როგორ აპირებს ,,პატრიოტთა ალიანსი” ქვეყანაში ეკონომიკური პრობლემების მოგვარებას?
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am dReebSi saqarTvelos `patriotTa aliansma~ sakmaod mravalricxovani aqcia gamarTa baTumSi. Tu ras iTxovdnen mitingze sityviT gamomsvlelebi da ra pozicia ukavia am partias Tanamedrove saqarTvelos politikur cxovrebaSi, amaze da sxva sakiTxebze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ interviuSi goCa TevdoraZe – `saqarTvelos patriotTa aliansis~ aRmasrulebeli mdivani.
– ra Temebze gaakeTeT aqcenti mitingze da ratom Catarda aqcia maincdamainc baTumSi?
– Temebi, romlebic win wamovwieT, iyo: samxedro miumxrobloba, ara – `qarTul ocnebas~, ara – `nacmoZraobas~! vacxadebdiT, rom gvinda mSvidoba, pirdapiri urTierToba – afxazeTTan, oseTTan, ruseTTan. es aqciebi quTaisSi daiwyo 9 aprils. Semdeg gagrZelda TbilisSi, amas daemata garejis samonastro kompleqsis teritoriaze Catarebuli mitingi, Semdeg isev TbilisSi, Tavisuflebis moedanze SevikribeT, momdevno sportis sasaxle iyo, viyaviT zugdidSic da radgan sxvadasxva regioni movicaviT, baTumis rigic dadga, Sesabamisad, aqac CavatareT.
– rogor fiqrobT, mitingze mosuli xalxi TanagigrZnobdaT politikur gancxadebebSi?
– iseT mzeSi idga is xalxi, TavisTavad cxadia, am sakiTxebze aris Tanxvedra. yovelwliurad, yovel Semdgom mitingze erTbaSad aTasobiT izrdeba SekrebilTa ricxvi anu Cveni ideis mxardamWerTa raodenoba. modian isini, visac aRar surs koabitirebuli `nacmoZraoba~ mis ganStoeba bokeriasTan erTad da xelisuflebis saTaveSi – `qarTuli ocneba~. modian isini, visac namdvilad unda teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenisken qmediTi nabijebis gadadgma. yvela vTanxmdebiT – pozicia, opozicia, saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba, rom saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgena SeiZleba mxolod mSvidobiani gziT, es ki, upirvelesad, gulisxmobs dialogs am situaciasTan dakavSirebul mxareebTan: ruseTTan, afxazeTsa da oseTTan.
– ramdenad gamarTlebulia am etapze moskovTan dialogi?
– Tavad im adamianebs rom hkiTxoT, vinc ruseTTan dapirispirebis aJitirebas axdenen da ruseTze nebismier sityvas qveynis Ralatad aRiqvamen, getyvian, rom qveynis teritoriuli mTlianoba unda aRdges mSvidobiani gziT, rac mxolod da mxolod dialogiT miiRweva. hoda, maS, visTan vawarmooT es dialogi, afrikis qveynebTan? es cxinvalsa da soxums dagvibrunebs? TavisTavad gamodis, rom unda velaparakoT afxazebs, osebs, rusebs. cxadia, unda velaparakoT briuselsac da vaSingtonsac, magram rusebTan saubris gareSe Cvens ZiriTad mizans – qveynis gamTlianebas ver mivaRwevT. Tu dialogi gvinda, ritorika unda SevcvaloT. karga xania pirze gvakeria da viZaxiT – okupantia, okupantia, okupantia! ra mogvitana aman? araferi sasikeTo… es yvelam viciT, magram ra dialogzea saubari am reJimSi? elementarulad, or rigiT adamians ver Searigeb am toniT da meTodiT. aucilebelia maTi interesebis gaTvaliswineba da Sexebis wertilebis povna. Tuki waCxubebulebs davsvamT pirispir da erTi maSinve meoris lanZRvas daiwyebs, cxadia, iq saubari aRar Sedgeba. meti diplomatia, moqnili politikaa saWiro. amitom aqeTken movuwodebT xelisuflebasac da Tavadac am kuTxiT vdgamT qmediT nabijebs. amis momxrea saqarTvelos mosaxleobis didi nawili, romlis raodenoba aqciidan aqciamde izrdeba da am pozicias naTlad afiqsirebs.
– moskovi liton sityvebs arafrad agdebs, sanacvlod damorCilebas moiTxovs. rogor fiqrobT, amden xans dasavleTisken mimarTuli kursi mTlianad unda SevcvaloT da gezi ruseTisken aviRoT anu davbrundeT iq, saidanac Zlivs davaRwieT Tavi?
– me Tavidanve vaxsene samxedro miumxrobloba, rac imas niSnavs, rom uari ar vTqvaT evropaze. piriqiT, svla ufro didi tempebiT unda gavagrZeloT evrokavSiris namdvili wevrobisaken. amavdroulad, ar gavwevriandeT romelime samxedro blokSi da davazRvioT Cveni qveyana nebismieri sxva qveynis samxedro bazebad gadaqcevisgan. istoriis, cxovrebis am etapze vTvliT, rom saqarTvelosTvis usafrTxoebis, uSiSroebis, Tavdacvisunarianobis, ekonomikuri ganviTarebisTvis ruseTTan dialogi umniSvnelovanesia.
– ruseTTan dialogis garda, ras sTavazobs amomrCevels `patriotTa aliansi~?
– aqcents gavakeTeb ekonomikaze. Cven vTavazobT xelisuflebas, rom yovelwliurad saxelmwifo biujetidan gamovyoT naxevari miliardi lari da gavunawiloT im adamianebs, romlebsac aqvT praqtikuli, gamarTlebuli bizneswinadadeba. es niSnavs imas, rom yovelwliurad daaxloebiT 10 aTasi ojaxi daiwyebs saojaxo bizness, rac 7-8 weliwadSi siRaribis da umuSevrobis problemas amoZirkvavs. is 10 aTasi ojaxi Tundac or-sam ojaxs xom daasaqmebs? amitom 7-8-wlian monakveTSi Cven SegviZlia 400-500 aTasi ojaxi gvyavdes iseTi, romelsac sakuTari biznesi, sakuTari saqme, Semosavlebi eqneba, amitom vTvliT, rom es procesi siRaribidan gamogviyvans. aseve gvaqvs programa, romliTac mTavrobas Zalian martivad SeeZleba daZlios usaxlkaroba. dRes es problema Zalian mwvaved dgas da 21-e saukuneSi am sakiTxis mouwesrigebloba anomaliaa.
– da is martivi gza, romelic amodena problemis mosagvareblad gamonaxeT, gaacaniT mmarTvel gunds?
– rodesac xelisuflebas oponirebis reJimSi vudgavarT, sxva politikuri Zalebisgan gansxvavebiT, vTavazobT ama Tu im problemis mogvarebis realur gzas. sxva politikuri Zalebi eZeben kritikis obieqts da mxolod mTavrobis braldebebiT, mxilebebiT Semoifarglebian: `amas ar akeTebs, imas ar akeTebs~… kaco, es mTavroba qveynisTvis arafers sasikeTos rom ar akeTebs, amas Cvenc vaRiarebT, magram konkretul problemas rodesac vsvamT, misi mogvarebis gzasac vTavazobT xelisuflebas da Tu mmarTveli gundi am aqciebiT mainc ver mova gons, maSin Cven gamoviyenebT konstituciiT moniWebul yvela kanonier uflebas, gamovnaxavT nebismier xerxs, gzas da mosaxleobis mxardaWeriT, Cveni ZalisxmeviT es xelisufleba daasrulebs Tavis mmarTvelobas.
– Zalian kategoriuli gancxadebaa. miuxedavad amisa, minda TqvaT, ra dadebiTi da uaryofiTi roli iTamaSa qveynisTvis `qarTulma ocnebam~, romlis saTaveSi moyvanas sxvebTan erTad, Tqvenma partiamac Seuwyo xeli?
– Cven mxardamWerebi ki ara, faqtobrivad, mokavSireebi viyaviT. jer kidev maSin, rodesac `patriotTa aliansi~ politikur Zalad ar iyo Camoyalibebuli da mxolod saakaSvilis reJimis winaaRmdeg moZraobas warmoadgenda, TavisTavad SeukavSirda `qarTul ocnebas~, romelic politikur asparezze gamoCnda imave motivebiT. kargad iciT isic, rom `ocneba~ saTaveSi ver movidoda `patriotTa aliansis~ gareSe. movida da ra qna?! daadga igive gzas, rasac wina xelisufleba. pirvel rigSi, gamoacxada koabitacia saakaSvilis danaSaulebriv reJimTan da mas Semdeg imeorebs imave Secdomebs, rasac wina mmarTveli gundi. amitom es yvelaferi droulad unda Sewydes.
– rodis gadawyviteT gancalkeveba?
– amis aucilebloba pirvelad davinaxeT 2015 wels, rodesac partiis generaluri mdivani irma inaSvili kenWs iyrida Sualedur arCevnebSi da `qarTulma ocnebam~ totalurad gaayalba sagarejos olqis Sedegebi, swored es iqca wyalgamyofad Cvensa da `qarTul ocnebas~ Soris, radgan naTlad davinaxeT, rom verafer Rirebuls ver Seqmnida am qveynisTvis rogorc sagareo, ise saSinao kuTxiT, verc socialur-ekonomikur sakiTxebs gadawyvetda, verc teritoriul mTlianobas an samarTlianobas aRadgenda, saarCevno kanons ukeTesobisken ver Secvlida da a.S. es yvelaferi Cvens Tvalwin moxda. jer kidev 2012 wels dapirebuli saarCevno kanonis Secvla 2016-Sic ar Seasrula. 2020 wlisTvis gvpirdebodnen da gadades 2024 wlisTvis. igives izamda saakaSvili, Tuki etyodnen, modi erTi 30 weli iyavi saTaveSi da amis Semdeg Secvale saqarTvelos konsititucia im kuTxiT, rom proporciuli arCevnebi Catardeso.
– Tqven mxolod negativze isaubreT, nuTu kargi araferi gaukeTebiaT?
– Znelia `qarTuli ocnebis~ pozitivze isaubro. yvelaze didi miRweva is iyo, rom adamianebs gauCina imedi, romelic Tavadve daasamara im wlebis ganmavlobaSi, rac qveynis saTaveSia. am periodSi laris devalvacia xdeba, socialuri kuTxiT veravis vexmarebiT, kidev ufro metad gaRaribda xalxi, umuSevrobam piks miaRwia, Tumca vinc muSaobs, mas xelfasi or dResac ar hyofnis da igive umuSevarTa mdgomareobaSia Cavardnili. yoveldRe siduxWireSi ixrCoba meti da meti adamiani, amitom Znelia dadebiTi gaixseno. aqciaze sam-oTx moTxovnas rom vayenebT, Semdegze ukve erTi amdeni emateba. isev im winadadebebiT veRar SemovifarglebiT. xelisufleba Tavad qmnis axal problemebs, mcire naRmebs debs sadRac da Semdeg am naRmze TviTonve feTqdeba, farTovdeba sakiTxTa wre.
– daviT garejTan dakavSirebiT ras gvetyviT?
– daviT gareji Cvenia da asec unda darCes. am moTxovniT farTomasStabiani, 10000-kaciani aqcia CavatareT. aqac ki, baTumSi, ramdenime transparantze eweraT `daviT gareji – saqarTveloa!~. mixaria, rom Cems samSobloSi ar ilevian is adamianebi, visac qveynis teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenaze guli SestkivaT. Cven yvelgan vacxadebT, rom daviT gareji ar aris mxolod samonastro kompleqsi. es aris sulierebis taZari, kulturuli memkvidreobis Zegli, istoria. amitom misi daTmoba ar SegviZlia. xelisufleba gvpirdeba, molaparakebis procesSi varT da amisTvis erTi Tve gvWirdebao. davelodebiT im erT Tvesac, magram Tu ver moagvara sakiTxi, isev da isev wamovwevT am mtkivneul Temas wina planze. arada, problemis mogvareba martivad SeiZleba, radgan azerbaijanTan ar gvaqvs mtruli damokidebuleba, Cveni mezobeli, partniori qveyanaa da gonieri mmarTveli amden xans, survilis SemTxvevaSi, dabrkolebis gareSe SeZlebda am saganZuris dabrunebas.
– baTumSi Catarebuli Tqveni aqcia erT-erT gamocemaSi Sefasda rogorc antiTurquli da homofobiuri. Tqveni komentari?
– vinc amas wers, qveynisTvis cud saqmes akeTebs. raSi gamoixateba homofobia, gancxadebaSi, rom gvinda teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgena mSvidobiani gziT?! an is, rom saqarTveloSi gaWirvebuli adamianebi ar unda iyvnen, an is, rom danaSaulebrivi reJimi unda gasamarTldes?!
– davubrundeT proporciul arCevnebs, xom wamovida am punqtSi mTavroba daTmobaze?
– amas viTxovdiT 2013 wlidan parlaments gareT sxva politikur partiebTan erTad. rodesac parlamentSi daviwyeT moRvaweoba, iq saparlamento Tu arasaparlamento partiebTan erTad. am Temaze yovelTvis vRebulobdiT cru dapirebebs. ambobdnen, TiTqos maJoritarebi winaaRmdegni iyvnen, maT gareSe ki sakiTxi ver gahqondaT. Tumca dRes xelisuflebam mainc gamoxata neba, gadavideT proporciul saarCevno sistemaze. vfiqrob, es mxardasaWeri ideaa. am saxis arCevnebi yvelaze samarTlianad asaxavs politikuri partiebisTvis mosaxleobis mier micemuli xmebis da parlamentis mandatebis urTierTSesabamisobas. Tumca am sakiTxs garkveuli skepticizmiT SevyurebT, radgan isev is maJoritarebi arian parlamentSi, xolo `qarTul ocnebas~ maTi mxardaWera sWirdeba. isic ar aris gamoricxuli, rom erT mSvenier dRes gamogvicxadon – maTi mxardaWera ver movipoveT da arCevnebi Zveli sistemiT unda CavataroTo.
– maincdamainc axla ratom iTxovT saakaSvilis reJimis danaSaulebrivad gamocxadebas?
– amdeni weli velodeT, magram danapirebi ar aasrula `qarTulma ocnebam~. amasTan, migvaCnia, rom nebismierma saTaveSi mosulma politikurma partiam wina mmarTveelobas unda misces politikuri Sefaseba. ar aris savaldebulo – uaryofiTi. es wesad unda iqces. yvelafers Tavisi saxeli unda davarqvaT. amitom moviTxovT oficialurad, an dagvarwmunos `qarTulma ocnebam~, rom ar iyo wina mmarTveli partiis moRvaweoba danaSaulebrivi an Seasrulos is, rasac xalxs saTaveSi mosvlamde hpirdeboda.

