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2 seqtembers qveynis premierma mamuka baxtaZem Tanamdebobidan wasvlis Taobaze gancxadeba gaavrcela. partia `qarTulma ocnebam~ premier-ministris postze Ss ministri giorgi gaxaria waradgina. rogorc daanonsda, siaxleebi iqneba ministrTa kabinetSic
samTavrobo cvlilebebsa da regionSi mimdinare procesebze interviu vTxoveT aWaris umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomares daviT gabaiZes.
– batono daviT, saSemodgomo sesia biuros sxdomiT gaxseniT. ra iqneba mTavari sakiTxebi, razec sakanonmdeblo organo saSemodgomo sesiebis dros imsjelebs?
– ramdenime sakiTxs gamovyof, maT Soris, saarCevno sistemis cvlilebas. konstituciuri kanonis proeqti mzadaa, xelmowerebs vagrovebT da uaxloes dReebSi umaRles sabWoSi davaregistrirebT. cvlilebebis proeqti iTvaliswinebs umaRlesi sabWos arCevnebis Catarebas proporciuli sistemiT, aseve, viRebT barieris Sesaxeb Canawers, gamomdinare iqidan, rom bunebriv barierze SevjerdiT opoziciasTan kinsultaciis Sedegad da imedi maqvs, isini am cvlilebas mxars dauWeren. Tu winaaRmdegi iqnebian, gulwrfelad getyviT, arc me davuWer mxars saarCevno sistemis cvlilebas, radgan vfiqrob, arsebuli Sereuli sistema misaRebia umaRlesi sabWosTvis.
– ratom uSvebT, rom SesaZloa opoziciam saarCevno sistemis cvlilebas mxari ar dauWiros?
– dRes arsebuli Sereuli sistema morgebulia aWaris sinamdvileze. maRalmTian regionebSi maJoritarebisadmi gansakuTrebuli sentimentebi arsebobs. garda amisa, Tavis droze, konstituciaSi cvlilebebis Setanamde, 14 Sexvedra CavatareT da yvela did dasaxlebul punqtSi mivediT, yvela kategoriis adamians SevxvdiT. vici, maTi mosazrebebic da aqedan gamomdinare, Camomiyalibda azri. Sesabamisad, is, rom proporciul sistemaze gadasvlis iniciatorebi viqnebiT umravlesoba, aris opoziciasTan konsensusis Sedegi. sakiTxs gavxsni diskusisTvis, magram kidev erTxel vityvi, es keTdeba opoziciuri partiebis moTxovniT da Tu ar dauWeren mxars, me ratom davuWer? imedi maqvs, rogorc opozicia, ise pozicia sakiTxs mxars erTxmad dauWers. imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom opozicias ar hyavs sakmarisi raodenoba, raTa daaregistriros sakonstitucio cvlilebebi, umravlesoba mzad varT, es Cven gavakeToT. rac Seexeba imas, rom SesaZloa opoziciam mxari ar dauWiros cvlilebebs, eWvis safuZvels maZlevs gamocdileba, TiTqmis samwliani muSaobis Sedegad rom damigrovda. magaliTad, fraqcia `nacionalurma moZraobam~ 200-mde SeniSvna warmoadgina biujetis proeqtTan dakavSirebiT da biuros sxdomaze, roca kenWi vuyareT SeniSvnebis mTavrobisTvis gadagzavnis sakiTxs, umravlesobam davuWireT mxari, `nacionalurma moZraobam~ ki – ara. zogjer alogikuri gadawyvetilebebis momswrec vyofilvar. imedi maqvs, am konkretul SemTxvevaSi, vcdebi.
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ liderma biZina ivaniSvilma giorgi gaxarias kandidatura protestis fonze waradgina premier-ministris postze. ra molodini gaqvT, rogori premieri iqneba igi?
– giorgi gaxaria iqneba kargi premier-ministri. sazogadoebis erTi nawili aprotestebs mis am postze wardgenas, magram ver vityviT, rom es aris mTeli sazogadoeba. ara mxolod saqarTveloSi, zogadadac, ar arsebobs iseTi gadawyvetileba, razec yvela Tanxmdeba. nebismier gadawyvetilebas eyoleba mowinaaRmdegeebi. me yvelas azrs pativs vcem.
– ras miiCnevT gaxarias Zlier mxared?
– is aris Zalian kargi menejeri, rac daamtkica kidec yvela im poziciaze, sadac imuSava wlebis ganmavlobaSi da mas Semdeg, rac sazogadoebis TvalTaxedvis areSi moxvda – dawyebuli biznesombudsmenobidan dRemde, giorgi gaxaria aris efeqturi menejeri.
– mainc ratom icvlebian `ocnebis~ xelisuflebis premierebi aseTi sixSiriT?
– albaT imitom, rom saparlamento respublika varT. ara mxolod umravlesoba, eqspertebic amboben, rom msgavsi cvlilebebi damaxasiaTebelia saparlamento respublikisTvis. garda amisa, yofilma premierma vrclad da amomwuravad axsna sakuTari gadawyvetileba, Seafasa Tavisi saqmianoba, aqedan gamomdinare, ar maqvs kiTxvis niSnebi.
– opoziciam `feisbuqiT~ gadadgoma dauwuna yofil premiers. . .
– zogadad, siaxlis mimarT erTgvari SiSi gvaqvs, konservatori sazogadoeba varT. yvelaferi `feisbuqiT~ vrceldeba da sajaro gancxadebac rom gakeTdes, amaSi tragikuls verafers vxedav. kanoni gveubneba, rom premieri gadamdgarad iTvleba, Tu is prezidents an parlaments miwers werils an sajarod gaakeTebs gancxadebas. socialur qselze meti sajarooba ra unda iyos, es ufro sajaro iyo, vidre ramdenime Jurnalistis TandaswrebiT gancxadebis gakeTeba. mis `posts~, darwmunebuli var, ramdenime aTasi naxva eqneboda erT wuTSi. risi Tqma unda opozicias, mamuka baxtaZe ar iTvleba gadamdgarad? Tu iTvleba gadamdgarad, kanonieri yofila feisbuqgancxadebac. ramdenime daSvebuli kanonieri saSualebidan, romels airCevda batoni mamuka, misi diskreciuli ufleba iyo.
– SesaZloa Tu ara regionSic ganxorcieldes samTavrobo cvlilebebi? aWaris mTavrobis yofilma Tavmjdomareebmac xom swored premier-ministrebis Tanamdebobidan gadadgomis kvaldakval datoves postebi?
– ara mgonia, regionSi samTavrobo cvlilebebi ganxorcieldes. amisaTvis mxolod erTi mizezi arsebobs – mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris neba, rom gadadges. rogorc viciT, batonma Tornike riJvaZem calsaxad Tqva, rom arsad apirebs wasvlas. Aamdenad, gamovricxav, samTavrobo cvlilebebi regionis dRis wesrigSi dadges.
– uaxloes momavalSi sakanonmdeblo organo misamarTs Seicvlis da baTumSi gadmova.
– es etapobrivad moxdeba, ise, rom ar Seferxdeba umaRlesi sabWos saqmianoba. miuxedavad imisa, Senoba arasaxarbielo mdgomareobaSia, movaxerxebT samuSao pirobebi SevqnaT iq yovelgvari zedmeti danaxarjebis gareSe. ar viTxovT biujetis gazrdas da arsebulis farglebSi movaxerxebT Senobis remonts. yvela fraqcia da komiteti Tavis samuSao oTaxs sakuTari saxsrebiT gaaremontebs. rac Seexeba sasesio darbazs, is, rac CaqvSia, ar iyo sasesio darbazi. dizainerebma imuSaves da maketi ukve gvaqvs. gagvimarTla, Tumca arc haeridan mosula damatebiTi finansebi, Cvenc vimuSaveT imisaTvis, rom gavsuliyaviT kontaqtebze partniorebTan, gaeros ganviTarebis programa (უნდპUNDP) gvaZlevs 180 aTas evros. Tanxas srulad gamoviyenebT umaRlesi sabWos gaZlierebisTvis, romelic axali sakonstitucio cvlilebiT, kanonis doneze, sakmaod myari instituciaa. Sesabamisad, amas dasWirdeba teqnikuri mxardaWera da inteleqtualuri resursis amaRleba umaRlesi sabWos TanamSromlebSi. Cven movaxerxebT, primitiul doneze mainc, sesiebis da biuros sxdomebis pirdapir translirebas. es ver gakeTdeba erT an or TveSi, amisTvis nabijebi gadaidgmeba da marTalia, Cveni uflebamo-silebis vadis miwuruls, magram momdevno mowvevis umaRles sabWos davutovebT iseT sakanonmdeblo organos, romelsac eqneba gamarTuli reglamenti, eyoleba TanamSromlebi, romlebic mzad iqnebian emsaxuron nebismieri mowvevis deputatebs, regions ki – konstitucias.
– mauwyeblis bordis arCevnebisTvis umaRlesma sabWom konkursi gamoacxada. . .
– es kidev erTi procedurulad mZime sakiTxia. daulagebeli kanoniT vmoqmedebT mauwyeblis bordis arCevnebisas. Cven ukve gamovacxadeT konkursi da danarCeni mivandoT sakonkurso komisias.
– ramdenad moipovebs komisia sazogadoebis ndobas?
– Tavis droze, pirveli komisia rom SevqmeniT, gansakuTrebuli pretenzia ar gamouTqvamT. Sevecdebi, ise davakompleqto, sazogadoebas naklebi pretenzia da kiTxvis niSnebi gauCndes.
– televiziis direqtoris arCevnebs rogor afasebT? sami mcdelobis miuxedavad, bordma mauwyeblis direqtori ver airCia. . .
– es ar aris kargi faqti, magram arc tragediaa, demokratiuli procesia. bordis wevrebs ama Tu im kandidatis mimarT TavianTi Sexedulebebi aqvT. arc berketi maqvs da arc survili procesebSi Carevis, televizia damoukidebeli organoa. Cven valdebulebi varT, mxolod da mxolod SeviyvanoT iq bordi. maincdamainc jansaRad ar gamoiyureba procesi, magram tragikuladac ver aRviqvam, demokratiis nawilad miviCnev.
– batono daviT, `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrma elguja bagrationma biuros sxdomaze araerTxel Tqva, rom giorgi gaxaria ruseTis kadri da agentia, xolo mmarTveli gundis deputatebi mxolod pirad saubrebSi ambobT, rom ruseTi okupantia da xmamaRla ver bedavT amis
Tqmas.
– diax, ruseTi okupantia. marTalia, elguja bagrationi ambobs, amas xmamaRla ver ambobeno, magram, ai, daviT gabaiZe xmamaRla geubnebaT, ruseTi aris okupanti! msgavsi gancxadebebi opoziciis narativia.
– dabolos, irakli RaribaSvili arcTu ise didi xnis win biZina ivaniSvilma partiaSi daabruna. aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi mis dabrunebaze ras gvetyviT?
– irakli RaribaSvili Cveni gundis wevri iyo da aris. maRali Tanamdeboba uWiravs partiaSi da Sesabamisad, ar gamkvirvebia misi politikuri Tanamdebobidan aRmasrulebel rgolSi dabruneba. Tavis droze iyo kargi da efeqturi Ss ministri. darwmunebuli var, warmatebuli iqneba Tavdacvis ministris postzec. mTavrobis saintereso Semadgenloba gveyoleba da efeqturi iqneba maTi saqmianoba axali premieris meTaurobiT.