აკუჯბა – გრუზინსკი: აფხაზი ქართველია
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`Cemi fesvebi qarTuli miwis im nawilidan modis, romelsac afxazeTi hqvia. es istoriuli, ZirZveli kuTxea Cemi qveynis: dioskuria, pitiunti, soxumi, oCamCire, gagra, nikofsiis kari, Zveli lazika . . . afxazeTi iyo, aris da iqneba saqarTvelos tkivili manam, sanam Cveni, jer kidev gayinuli xelebi erTmaneTs ar Sexebia, rom vigrZnoT raoden mniSvnelovania erTobisa da Zmobis survili. . . me erTi qarTul- afxazuri ojaxis Svili var, bagrat akujba da vacnobiereb, rom Cveni eris gadarCena teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenaSia. dRes mouSuSebeli iaraa afxazeTi, gamzrdel kalTas moglejili Svilia saqarTvelosi, qristes sixlisa da xorcis moziare – marTlmadidebeli qristiania da gulSi naRverdaliviT Senaxuli saqarTvelos siyvaruliT dadaguli misi nawilia~.
am sityvebma gaiJRera jer baTumis samusiko centris darbazSi, Semdeg ki parizis operis sasaxlis erT patara oTaxSi, sadac qarTulma saTvistomom qarTuli dReebisadmi miZRvnili saRamo gamarTa da iq miiwvia bagrat akujba-gruzinski, arqiteqtor-dizaineri, romelmac es fsevdonimi mxolod da mxolod imis dasturad Seirqva, rom afxazi qarTvelia.
bagrati siamovnebiT ixsenebs afxazeTs, iqaur mosaxleobas, maTTan urTierTobebs da miaCnia, rom Zalian male afxazeTi daubrundeba samSoblos – saqarTvelos. am Temaze gTavazobT intervius bagrat gruzinskisTan.
– daviwyoT Tqveni fsevdonimiT, romelic qarTul samefo karTan asocirdeba. ratom maincdamainc `gruzinski~?
– am gvarSi rusul enaze keTdeba aqcenti qarTvelobaze da swored amitom avirCie. yvelam gaigos, rom afxazi qarTvelia. me aWaraSi mcxovreb afxazebs warmovadgen da mixaria, rom SemiZlia Cems samSobloSi daubrkoleblad cxovreba da moRvaweoba. aRsaniSnavia, rom afxazi warmomavlobis mosaxleoba saukunenaxevarze metia, rac aWaraSi, baTumsa da mis SemogarenSi dasaxlda da am xnis ganmavlobaSi did rols TamaSobs regionis cxovrebaSi. aq araerTma cnobilma afxazma sazogado moRvawem da pirovnebam icxovra da datova sakuTari kvali. maTi STamomavlebi dRemde inarCuneben TavianTi winaprebis tradiciebsa da Rirsebebs. aWaraSi mcxovrebi afxazebi imis saukeTeso magaliTia, Tu rogor SeiZleba mSvidobianad icxovro da iyo warmatebuli, samSobloze Seyvarebuli eri. baTumeli afxazebi ara mxolod mSvidobiT vcxovrobT Cvens regionSi, aramed aqtiurad vmonawileobT Cveni qveynis ganviTarebaSi, regionis kulturul da samecniero cxovrebaSi, Cveni ojaxebi amis mkafio magaliTia.
– yvelaze metad raze ocnebobT qarTul-afxazuri urTierTobebis kuTxiT?
– Cemi, rogorc saqarTvelos moqalaqis, survilia, arc erT sufrasTan, Rvinis TasiT xelSi, ar davlio dakarguli teritoriebis sadRegrZelo, radgan didi imedi maqvs, rom erT mSvenier dRes davlev gaerTianebuli saqarTvelos sadRegrZelos yvelgan, sadac qarTuli sulia, qarTuli sisxlia, sadac Zmobis siyvarulia . . . minda scenaze warmoTqmuli sityvebi aqac gamoviyeno: `imitom, rom Seni sisxli maqvs ZarRvebSi, afxazeTo, Seni guli miZgers mkerdSi, saqarTvelo, Cven ar gvaqvs ufleba, viarseboT uerTmaneTod. Cemi survilia, Catexili xidis gamrTeleba. minda saqarTvelo isev erTiani, minda afxazeTis mzis sxivebiT gamTbari urTie-rTobebi, minda vixilo qarTvelebis da afxazebis keTilganwyobiT gaxarebuli moyvare da gulmokluli mteri. gamosavali mxolod erTia, mxolod adamianuri, sulieri, kulturuli urTierTobebi da ara mtroba. qarTvel-afxazTa tradiciuli urTierToba ki iseTi myaria, rom sisxlis yivili ar gvasvenebs, ar gvasvenebs erTmaneTisken swrafvis Zala da ar mogvasvenebs manam, sanam iarsebebs engurs gaRma da gamoRma saqarTvelos erTobis istoria – Rrmad fesvgadgmuli da Cakiruli duRabad Cvens gulebSi. Tumca sityvebi xom mTlianad ver moicaven cxovrebas da . . . bevri ram damrCa am sityvebis miRma. magram mova dro, Cemo afxazeTo, da kvlav amova mze Sens horizontze, kvlav gaifrialebs xuTjvriani droSa Sens amay mkerdze, rac iqneba imis dadastureba, rom zneobrivi, moraluri principebi harmoniulad aris Serwymuli erTmaneTTan, qarTul-afxazur, eTnikur akademiasTan, romelic aucileblad SeTavsdeba teritoriul mTlianobasTan. es aris Cveni genetikuri triumfi: Zmoba, erToba, mamuli, ena, sarwmunoeba~ . . .
– namdvilad emociuri sityva iyo . . . vnaxe videorgoli da isic vnaxe, rom darbazSi msxdomni tirodnen . . .
– diax, es is sityvebia, romlebic Cemi sulidan, sxeulidan modis. aWaris qalTa saerTaSoriso organizacia `soroptimist-internacionalis~ klub `baTumis~ meSveobiT movxvdi am saRamoze. Semdeg es videorgoli gavrcelda socialur qselSi da miviRe miwveva parizSi. iq saubari Seexo swored am mtkivneul sakiTxs – okupirebul teritoriebs, frangulad warmovTqvi sityva da mixaria, rom yvela damswreze Cemma emociam saTanadod imoqmeda. rac mTavaria, idea da azri yvelam gaigo. iq xazi gavusvi, rom Tu nato da evrokavSiris qveynebi dagvexmarebian am urTierTobebis aRdgenaSi da mxars dagviWeren, uaRresad davalebuli davrCebiT. uRrmesi madlobac gadavuxadeT safrangeTis oficialuri wreebis warmomadgenlebs am konfliqtis daregulirebis survilis gamoxatvis gamo.
– piradad Tu gaqvT urTierToba afxazebTan, CadixarT iq?
– 6 wlis win viyavi afxazeTSi. viTareba Zalian cudia. axalgazrdebs surT saqarTvelosTan kontaqti hqondeT, magram ufrosi Taoba, romelsac ar daviwyebia sisxlisRvra, omi, sikvdili, SimSili, ngreva da qaosi, amis uflebas ar aZlevs maT. es yvelaferi, rac CamovTvale – orive mxridan iyo. ojaxebs, romlebmac axloblebi dakarges, ver auxsni Zireul mizezebs. yvelas Tavisi simarTle aqvs. simarTle 4-nairic SeiZleba iyos, magram WeSmaritebaa erTi – Cveni siyvaruli, Taobebs gamodevnebuli genetika ar dagvakargvinebs erTmaneTs, es SeuZlebelia.
– SeuZlebeli, jerjerobiT, afxazeTis dabruneba Cans . . .
– dro gvWirdeba. rogorc giTxariT, axalgazrdebs aSkarad aqvT interesi saqarTvelos mimarT. moswonT aq mimdinare Zireuli saxelmwifoebrivi cvlilebebi, aRmSenebloba da demokratiaze agebuli politika. loialuri mTavroba, romelic xelgaSlilad afinansebs igive afxazebis mkurnalobas, operaciebs, ganaTlebas, dasvenebas da a.S. ar SeiZleba ar mogewonos. swored amitomaa aucilebeli saxalxo diplomatia, romelic, darwmunebuli var, afxazeTs Semogvarigebs. afxazebma unda dainaxon qarTvelebSi Zmebi da maSin TandaTan, nabij-nabij aRdgeba is urTierToba, romelmac saukuneebs gamogvatara. kargia, rom tardeba sxvadasxva saxis Sexvedra, imarTeba am Temaze saerTaSoriso donis saRamoebi, erTmaneTs ekontaqtebian aqauri da iqauri afxazebi . . . yvelaferi Tavis kvals tovebs, romelic Semdgom xidad iqceva da uflis wyalobiT, saqarTvelo gaerTiandeba.
– ufro detalurad gagvacaniT, rogor cxovrobs soxumi da ras fiqroben soxumelebi?
– iq gaWirvebaa. faqtobrivad, ruseTis standartebiT cxovroben. fasebi moskovuria, rac ar Seesabameba maT Semosavlebs. erT dros zRvispira kurortad cnobili qalaqi axla ferebis gareSea darCenili – ar viTardeba. Zveli ingreva, axali ki ar Sendeba, radgan yvela erideba aseT sadavo regionSi investiciebis ganxorcielebas. bevri iqauri biWi gavicani da davekontaqte. maTgan gavige bevri ram. ruseTic ki erideba iq saxelmwifo doneze kapitalis dabandebas, araTu biznesmenebi, radgan aravin icis, ra moxdeba xval da saiT gadaqandeba avtonomiis pina. Cemi da ara mxolod Cemi TvalsazrisiT, ase didxans ver gagrZeldeba. dRes da xval Tu ara, 5-10 wlis Semdeg mainc SemouerTdeba afxazeTi saqarTvelos. sxvagvarad, am daZabulobaSi, gaurkvevel iuridiul da de faqto statusebSi, areulobis mudmiv molodinSi, verasodes dadgeba fexze Savi zRvis margalitad miCneuli afxazeTi. aravis vakritikeb, magram realuri politikuri amindis prognozi swored aseTia.
– amJamad, rogorc vici, savizo reJimi daaweses . . .
– diax, sazRvris gadasalaxad viza gWirdeba. Tuki gyavs iq naTesavebi, maTgan unda miiRo mowveva. adre ar iyo amis problema. erT furcelze keTdeboda nebarTva, romelsac xels afxazeTis mTavrobis Tavmjdomare awerda da Sediodi Cveulebrivad. minda isic aRvniSno, rom TandaTan viTardeba biznesurTierTobac. qarTuli saqoneli bevri Sedis.
– yvelaze mtkivneulad ra gaxsendebaT afxazeTTan mimarTebaSi?
– me-7 klasSi viyavi, soxumSi rom CavediT. iseTi daZabuli situacia iyo, qarTulad verc ki dailaparakebdi, maSinve yuradRebis centrSi moeqceodi da advili SesaZlebeli iyo, specsamsaxurs `aeyvane~. axla bazrobebze Tavisuflad laparakoben qarTuladac da megruladac.
– arian iq qarTvelebi?
– rogor ara, Zalian bevri qarTvelia darCenili, ufro metad, megrelebi, Tumca pasportSi afxazi uweriaT. magaliTad, abaSiZes ZirZvel afxazad moaqvs Tavi. omi mxolod ufros TaobaSia darCenili. swored isini uamboben zizRiT umcrosebs saqarTveloze. maT CvenTan SemoerTeba ki ara, qarTvelebis danaxvac ar undaT, radgan iseTebic arian, 2-3-5 Svili rom Seswires am usamarTlo oms . . . amis miuxedavad, maTTanac unda visaubroT, oRond – frTxilad. omi sad ar yofila. magaliTad germaniac gveyofa, romlis wamowyebul omebs msoflios sxvadasxva qveyanaSi milionobiT adamiani emsxverpla, Tumca dRes es qveyana evrokavSirSia gaerTianebuli da masTan yvelas normaluri, kulturul-ekonomikuri urTierTobebi akavSirebs. germanelis xsenebaze aravin ixsenebs omSi daRupul ojaxis wevrebs . . . magram aq jer isev stkivaT, ver moiSuSes iarebi. es bunebrivi movlenaa, rasac mxolod siyvaruli uSvelis.
– sazogadoebriv asparezze gamosvliT sakmaod popularuli gaxdiT qarTul-afxazur wreebSi, Tumca aseTive popularuli xarT profesiaSic. Tqveni kompania `remonts.ji~ ukve araerTi welia, stabilurad inarCunebs warmatebul pozicias. modiT, Tqvens bizneszec gviambeT, radgan arqiteqturuli dizaini sakmaod sainteresoa regionis sinamdvilisTvis.
– Cveni kompania ukve 14 weliwadia, rac Tbilisis bazarzea da aqedan 4 weli – baTumSi. maT, visac surs binis garemonteba, Cven vTavazobT saukeTeso, Tanamedrove dizains, aqve minda aRvniSno, rom Zalian morgebuli fasebi gvaqvs yvela biujetisTvis.
– ras gansazRvravs binis dizaini da ramdenad mniSvnelovania is Tanamedrove adamianisTvis?
– sacxovreblis unikaluri iersaxe damokidebulia mflobelis xasiaTze. SemoqmedebiTi gemovnebisa da skrupulozuri sizustis wyalobiT Seqmnili binis dizaini ufro komfortuls gaxdis im sivrces, sadac cxovrebis umetes nawils atarebT. Tumca aucilebelia, igi ara mxolod Tvals axarebdes, aramed mravalfunqciuric iyos, raTa Seesabamebodes cxovrebis aucilebel moTxovnebs. mniSvnelovania samSeneblo da mosapirkeTebeli masalebis swori SerCeva, radgan amazea damokidebuli momavali interieris xarisxi.
– ra tarifebi gaqvT?
– gvaqvs ekonomklasi, evroklasi, haiklasi, romelic gulisxmobs avejs, teqnikas da saerTod, mTeli saxlis mowyobas fardebianad. aq e.w. Wkviani saxlis funqciis CarTvac igulisxmeba, samzareulos da avejis zedapirebis kvarciT da marmariloTi mopirkeTeba da a.S.
– ekonomklasi ra Rirs?
– erTi kvadratuli metri 145 aSS dolari anu, 14,5 aTas dolarad 100 kvadratul metr binas gavaremontebT da gasaRebs CavabarebT klients. cxadia, saremonto masalebi, santeqnika, eleqtrooba, samzareulo, abazana-tualetis aqsesuarebic Sedis RirebulebaSi. am 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi baTumSi 250 bina gavaremonteT, kerZo saxlebic avaSeneT, Tumca maqsimum 5-sarTulians vaSenebT, mets ara.
– vinc remonts akeTebs, gansakuTrebiT ras unda miaqcios yuradReba?
– upirvelesad, ekologiurad sufTa masalebis gamoyenebas, rac Zalian mniSvnelovania cxovrebis am etapze. kargad iciT, rogori dabinZurebulia garemo. Cven, ZiriTadad, berZnul saRebavebs da `kaparolis~ firmis produqcias viyenebT, iafic aris da xarisxianic.
– yvelaze metad ra ar mogwonT Tanamedrove dizainSi?
– gadaWarbebuli sicive . . . Tanac, es yvelaferi Zviria, naklebad komfortuli da male gadadis modidan. amitom Cven varCevT klasikas Tanamedrove elementebiT. ufro met myudroebas qmnis da lamazicaa. Cvens proeqtebSi viyenebT modur siaxleebs da gamocdil teqnologiebs . . . am bolos momReralma valeri melaZem SegvikveTa binis garemonteba. imedi gvaqvs, kmayofili dagvrCeba. sxvaTa Soris, aSeneba, mowesrigeba, galamazeba Cemi profesiaa. is, rac DdRes keTdeba aWaraSi, vgulisxmob regionSi mimdinare mSeneblobebs, grandiozul proeqtebs, male afxazeTSic gakeTebuliyos.