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aWaris sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis direqtoris gadayenebas opozicia da arasamTavrobo seqtori politizirebul procesad miiCnevs
ramdenad sworia amgvari mosazreba, ras fiqrobs biZina ivaniSvilis misamarTiT saias braldebaze da, saerTod, ra problemebi Tu warmatebebi aqvs mmarTvel gunds, amaze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ avtonomiuri respublikis umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris moadgile merab karanaZe
– batono merab, Tqven Tavad iyaviT aWaris televiziis erT-erTi Sefi, ase rom, yvelaze ukeT SegiZliaT SeafasoT iq mimdinare procesebi. riT daadasturebT, rom politizirebuli ar iyo sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis direqtorisTvis undoblobis gamocxadeba?
– aranairi politizireba ar yofila. mogexsenebaT, mrCevelTa sabWos umaRlesi sabWo irCevs politikuri niSniT, kvotebis mixedviT. ubralod, sabWos erT-erTi wevris adgili didi xxnis ganmavlobaSi Tavisufali iyo. garkveuli msjelobis Semdeg avirCieT giga CxartiSvili. SesaZloa, swored amitom dagvbralda `Careva~, arada, gavakeTeT is, rac kanoniT gvevaleboda. rac Seexeba televiziaSi am bolo periodSi Seqmnil viTarebas, amaSi mmarTvel gunds veravin daadanaSaulebs. arc ki gagvixdia es Tema diskusiis sagnad. aranairi zegavlena aravisze ar mogvixdenia. Tavad gansazRvron civi gonebiT imaT, vinc amas ambobs. ramdenime Tve iyo darCenili televiziis direqtoris uflebamosilebis vadis amowurvamde. Tuki amden xans ar CavreulvarT, am periodsac ratom gavxdidiT salaparakod? erTaderTi, rasac vakeTebdiT, vismendiT sabWos angariSs kanoniT gansazRvruli intervalebiT. mrCevelTa sabWos hqonda garkveuli SeniSvnebi, braldebebi, Seikribnen da miiRes is gadawyvetileba, rac miiRes.
– maSin sxvanairad dagisvamT kiTxvas – mogewonaT Tu ara sabWos mier miRebuli gadawyvetileba, anu emxrobiT Tu ara mas?
– Cemgan mowoneba-armowonebaze sajarod saubari ar aris marTebuli. postidan gamomdinare, Tavs Sevikaveb amaze komentarisgan. ver daviwyeb mrCevelTa sabWos revizias da arc imas gamoviZieb, ram miiyvana igi am gadawyvetilebamde, ra gaxda aseTi ukiduresi nabijis mizezi. amaSi mrCevelTa sabWo absoluturd Tavisufalia, iseve, rogorc Tavis droze sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis direqtori iyo Tavisufali. kidev erTxel vimeoreb, Cven ar vzRudavT pirovnebis da sityvis Tavisuflebas, piriqiT, swored amaze gvaqvs agebuli mTeli mmarTveloba.
– rogorc kuluarebSi iTqva, `qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgeneli Tornike mJavanaZe daikavebs gamoTavisuflebul posts. rom gamarTldes es sityvebi, isev da isev mmarTvel gunds miadgeba Crdili, arada, mxolod imitom ver airCion, rom masze winaswar iTqva, arc es iqneba samarTliani.
– diax, mojadoebuli wrea, arada, Tu gavida konkursSi da moiwona mrCevelTa sabWom, gaiTvalisiwina misi codna, gamocdileba, begraundi, ratom ar unda daniSnon? es Tema sazogadoebaSi karga xania trialebs. albaT, swored es adamiani miiCnia man direqtorobis Sesaferisad, magram am mizeziT gamoeTxaraT Ziri naTia kapanaZisTvis, gaficuliyvnen operatorebi, Sekrebiliyo sabWo da atexiliyo amodena aJiotaJi, vfiqrob, araseriozuli braldebaa, yovelgvar logikas da safuZvels moklebuli.
– safuZvlad moaxloebul Sualedur da saparlamento arCevnebs asaxeleben . . .
– mavanTa msgavsad, televiziebiTa da presiT ar vaxdenT zegavlenas amomrCevelze. Cven saTqmels ukeT vambobT masobrivi mSeneblobebiT, socialuri fonis gaumjobesebiT, samuSao adgilebis SeqmniT da mowinave qveynebTan axali, sarfiani saerTaSoriso xelSekrulebebis gaformebiT.
– saiam biZina ivaniSvilic ki daadanaSaula amomrCevlis mosyidvaSi . . .
– es marTlac sasaciloa. yvela moqalaqes moexseneba, rom batoni biZina uangarod iRvwis, aSenebs, aRadgens, awesrigebs, qvelmoqmedebas eweva. es procesi arc guSin dauwyia da arc guSinwin. wina xelisuflebebis periodSic, maSin, roca xalxma arc icoda misi arsebobis Sesaxeb da saxezec ver cnobdnen, amiT iyo dakavebuli. biZina ivaniSvils ar Seuwyvetia qvelmoqmedeba arc sxva qveynis moqalaqeobis, arc saqarTvelos rigiTi moqalaqeobis, arc premier-ministrobis Tu partiis Tavmjdomareobis dros.
– aWaris mTavrobam gadadga uprecedento nabiji – sacxovrebel korpusebs uSenebs maT, vinc ukanonod daikava saxelmwifos kuTvnili miwebi e.w. muyaos qalaqSi. ar geSiniaT precedentis?
– mTavroba yovelTvis unda idges Tavis simaRleze da aravis misces ukanonobis Cadenis ufleba. vgulisxmob kerZo Tu saxelmwifo teritoriebze moqalaqeebis SeWras. rac Seexeba konkretul Temas, SemogibrunebT kiTxvas – ramden xans SeiZleboda am problemaze garedan cqera da umoqmedoba? iyo epidemiis, xanZris gaCenis didi riskebi. cxovrebisaTvis gausaZlis pirobebSi iq 1000-mde bavSvi saxlobda. ramden xans unda dagvexuWa Tvali amaze? aucilebeli gaxda, raime gveRona da swored amitom miiRo Cvenma gundma aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris iniciativa maTTvis normaluri sacxovrebeli pirobebis Seqmnis Sesaxeb. rac Seexeba precedents, es imdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi grZeldeboda da iseT dabrkolebebs awydebodnen ukanonod Casaxlebulebi, ara mgonia, vinmem mibaZos maT.
– amboben, rom bevri arc ki cxovrobda iq, ubralod, ficruli aaSena da axla binas iTxovs.
– `ocnebis qalaqSi~ muSaobs samTavrobo jgufi aWaris jandacvis ministris moadgilis ramaz jinWaraZis xelmZRvanelobiT. maT adgilobrivebTan erTad Seiswavles, vin rodis Casaxlda, ra mizeziT, ramden xans cxovrobda, aRebuli aqvs Tu ara fuladi kompensacia mTavrobisgan, ramdenad ekuTvnis farTi da a. S. marTlac udidesi samuSao gaswies am adamianebma da darwmunebuli var, rom ukanonod, saxelmwifos xarjze aravis daakmayofileben biniT.
– saqarTvelos parlamentSi garkveul etapze umravlesobas gamoakldnen wevrebi, ris Sedegadac `qarTulma ocnebam~ sakonstitucio umravlesoba dakarga. ratom daiwyo es procesi da xom ar niSnavs, rom mmarTveli gundi winasaarCevnod avtoritets kargavs? msgavsi ram xom ar emuqreba aWaris umaRles sabWosac?
– marTalia, sakonstitucio umravlesoba davkargeT, magram `qarTuli ocneba~ myarad dgas da inarCunebs umravlesobas parlamentSi. aAm kuTxiT asaRelvebeli araferia. yvelas gvaxsovs analogiuri procesebi qarTul politikaSi . . . albaT, xelisuflebisken swrafvis, politikurad meryevi bunebis, sakuTar da kolegebis ZalaSi daujereblobis da sxvaTa gamo xdeba es. rac Seexeba aWaris umaRles sabWos, ise Sekruli varT umravlesoba, ar gvaSinebs, rom msgavsi aqac ganmeordeba. kargad viciT, risken viswrafviT da ras vakeTebT. viciT, rom xalxi mxars gviWers da Cvenc mosaxleobisTvis viRvwiT.
– umaRlesi sabWos delegaciis poloneTSi vizitze bevri iTqva . . .
– diax, Cven namdvilad kargi urTierTobebis damyareba movaxerxeT maTTan. Aam dReebSi maTi delegaciac gvestumra. kmayofilebi wavidnen rogorc miRebiT, ise aqauri turistuli potencialis gacnobiT da samomavlo TanamSromlobis gegmebiT. rac Seexeba Cvens amaswinandel vizits sileziis qalaq katoviceSi, gvaxldnen aWaris finansTa da ekonomikis saministros da kurort goderZis warmomadgenlebi, radgan am mxareSi mTis kurortebi Zalian maRal donezea ganviTarebuli. vapirebT gadmoviRoT maTi gamocdileba, Tavadac mzad arian, daxmarebis xeli gamogviwodon rogorc samTo kurortebis ganviTarebaSi dagrovili gamocdilebis gaziarebiT da axali teqnologiebis SemoTavazebiT, ise samTo turizmis popularizaciis kuTxiT. vizitis mTavari mizani sileziis regionul parlamentTan axali TanamSromlobis ganxilva da sxvadasxva mimarTulebiT samTavrobo uwyebebs Soris TanamSromlobis gaaqtiureba iyo, rac sakanonmdeblo kuTxiT evropuli gamocdilebis gaziarebas Seuwyobs xels. vizitis farglebSi Cveni delegacia sileziis savoevodos marSals iakub Celstovskis, regionuli parlamentis Tavmjdomare ian kavuloks, vice-marSal voiCex kalucas, universitetis proreqtor tomaS pietSikovskis da sxvebs Sexvda. ukve karga xania, Cveni qveynebi da regionebi mWidrod TanamSromlobs jandacvis, kulturis, turizmis Tu biznesis sferoebSi.
– aWaris alternatiuli mTavrobis Seqmnis xom ar SegSinebiaT?
– alternatiuli mTavroba da buCqebSi – mTavroba . . . sasaciloa, amaze seriozulad rogor vilaparako?
– aWaraSi mimdinare mSeneblobebs Soris romels gamoarCevT?
– uceb, daufiqreblad SegiZlia daasaxelo proeqtebi, romlebic Zalian mniSvnelovania, amasTan, zogi ukve dasrulda, zogic mimdinareobs, Tanac wina periodTan SedarebiT yvelaferi keTdeba xalxisTvis, bavSvebisTvis, axalgazrdebisTvis. aRar gavamaxvileb Tqvens yuradRebas stadionze, sacurao auzze, sportul skolebze, sportis sasaxleze, Zalosnobis darbazebze, municipalitetebSi mimdinare aRmSeneblobaze. mTian aWaraSi turizmis ganviTareba sruliad axal sicocxles SesZens am kuTxes da iqaurebi qalaqSi ki ar Camosaxldebian, piriqiT, iq daiwyeben samosaxloebis Zebnas. Cveni gegmebi iTvaliswinebs turistuli centrebis Seqmnas rogorc zRvispira zolSi, aseve maRalmTian aWaraSi, ramac unda uzrunvelyos regionis swrafi da efeqturi ganviTareba. marto maRalmTianeTis gazificireba ramdens niSnavs. mTlianobaSi unda ganxorcieldes 119 km gazsadenis mSenebloba. pirveli etapi: salibauridan – xiWauramde (65 km), ukve dasrulda, gazi miyvanilia 11 900 abonentamde. male daiwyeba meore etapi, razec ukve gamocxadda tenderi. gazsadeni aSendeba Suaxevidan goderZamde. amiT moxdeba 15 200 abonentis gazificireba.
– rogorc vici, socialuri saxlebis mSeneblobis problemebi Seiqmna?
– araviTari problema ar Seqmnila. socialuri saxlebis mSeneblobis programa karga xania xorcieldeba. xuloSi ukve Cabarda korpusi, xelvaCauris teritoriaze sami korpusia mzad da wels kidev erTi – 40-biniani saxlis mSeneblobaa dagegmili. aq sacxovrebel farTebs miiReben damewyrilebi, sxva bunebriv kataklizmebSi moxvedrili ojaxebi da usaxlkaroebi.
– rac Seexeba umaRlesi sabWos muSaobas, ra warmatebebi gaqvT?
– erTi mowvevis umaRlesma sabWom konstitucia miiRo da, vfiqrob, sxva araferi rom ar ekeTebina, esec sruliad sakmarisi iqneboda, Tumca miviReT reglamenti – umaRlesi sabWos ZiriTadi saxelmZRvanelo, romliTac dakanonda, rom aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare valdebulia weliwadSi erTxel angariSi Caabaros sakanonmdeblo organos. Aaseve, dawesda ministris saaTi da a.S. sul 87 samarTlebrivi aqti, dadgenileba da kanonproeqtia miRebuli. danarCenebi ganxilvis an inicirebis stadiaSia. maT Soris gamovarCev aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis kanons `sabiujeto procesisa da uflebamosilebaTa Sesaxeb~; `aWaris normatiuli aqtebis Sesaxeb~; `avtonomiuri respublikis mTavrobis struqturis, uflebamosilebisa da saqmianobis wesis Sesaxeb~; `aWaris respublikis qonebis marTvisa da gankargvis Sesaxeb~; `respublikis sabiujeto procesisa da uflebamosilebaTa Sesaxeb~ da sxv. ar vici, romeli erTi CamovTvalo . . . yvelaferi es ar Cans popularuli, rodesac axseneb kanonis anbaniT, magram TiToeulis ukan dgas rigi sakiTxebisa, romelTa gadawyvetisTvisac aucilebelia konkretuli sakanonmdeblo baza.
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ yvelaze did warmatebad ra migaCniaT?
– adamianis uflebaTa da Tavisuflebis dacva, mediasaSualebebis sruli gaTavisufleba saxelisuflebo wnexisagan da rac unda amtkicon Cvenma oponentebma, rom es ase ar aris, Tqven Tavad xom kargad iciT, rom arasodes CavreulvarT redaqciis politikaSi, ar mogvicia aranairi miTiTeba, ra da rogor gaaSuqoT.
