvedroda da saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebze esaubra. Semdeg saqarTveloSi `winaaRmdegobis moZraoba~ daarsda, romelsac saTaveSi daviT Tarxan-mouravi Caudga da gadawyda, evrostruqturebSi akreditebuli Jurnalisti vyofiliyavi, amasTan politdevnilTa ombudsmeni da politikuri mimarTulebiT vmuSaobdi strasburgSi, briuselsa da JenevaSi.
– batono merab, ratom moxda ise, rom 2016 wlis arCevnebisas `patriotTa aliansma~ siis pirvel da meore nomrebad adgilobrivi kadri ar daasaxela? dauSva Tu ara partiam Secdoma, roca Tqven saarCevno siaSi mesame nomrad Cagweres?
– es sakiTxi erTpirovnulad aravis gadauwyvetia. partiis imijisTvis da meti xmis mosapoveblad vTxoveT daviT Tarxan-mouravs, siis pirveli nomeri yofiliyo. dro rom gavida, mivxvdiT – araswori gadawyvetileba iyo, jobda adgilobrivi daesaxelebina siis pirvel nomrad. sxvaTa Soris, siaSi Tavdapirvelad meore nomeri viyavi, magram saarCevno kampaniis dawyebis dros finansuri problemis winaSe aRmoCnda partia. zaza oquaSvilma Tavad SesTavaza `patriotTa alianss~ aWaraSi saarCevno kampaniis dafinanseba, Tu siis meore nomeri iqneboda. swored finansuri saWiroebis gamo gadavwyviteT, zaza oquaSvilisTvis dameTmo adgili. im dros vfiqrobdiT, minimum 4 adamiani mainc Sevidoda Cveni partiidan umaRles sabWoSi, magram mxolod erTi moxvda sakanonmdeblo organoSi.
– raSi sWirdeboda biznesmen zaza oquaSvils umaRlesi sabWos deputatis mandati?
– vfiqrob, diplomatiuri pasportis gamo.
– daviT Tarxan-mouravi regionis mosaxleobisTvis meCeTis mSeneblobis winaaRmdeg mimarTul aqciebTan asocirdeba. swored is gamovida pirveli azizies meCeTis mSeneblobis gasaprotesteblad.
– ara mxolod meCeTis aSeneba-araSenebis Tema, bevri sxva sakiTxia regionSi gadasaWreli. daviT Tarxan-mouravi meCeTis aSenebis winaaRmdeg gamodiodao – ase sakiTxis dasma arasworia. `patriotTa aliansi~ meCeTis aSenebis winaaRmdegi ar aris. im dros, roca Cven aqciebs vmarTavdiT, baTumSi azizies meCeTis – grandiozuli nagebobis aSeneba igegmeboda. es iyo pirdapir TurqeTis agenturaze gaTvlili muslimuri salocavi. Cveni partia aravis arafers uSlis, Tu vinmes unda, rom gaaZlieros muslimuri salocavebi, samufTos gadauricxos Tanxebi. Tu saWiroa, meCeTic da pansionic, qarTuli fuliT, samufTom aaSenos. meore sakiTxia da mniSvnelovani – ganaTlebis saministrom gaakontrolos, ras aswavlian pansionebSi. informacias, TiTqos `patriotTa aliansi~ muslimebis winaaRmdegia, swored Turquli dazvervis warmomadgenlebi avrceleben da sakmaod efeqturad, amitom mudmivad Tavis marTleba gviwevs. Cemi winaprebic islamis mimdevrebi iyvnen, muslimanebis ojaxSi var gazrdili. im dros movinaTle, roca gacnobierebuli mqonda, ra mindoda.
– rogorc uflebadamcveli, aqtiurobiT gamoirCeodiT, ZiriTadad, Zalovan struqturebs akritikebdiT. ra mdgomareobaa dRes policiaSi?
– albaT, garkveuli wvlili mimiZRvis imaSi, rom aWaraSi braldebulebs ar awameben, Rirsebas ar ulaxaven, ar amcireben, Tumca mwamebeli policielebi mainc rCebian sistemaSi. naTqvamia – micvalebulze an kargs amboben, an araferso. ar minda gardacvlil policielze buta anTaZeze visaubro, Tumca mis mimarT gamoZieba rom dawyebuliyo, rasac moviTxovdi, SesaZloa, tragedia, rac moxda, Tavidan agvecilebina. saqarTvelos Sinagan saqmeTa yofili ministri giorgi mRebriSvili da aWaris policiis departamentis yofili direqtori besik amiranaSvili binZuri adamianebi iyvnen. imis nacvlad, rom Cemi rCeva yurad eRoT, ubinZuresi statia gamomiqveynes, gamomZalveloba, qurdoba, narkomanoba da aTasi sisaZagle damabrales.
– `patriotTa aliansma~ cixis kadrebis gamoqveynebiT didi roli iTamaSa xelisuflebis cvlilebaSi. bolo dros `rusTavi 2~-ma ramdenime siuJeti moamzada cixis Semzarav kadrebze, romlis avtorad da Semoqmedad vladimer bedukaZe daasaxeles. dRes, am gadasaxedidan, ras fiqrobT? ramdenad realuri iyo kadrebi da ra roli Seasrula bedukaZem?
– vladimer bedukaZeze dadebiTis Tqma miWirs. Tavis droze is me myavda belgiaSi gadamaluli. qalbatonma irma inaSvilma da batonma daviT Tarxan-mouravma gamoagzavnes, cixis kadrebi ki mogvianebiT Camoitanes. im sazareli kadrebis naxvis Semdeg, bedukaZe erTi kargad vceme, es ra gagikeTebia-meTqi. kadrebi dadgmuli ar iyo, is, rac vnaxeT, realurad xdeboda cixeebSi, `rusTavi 2~ ki dResac cdilobs, `nacionalur moZraobas~ sibinZureebi Camowmindos, Tumca qarTveli xalxi gonieria da esmis, rom bedukaZem aCvena is, rac sistemaSi xdeboda.
– da im sistemis nawili Tavadac iyo. . .
– geTanxmebiT, magram bedukaZemdec araadamianurad eqceodnen patimrebs. cixis zedamxedvelebs SeeZloT TavianTi binZuri fantaziebi realobad eqciaT, aravin sTxovda maT pasuxs. iseTi kadrebi maqvs nanaxi, gaxsenebac ar minda. sabednierod, kaxa kaxiSvilma sistema ise Secvala da Camoayaliba, rom dRes veravin gabedavs msjavrdebulebis wamebas da araadamianur mopyrobas. ar mindoda im sazizRari kadrebis Temas davbrunebodi, magram samegreloSi `kastilebiani~ kaci adamianebs rom aupatiurebda, esec dadgmuli scenebi iyo? Tumca, amaze ar laparakoben yofili xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi.
– didi albaTobiT, Tqven ar iqnebiT umaRlesi sabWos mSvidi deputati. ras gegmavT, ra mimarTulebiT apirebT muSaobas?
– samwuxarod, deputatebs erTi seni sWirT – profesionalebis mosazrebebis gaTvaliswineba ar uyvarT. vidre gamovidode da raRac Temaze visaubrebde, dargis specialistebTan gavdivar konsultaciebs. ase gavagrZeleb momavalSic. aqtiurad vimuSaveb soflis meurneobis da jandacvis mimarTulebiT. magaliTisTvis minda giTxraT – dRes bevri socialuri samsaxurisken iSvers TiTs, magram yvelaze naklebad socagentebi arian damnaSaveebi, radgan ukuRmarTi kanoni gvaqvs. baton Temur qarcivaZes, aWaris socsaagentos xelmZRvanels vTxove Tavisi xedvis warmodgena, winadadebis momzadeba. . . egeb erToblivi ZalebiT SevZloT xarvezebis gamosworeba. aWaris umaRles sabWos saqarTvelos parlamentSi kanonproeqtis inicirebis ufleba aqvs da es SesaZlebloba unda gamoviyenoT. marTalia, batoni daviT gabaiZe Cemi oponentia, Tumca vaRiareb, is erT-erTi uZlieresi iuristia regionSi. Tavis codnasa da gamocdilebas sworad iyenebs. amdenad, ara mgonia, is sasargeblo iniciativis winaaRmdegi wavides. vgegmav, maqsimaluri komunikacia mqondes mosaxleobasTan, meqneba miRebis dReebi da maT problemebsac gavaJRereb.
– romel partiasTan iTanamSromlebT umaRles sabWoSi?
– yvelasTan. Tu CavTvli, rom sakiTxi Cveni kuTxisTvis, mosaxleobisTvis sasargeblo iqneba, mxars davuWer. mniSvneloba ar eqneba, es iniciativa visgan wamova – poziciisgan Tu opoziciisgan. saameblad mxars veravis davuWer.
– mTavrobis muSaobaze ras ityviT, rogorc aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis makontrolebeli organos warmomadgeneli?
– mTavrobis muSaoba ar momwons, magram ar SemiZlia axalgazrda kacs – Tornike riJvaZes `ocnebis qalaqTan~ dakavSirebiT miRebuli gadawyvetileba ar movuwono, rac misma verc erTma winamorbedma ver SeZlo. rogor ar Sevaqo da madloba ar vuTxra mas, magram `Zveli baTumis damcvelebis~ misamarTiT iseTi gancxadeba gaakeTa, rac politikoss ar ekadreba – Rirseul baTumelebs Seuracxyofa miayena da Tu vinme `barigaa~, keTili inebon da Sesabamis samsaxurebs miawodon informacia. `Zveli baTumis damcvelebs~ absoluturad veTanxmebi da maT gverdiT viqnebi, radgan ar SeiZleba zRvispira zoli Caketo, haeri ar Semovides. ar SeiZleba viRacebma milionebi iSovon qalaqis dazaralebis xarjze, amas ar dauSveben baTumelebi.
– `qarTul ocnebaSi~ mimdinare procesebs, partiidan Zveli saxeebis wasvlas rogor afasebT, mesame Zalis gamoCenaze ras fiqrobT?
– mec velodebi mesame Zalas da minda, is `patriotTa aliansi~ iyos. Cven orjer davexmareT `qarTul ocnebas~: pirvelad xelisuflebaSi moviyvaneT, meored ki saprezidento arCevnebisas SevanarCunebineT xelisufleba. mesamed ukve `patriotTa aliansi~ mova xelisuflebaSi, Cven aucileblad CavanacvlebT `qarTul ocnebas~, mosaxleoba ki dainaxavs, rogor SeiZleba qveynis marTva, korufciis aRmofxvra, sasamarTlo sistemis dalageba da adamianebis keTildReoba.
– batono merab, saubris dasawyisSi TqviT, rom erT dros evrostruqturebSi akreditebuli Jurnalisti iyaviT. sad ufro komfortulad grZnobT Tavs – Jurnalistis, uflebadamcvelis Tu kanonmdeblis ampluaSi?
– miuxedavad imisa, rom akreditebuli Jurnalisti viyavi, mainc ver vuwodeb Tavs Jurnalists. Jurnalistebs sxvagvari midgoma aqvT, rasac alRo ver avuRe. rom gavbrazdebi, aWarulad ise movuqcev-xolme, amas Jurnalistebi ar gaakeTeben (icinis).
