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aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis ministris skandalurad
gaTavisuflebis Semdeg, aRniSnul Tanamdebobaze regionis mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem maia xajiSvili daniSna. gTavazobT intervius axal
ministrTan, romelic am etapze uwyebis gacnobiT da Zireuli sakiTxebis SeswavliTaa dakavebuli
profesiiT iuristi, garkveuli periodis ganmavlobaSi saministroSi iuridiuli da adamianuri resursebis marTvis departamentis ufrosad, aseve, sxva Tanamdebobebze muSaobda da bevr sakiTxze gaaCnia Camoyalibebuli xedva, samomavlod gansaxorcielebeli politika – principuli poziciebiT.
– qalbatono maia, gilocavT axal Tanamdebobas. sakmaod did uwyebas CaudeqiT saTaveSi. rogor fiqrobT, ratom SeCerda Tqvenze arCevani da riT xelmZRvanelobdiT, rodesac daTanxmdiT am postze daniSvnas?
– am kiTxvas sakuTar Tavs Tavadac vusvam, radgan Cvens regionSi bevri Rirseuli adamiania, romelic warmatebuli ministri iqneboda. pirvel rigSi, didi pasuxismgeblobaa mTavrobis Tavmjdomarisa da mTlianad gundis winaSe am SemoTavazebaze daTanxmeba, magram es gadawyvetileba miviRe im mizeziT, rom, uzarmazari gamowvevis miuxedavad, SesaZlebloba momeca, CaverTo regionisTvis mniSvnelovani proeqtebis ganxorcielebaSi da mokrZalebuli wvlili Sevitano farTomasStabiani ganaTlebis reformis realizaciaSi. xelmZRvanelis postze yofnis gamocdileba maqvs. vxelmZRvanelobdi umaRlesi sabWos aparats, marTalia, mxolod weliwad-naxevari davyavi iq, magram am mokle droSi SevZeli SemeZina menejerisTvis aucilebeli unar-Cvevebi da erT gundad Semekra mTeli personali, raTa gvemuSava saerTo miznisTvis. amas daemata saministroSi Tavis droze miRebuli gamocdileba, urTierTobebi, romelic jer kidev maSin Camomiyalibda kulturis, ganaTlebis da sportis uwyebebis TanamSromlebTan. gaviTvaliswine isic, rom maqvs safinanso-samarTlebriv sferoebSi muSaobis gamocdileba – wlebis ganmavlobaSi viyavi Sesyidvebis menejeri. es yvelaferi avwon-davwone da mxolod amis Semdeg gavbede da SemoTavazebul Tanamdebobas davTanxmdi. regionSi arsebul, ganaTlebis, kulturis da sportis sferoebSi moqmed yvela dawesebulebas da lamis yvela TanamSromels vicnob. Tavidanve gaverkvie saministros zogad koncefciaSi – ra gavakeToT, rogor ajobebs, ra gvinda. vici, ra sWirdebaT, ra gamowvevebis winaSe arian da aqedan gamomdinare, rogor SeiZleba am dawesebulebebis, programebis trasformireba ise, rom dRevandel moTxovnebs upasuxon.
– rogor Caiara koleqtivTan pirvelma Sexvedrebma?
– gavmarTeT ramdenime Sexvedra, maT Soris, kulturis sferos warmomadgenlebTan. iq iyvnen Teatrebis samxatvro xelmZRvanelebi, muzeumebis, musikaluri, samxatvro Tu saxelovnebo centrebisa da skolebis direqtorebi, sazogadoebis TvalsaCino warmomadgenlebi. es is xalxia, romelic emsaxureba da tradiciebze dayrdnobiT qmnis qarTul kulturas, romliTac ase vamayobT. visaubreT, ganvixileT rigi poziciebi, gavcvaleT azrebi. kmayofili davrCi, radgan vigrZeni am kvalificiuri adamianebis mzaoba cvlilebebisa da reformebisTvis. Cemi mosazrebebi maT molodins daemTxva da davrwmundi, rom Tuki erT gundad SevikvrebiT, yvelafers SevZlebT. vgulisxmob arsebuli kulturuli miRwevebis movla-patronobas da mcire doziT komercializacias, raTa am adamianebs Semosavali gaezardoT da sakuTari Tavis realizacia moaxdinon axal sabazro pirobebSi. TanamSromloba sawyis etapze Sedga, uaxloes momavalSi ki saqmiani nabijebic gadaidgmeba.
– ra komentars gaakeTebT winamorbedi ministris uecari gadayenebis Taobaze da faqtze, ramac es gamoiwvia. Tavad rogor moiqceodiT msgavs situaciaSi?
– Cemgan cotaTi uxerxulia am sakiTxze saubari. faqtia, qveynis damoukideblobis dRes rusuli droSebis gamoCenas sazogadoeba uaryofiTad Sexvda. arc erTi moqalaqe ar darCenila negatiuri ganwyobis gareSe da, Sesabamisad, miRebul iqna es gadawyvetileba. xarvezebisa da Secdomebisgan aravinaa dazRveuli, Tumca SemiZlia vTqva, rom vacnobiereb im udides pasuxismgeblobas saxelmwifosa da sazogadoebis winaSe, rac am Tanamdebobas Tan axlavs, Sesabamisad, Tu dadgeba msgavsi pasuxismgeblobis aRebis momenti, mzad viqnebi amisaTvis. Aaqve minda xazgasmiT aRvniSno isic, rom am uwyebas yovelTvis hyavda gamorCeuli, kompetenturi xelmZRvanelebi, romlebmac dRemde moitanes gamarTuli sistema. madlobis meti araferi meTqmis Cems winamorbed ministrebze.
– wina ministris Secdomebis gaTvaliswinebiT, ra poziciis dakavebas apirebT ruseTis ansamblebis wevrebisa Tu sportsmenebis mimarT?
– am sakiTxis mimarT calsaxa poziciis dakaveba rTulia. uamravi rusi turisti Camodis, bevri rusi sportsmeni monawileobs aq gamarTul saerTaSoriso asparezobebSi. amas aravin krZalavs, magram am yvelafers ar unda dahkravdes politikuri elferi, ar unda warmoqmnas kiTxvebi Cveni saxelmwifos suverenitetis xelSeuxeblobasTan, mis mimarT pativiscemasTan dakavSirebiT. yvela im qmedebis mimarT, romelic pirdapir Tu iribad Seexeba qveynis interesebs, viqnebi principuli.
– Tqven axseneT rigi programebis Secvla. romels gulisxmobdiT?
– 53 milions aRemateba saministros mTliani biujeti. Tanxis sworad gadanawilebas da daxarjvas sWirdeba saWiroebebis sworad danaxva. swored es vigulisxme programebis transformirebaze saubrisas.A am SemTxvevaSi ar miviReb erTpirovnul gadawyvetilebebs. viqnebi absoluturad Ria Sesabamisi sferos warmomadgenlebisTvis. es SeiZleba iyos sportsmenic, mSobelic, xelovanic anu is pirebi, romlebic uSualod arian CarTulni ama Tu im procesSi. maTTan dialogis safuZvelze gadavxedavT im programebs, romlebic wlebia, xorcieldeba da amowura Tavi: mohyva dadebiTi Sedegi an gavida im poziciaze, rom saxelmwifo dafinansebis Sewyvetis Semdgom SeZlos TviTrealizacia.
– gamoTavisuflebuli TanxebiT romel axal programebs daafinansebT, ukve gaqvT mimarTuleba?
– SevxvdiT ganaTlebis departamentis warmomadgenlebs. SesaZloa, davamatoT TanamSromeli, romelic imuSavebs skolamdeli aRzrdisa da profesiuli ganaTlebis programebze. saministro msgavsi mimarTulebis programebs ar afinansebs. mimaCnia, rom es aris saerTo jaWvis is rgolebi, romelic aklia Cveni uwyebis ganaTlebis programebs. damateba aucilebelia, raTa aq moqmedi yvela safexuri iyos Tanmimdevruli da gamarTuli. wesisamebr, programebi, romelic erTmaneTTan ar aris koordinirebuli, SesaZloa garkveul Sedegs iZleodes, magram saerTo mizans ver emsaxureba. Cemi survilia, es programebi Camoyalibdes koordinaciis principiT da momavali wlis biujetSi SevitanoT. mogexsenebaT, wlevandeli biujetis Tanxa ukve gadanawilebulia. am etapze mivyvebiT arsebul programebs.
– Tqven paralelurad muSaobT baTumis universitetSi da grigol robaqiZis universitetis baTumis warmomadgenlobaSi. pedagogis poziciidan rogor SeafasebT ganaTlebis axal reformas?
– universitetSi pedagogiuri saqmianoba Tavis gamosacdelad daviwye. jer ar var Sesuli konkretul mecnierul poziciebze, vmuSaob rogorc mowveuli specialisti, magram minda giTxraT, rom im minimaluri saaTebiT, rac iq maqvs, emociis TvalsazrisiT, maqsimalurs viReb studentebisgan. arasodes mindoda maswavlebloba, radgan pedagogebis ojaxSi gavizarde. Cemi mama, babua, biZebi Tu mamidebi fizikos-maTematikosebi iyvnen, bavSvobidan vxedavdi, uzarmazar Sromas rom axarjavdnen skolas, sayvarel saqmes. saboloo jamSi aRmoCnda, rom Tavs vityuebdi. imdenad did pozitivs viReb axalgazrdebis swavlebiT, maTTan urTierTobiT, azrTa aqtiuri gacvla-gamocvliT da polemikiT, rom es yofila Cemi WeSmariti mowodeba. rogorc pedagogi, vxedav ganaTlebis reformis masStabebs da vacnobiereb, ra samuSaoebia Casatarebeli. mzad varT, aqtiurad SevuwyoT xeli saqarTvelos ganaTlebis saministros regionSi erTiani saxelmwifo politikis gatarebaSi. Tu ar moxda regionis Zalebis sruli konsolidacia da yvela rgoli ar CaerTo reformis ganxorcielebaSi, ver miviRebT im Sedegs, romelic Zirfesvianad gardaqmnis ganaTlebis sferos da Seufardebs mas Tanamedrove msoflio standartebs. sabolood ki miviRebT xarisxian swavlebas sajaro skolebsa Tu umaRles saswavleblebSi, rac TiToeulis interesebSia.
– xom ar fiqrobT, rom winamorbedi reformebis kvaldakval, cvlilebebi kidev ufro arevs sistemas da daamZimebs am sferoSi arsebul viTarebas?
– uprecedentoa aseTi masStaburi reforma. aqamde ganxorcielebul arc erT reformas aseTi didi finansuri mxardaWera ar hqonia. darwmunebuli var, yvela cvlileba umtkivneulod da warmatebulad gatardeba sistemis yvela rgolSi. maswavleblis Sromis dafaseba amosavali wertilia nebismieri problemis daregulirebis dros. swored es mihyveba wiTel xazad im reformas, romelic SemuSavda da ukve daiwyo misi sawyisi etapebis praqtikaSi ganxorcieleba. vgulisxmob maswavlebelTa anazRaurebas, saTanado samuSao pirobebis Seqmnas, kvalifikaciaze zrunvas, Rvawlmosil pedagogTa sistemidan Rirseulad, dafasebulad gacilebas da axalgazrda kadrebisTvis gzis gaxsnas. yvela es faqtori gaTvlilia am reformaSi.
– Tqveni moadgileebis sakiTxi rogor gadawydeba?
– badri nakaSiZe da aleqsandre daviTaZe ukve dainiSnen da daviwyeT maTTan oficialuri TanamSromloba, Tumca kabinetis srulad dasakompleqteblad kadrebi gvaklia da am Temaze konsultaciebi mimdinareobs. uaxloes periodSi miviRebT saboloo gadawyvetilebas.
– kulturuli memkvidreobis dacvis departamentSi Tu gatardeba cvlilebebi?
– saagento kadrebiT dakompleqtebulia. mogexsenebaT, es rTuli da sensitiuri sferoa samarTavad. minda aRvniSno, rom departamenti kargad arTmevs Tavs mosaxleobisa da samoqalaqo seqtoris sxvadasxva pretenziasa da moTxovnas. mudmivi meTvalyureobaa sazogadoebis mxridan. am process vakvirdebodi rigiTi moqalaqis poziciidan da aRvniSnav TanamSromlebis kvalifikaciasa da droul reagirebas qalaqisa Tu regionisaTvis mtkivneul sakiTxebze. maTTvis gaTvaliswinebul Tanxebs, biujetis koreqtirebisas kidev daemata programebi, aqvT seriozuli proeqtebi. garda amisa, 5 msxvil proeqts afinansebs fondi `qarTu~, romlis wardgineba ukve moewyo. vimedovneb, sakmaod farTomasStabiani proeqtebi ganxorcieldeba kulturuli memkvidreobis dacvis kuTxiT.
– sportuli infrastruqtura Zalian swrafad Sendeba, am sferoSi mniSvnelovani investiciebia ganxorcielebuli. romel proeqts aRniSnavT gansakuTrebulad?
– Cveni saministros kabinetebidan Cans stadionis mSenebloba, romelic aTwleulebis ganmavlobaSi ar hqonda baTums. SevxvdiT sportsmenebs, Cvens sanaqebo msoflio da evropis Cempionebs, romlebic namdvilad imsaxureben saTanado materialur-teqnikur bazas da maRali klasis infrastruqturas, rac Sendeba kidec Zalian swrafi tempebiT. aqve minda siamayiT aRvniSno, rom baTumi evropis sportuli qalaqis statuss atarebs. erTs davamateb – mTel am sqemaSi mTavari roli eniWeba Cvens moswavle-axalgazrdobasa da maT mSoblebs, radgan Tanadgomis da sportSi aqtiurad CarTvis gareSe SeuZlebelia gvqondes warmatebuli momavali.
– xSirad saubroben mouwesrigebel skolis Senobebze, romelTa garemontebaze Tavis droze sakmao Tanxa daixarja.
– ganaTlebis sistemaSi bevri infrastruqturuli proeqti xorcieldeba, Tumca sajaro skolebis kuTxiT kidev aris darCenili mouwesrigebeli obieqtebi, romlebsac aucileblad gavaremontebT. aqve aRvniSnav, rom iseT mravalricxovan uwyebaSi, rogoric skolaa (moswavleebi, maswavleblebi, mSoblebic), remontisTvis gacilebiT mokle vadaa gaTvaliswinebuli, vidre sxva sivrceSi. amitomac, ukve garemontebuli Senoba xelaxal remonts saWiroebs. aqve vacxadeb, rom erT problemas ar davtoveb uyuradRebod. vgulisxmob, direqciebis damokidebulebas saxelmwifos mier kapitalurad garemontebul-reabilitirebuli nagebobis gadabarebis dros unda gaZlierdes maTi pasuxismgebloba materialur-teqnikuri bazis movla-patronobaze. ar minda davkonkretde, magram erTs vityvi – iyo SemTxveva, roca elementaruli uyuradRebobis da drouli SeukeTeblobis gamo, mciredi ziani iqca seriozuli danaxarjebis mizezad. msgavss ar davuSvebT.
– gaagrZelebT kinowarmoebis programis dafinansebas?
– diax, es namdvilad warmatebuli programaa, Tumca xarvezia aq Cadebuli Tanxis gankargvis meqanizmSi. es wminda finansur-iuridiuli problemaa, romelzec axla saubars ar Sevudgebi, ubralod, aRvniSnav, rom vapirebT muSaobas am kuTxiT.
– profesiuli swavlebis ganviTarebis mxriv ras gegmavT?
– baTumSi ukve dagegmilia ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis qalaqis mSenebloba, romelic srulad upasuxebs am sferoSi arsebul gamowvevebs da Zireulad aRmofxvris profesiuli ganaTlebis, saswavleblebis da profesiebis deficits. garda amisa, reforma profesiuli ganaTlebis miRebasTan erTad, sruli zogadi ganaTlebis atestatis gacemasac iTvaliswinebs, rac gazrdis dainteresebas. amasTan, profsaswavleblebis programebiT axalgazrdebis drouli, operatiuli dasaqmebaa gaTvaliswinebuli, rac gaaumjobesebs maT ekonomikur mdgomareobas. es procesi, saboloo jamSi, socialuri fonis gaumjobesebas Seuwyobs xels da mTavari xazi iqneba mosaxleobis dasaqmebis problemis mogvarebis kuTxiT.
– studentebis dafinanseba gagrZeldeba?
– es programa wlebia, warmatebiT xorcieldeba. dafinansebisTvis gamoyofili Tanxa ufro gaizrdeba. batoni Tornike riJvaZis uSualo gadawyvetilebiT, momavali wlis biujetSi igegmeba ucxoeTSi swavlebis dafinansebis gazrda, raTa ufro metma axalgazrdam SesZlos dasavluri ganaTlebis miReba da iq SeZenili codnis samSoblosTvis moxmareba.
– turistul sezonze kulturuli RonisZiebebis Secvla-damatebas xom ar apirebT?
– turistul sezonze bevri RonisZiebaa dagegmili. samomavlod meti yuradReba mieqceva am aqtivobebis gansakuTrebul reklamirebas, raTa sazogadoebam icodes, ra keTdeba saministros egidiT. Sevxvdi kulturis sferoSi dasaqmebulebs. aRmoCnda, rom sazogadoebaSi informaciis deficitia. vapirebT turizmis departamentTan erTad muSaobas, raTa sazogadoebas mivawodoT zusti informacia, sad ra imarTeba da vin monawileobs. Zalian bevri materialuri da adamianuri resursi ixarjeba kulturis, xelovnebis da sportis sferoSi. xorcieldeba gansxvavebuli speqtris saintereso proeqtebi, romelzec arc ki smenia mosaxleobis nawils, gansakuTrebiT, municipalitetebSi, mwiri informaciuli velis gamo. gpirdebiT, me da Cemi gundi viqnebiT maqsimalurad Ria sazogadoebisaTvis (ar vgulisxmob sajaroobas, romelic aqamdec garantirebuli gaxldaT dainteresebul pirTaTvis) da Zalisxmevas ar daviSurebT Cveni sistemis ufro awyobilad, warmatebulad funqcionirebisaTvis.
– gisurvebT warmatebebs!
