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8 seqtembers saqarTvelos parlamentma 98 deputatis mxardaWeriT, mTavrobis ganaxlebul Semadgenlobas mxari dauWira
ministrTa kabinetSi premieris posti giorgi gaxariam Caibara, Tavdacvis ministris – irakli RaribaSvilma, Sinagan saqmeTa saministros vaxtang gomelauri uxelmZRvanelebs, ganaTlebis, mecnierebis, kulturisa da sportis saministros ki mixeil batiaSvili. garemos dacvis da soflis meurneobis ministris portfeli isev levan daviTaSvilma Caibara, ekonomikisa da mdgradi ganviTarebis ministri kvlav naTia Turnavaa. sagareo saqmeTa saministros daviT zalkaliani, okupirebuli teritoriebidan devnilTa, Sromis, janmrTelobisa da socialuri dacvis saministros ekaterine tikaraZe, regionuli ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis saministros maia cqitiSvili da finansTa saministros ivane maWavariani uxelmZRvaneleben. saxelmwifo ministri Serigebisa da samoqalaqo Tanasworobis sakiTxebSi kvlavac qeTevan cixelaSvilia. `qarTul ocnebas~ 2012 wlidan dRemde iusticiis ucvleli ministri hyavs – Tea wulukiani.
principSi, mTavrobaSi axali saxeebi ar arian, irakli RaribaSvili Tavis droze premier-ministris posts ikavebda, Semdeg ki politikidan wasvlis gadawyvetileba miiRo, mas yovelTvis biZina ivaniSvilis saTadarigo moTamaSed miiCnevdnen. ramdenimewliani pauzis Semdeg RaribaSvilma partia `qarTul ocnebaSi~ daikava sapasuxismgeblo Tanamdeboba, rac winapiroba iyo misi aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi kvlav dabrunebis.
ganaxlebuli ministrTa kabinetis damtkicebaSi monawileoba ar miiRo `erTianma nacionalurma moZraobam~, `evropulma saqarTvelom~ da `patriotTa aliansma~. procesi ki sakano-nmdeblo organosTan saprotesto aqciis fonze warimarTa. ministrTa kabinetis damtkicebamde, saqarTvelos parlamentSi kandidatebs ramdenime dRis ganmavlobaSi sxvadasxva formatSi mousmines, daisva mwvave SekiTxvebic da ara mxolod opoziciis mxridan.
samTavrobo cvlilebebTan dakavSirebiT `aWaram~ rogorc opoziciis, ise mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenelTa mosazrebebi moismina. komentari politolog aslan lorTqifaniZesac vTxoveT.
– batono aslan, ra molodini unda gvqondes da ra Seicvleba qveyanaSi?
– Seicvala premieri da Zalovani ministrebi, ministrTa kabinetis ZiriTadi nawili agrZelebs muSaobs, rac kargia, radgan xSiri sakadro cvlilebebi instituciebze dadebiTad ar aisaxeba. ganxorcielebuli cvlilebebiT, gansakuTrebiT axali premieris arCeviT, aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis efeqturobis, moqnilobis xarisxi gaizrdeba.
– ukavSirdeba Tu ara giorgi gaxarias gapremiereba 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebisTvis mzadebas?
– ra Tqma unda. giorgi gaxarias aqvs qarizmatuli lideris Tvisebebi, sajaro gamosvlebisas is tovebs moqnili da efeqturi politikosis STabeWdilebas, aqvs unari krizisul situaciebSi swori manevrirebis, ar gaurbis gadawyvetilebebis miRebasa da pasuxismgeblobis aRebas. bolo saparlamento arCevnebs Tu SevadarebT, mmarTveli partiis reitingi Semcirebulia. am pirobebSi gaxarias Tvisebebi saxelisuflebo partias haeriviT sWirdeba miuxedavad imisa, rom
20-21 ivnisis movlenebma mosaxleobis nawilSi mis mimarT garkveuli ukmayofileba gamoiwvia.
– ministrobis kandidatebisgan araerTi dapireba movismineT. SeZlebs giorgi gaxarias mTavroba siRaribis daZlevas, samuSao adgilebis Seqmnas, okupaciis SeCerebas, uamravi sxva problemis gadaWras?
– es is problemebia, romlis masStabebic etapobrivad unda Semcirdes. mis srul mogvarebas, samwuxarod, erTi saarCevno cikli ar eyofa. mTavaria, adgilobriv wamoebas maqsimalurad xeli Seewyos, sxvagvarad laris kurss da Cvens ekonomikur mdgomareobas araferi eSveleba, romeli partia da mTavrobac unda iyos xelisuflebaSi.
– giorgi gaxarias mier `nacionaluri moZraobis~ misamarTiT naTqvami – `me Tqven dagasrulebT!~ sazogadoebis erTi nawilisTvis miuRebelia, meore nawilisTvis ki dagvianebuli. rogor SeafasebT am gancxadebas?
– nebismieri politikuri partia `sruldeba~ mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tu ver miiRebs barieris gadalaxvisTvis sakmaris xmebs da am Sedegs imeorebs momdevno arCevnebSic. es mimarTva ufro gadataniTi mniSvnelobiT iyo gamoyenebuli da gaxaria oponentebs dahpirda, rom maT arCevnebis gziT daamarcxebda. bunebrivia, opoziciur eleqtorats es gaaRizianebda, xolo saxelisuflebos – gaaxarebda. saqarTveloSi rTulad, magram mainc etapobrivad ixveweba oponirebis kultura.
– sazogadoeba eloda, rom irakli RaribaSvili Ss ministris posts daikavebda, Tumca mas sxva saministro Caabares. Tavdacvis rogori ministri iqneba igi?
– nebismieri menejeris saqmianobis Sefasebas minimum 6 Tve mainc sWirdeba. davelodoT.
– erTaderTi ministri, romelsac ar cvlis `qarTuli ocneba~, iusticiis ministri Tea wulukiania. ratom?
– mas pirdapiri komunikacia aqvs partiis TavmjdomaresTan da masze premierebis cvlileba ar axdens zegavlenas. amavdroulad, is kvalificiuri iuristi, gamocdili kadri da politikosis Tvisebebis matarebeli ministria.
– mTavrobis meTaurs opozicia ruseTis agents uwodebs. gagrZeldeba Tu ara qveynis evropuli kursi?
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ sagareo politikuri prioritetebi ar Seicvleba. qveyana dasavlur struqturebSi integraciis sinqronulad gaagrZelebs ruseTTan pragmatuli politikis gatarebas. am gzas saqarTvelos sagareo politikaSi, arc erTi xelisuflebis pirobebSi, alternativa ar aqvs. es aris im geopolitikuri mocemulobiT nakarnaxevi, romelic Cvens regionSi da msoflioSi arsebobs.
aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputati, `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevri asmaT diasamiZe ganaxlebuli ministrTa kabinetisgan masStabur siaxleebs ar elodeba.
– daviwyeb premier-ministriT. vuerTdebi im ganwyobas, rac hqondaT opoziciur Zalebs, rom giorgi gaxarias gapremiereba im fonze, roca lamis sami Tvea mosaxleoba misi Tanamdebobidan gadayenebas iTxovs, miuRebelia. qveyanaSi sakadro politikas biZina ivaniSvili rom ganagebs, yvelam kargad viciT. Sesabamisad, giorgi gaxarias gapremiereba erTgvari mesijia, rom sazogadoeba srulad ignorirebulia, xalxis xmas ar aqvs mniSvneloba. rac Seexeba mTavrobas, iq axali aravinaa, Tu ar CavTvliT irakli RaribaSvils, magram es kino ukve nanaxi gvaqvs. Tavis droze irakli RaribaSvili Tanamdebobidan axsna-ganmartebis, sazogadoebisTvis angariSis Cabarebis gareSe gauSves. Tu ratom unda dabrunebuliyo igi aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi, arc amaze gaucia vinmes pasuxi. amdenad, is axali kadri ar aris. mTlianobaSi, ganaxlebuli mTavrobisgan pozitiurs arafers velodebi. zogadad, es aris winasaarCevno gaTvla, uWirs `qarTul ocnebas~, mosaxleoba ganawyenebuli hyavs. sazogadoeba gakeTebuli saqmiT afasebs ama Tu im xelisuflebis yofna-aryofnis sakiTxs. kidev erTxel ar daijerebs xalxi cru dapirebebs, swor arCevans gaakeTeben qveynis sakeTildReod, radgan saqarTvelo ufskrulis piras miiyvana moqmedma xelisuflebam. aqve minda giTxraT, rom premierma Zalian cudad daiwyo, is daemuqra opozicias.
– muqaraSi albaT mis frazas – `me Tqven dagasrulebT~ gulisxmobT. . .
– giorgi gaxarias gancxadeba gadaamRera aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem. cudi mesijia, rac gaTvlilia ara opoziciaze, aramed im xalxze, romlebic aRar endobian `qarTul ocnebas~. statistikas moviSvelieb da getyviT, 2012 wlidan opoziciis momxreTa ricxvi dRiTi dRe izrdeba da 2018 wlis saprezidento arCevnebze 700 aTasma adamianma mogvca xma. swored am xalxs daemuqrnen, Tumca yvelas gagveRima. am gancxadebiT `patriotTa aliansis~ guli moigo giorgi gaxariam, radgan `qarTul ocnebaSi~ 80 procenti `nacionaluri moZraobidanaa~ portirebuli, maT gulSi ki ra xdeba, ver gaigebs premieri. Tavis droze zogi daaSines, zogic moisyides da maT naklebad endoba giorgi gaxaria. mxolod `qarTuli ocnebis~ ramdenime wevri da `patriotTa aliansi~ daeTanxma mis am gancxadebas. 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebisas didi brZola mouwevs opozicias xmebis dasacavad, radgan Zalovani struqturebi gaamagres, rasac Sida gadanacvlebebic mowmobs – yvela mniSvnelovani pozicia Zalovnebs Caabares.
– qalbatono asmaT, ministrobis kandidatebis programaSi ra iyo mTavari mesijebi?
– visurvebdi, ganaTlebis ministrma dapireba xelfasebis gazrdis Taobaze Seasrulos. ise ki, Tu amis finansuri resursi iyo, ratom – ara am dromde? giorgi gaxariam daaanonsa, rom SeiZleba pensiebi gaizardos. wlebia politikaSi var da kargad vici – adamianebs yurs Wris aseTi dapirebebi. arasdros unda dahpirde amomrCevels iseTi ram, ris Sesrulebasac ver SeZleb. sulac ar minda yvelaferSi cuds vxedavde, kargic minda davinaxo, magram ar Cans. axla, winasaarCevnod, pensionerebis xmebi sWirdebaT da visurveb, pensiebis zrda ar darCes ocnebad.
– TvliT, rom gaJRerebuli siRaribis daZleva, samuSao adgilebis Seqmna, okupaciis SeCereba da sxva winasaarCevno piaria?
– sul raRac erTi Tvis win, arc yofili premieri mamuka baxtaZe da arc saqarTvelos prezidenti misula saokupacio xazTan. socialuri qseliT yvelam gavigeT, rom im dros salome zurabiSvili auzze banaobda, goris gamgebelma ki mediis warmomadgenlebs ganucxada, SvebulebaSi var da visvenebo. roca aseTi araseriozuli damokidebuleba aqvT okupaciis mimarT, saarCevnod rogor davujero, rom am kuTxiT sasikeTo nabijebs gadadgamen? maSin, roca adamianebma sakuTari xeliT daangries TavianTi saxlebi, xelisuflebam ver daicva isini. im dros maT gverdiT unda mdgariyvnen xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi, Tumca… rac Seexeba dasaqmebas, aqamde ratom ar daasaqmes mosaxleoba? gaiZaxian, avaSeneT fabrika-qarxnebio, magram aba, sad? kerZo piri rom sastumros aSenebs da is adamianebs asaqmebs, es ar aris xelisuflebis Seqmnili samuSao adgilebi. warmoeba unda amuSavdes, adamianebi rom dasaqmdnen da stabiluri Semosavali hqondeT. grZelvadiani samuSao adgilebi iqmneba sawarmoebis SemTxvevaSi, aravin sTxovs xelisuflebas, tyuilad Camide fuli jibeSio, adamianebs undaT samuSao adgilebi, rom imuSaon da sakuTari SromiT, Tavad irCinon Tavi. aRar gaWris `cxra welis~ Zaxili, is rom koabitacia cudia. adamianebs kargi mexsiereba aqvT – bevri Secdomisa da danaSaulis miuxedavad, xalxi ver malavs, rom wina xelisuflebis dros bevri ram gakeTda, axla ki amboben, rom danaSauli grZeldeba da arc araferi keTdeba. cudia, roca adamianebSi nihilizmi, undoblobaa. xalxi garbis qveynidan, Sobadobis maCvenebeli dabalia, soflebi daicala. kargad maxsovs, rogor etapobrivad viTardeboda Cveni mezobeli TurqeTi, rogor waswies ekonomika. aTasobiT adamiani mezobel qveyanaSia dasaqmebuli da ise arCens ojaxs. daTvaleT, saqarTvelos parlamentSi ramdeni milioneria, gaWirvebuli adamianebis jibeSi xelis CayofiT gamdidrebulebi. amitom, Znelia, endo xelisuflebas, romelic cal xels Sens jibeSi afaTurebs. `qarTuli ocnebis~ Seucvlelma ministrma Tea wulukianma imaze gacilebiT meti icis qveynis araformalur mmarTvelze, vidre sxva danarCenma. ministrTa kabinetis araerTxel Secvla, erTi mxriv, cudic araa, radgan axali ideebi, axali sisxlis gadasxma aucilebelic aris. rac Seexeba yofil premiers, mamuka baxtaZe met-naklebad mozomili, dabalansebuli da gawonasworebuli axalgazrda iyo da is arCevnebisas radikalur gadawyvetilebebs ver miiRebda. mis saxels da gvars istoria arc daimaxsovrebs, giorgi gaxarias gapremiereba ki ara mxolod 2020 wlis arCevnebs, Cvens okupantTan maameblur damokidebulebasac ukavSirdeba. ukve Tavi wamohyves prorusulma Zalebma. rogorc ki kontraqcia gauWirdeba xelisuflebas, im wams `patriotTa aliansi~ an `qarTuli marSi~ gamoCndeba. xelisuflebaSi calybad saubroben saqarTvelos evropul momavalze, realurad ki saqmes ruseTis sasargeblod akeTeben. mxolod enis mosafxanad iyeneben evropul kurss, saqmiT ki yoveldRiurad vrwmundebiT – qveyanas ruseTisken miaqaneben.
opozicioneri deputatisgan gansxvavebiT, kargis molodini aqvs baTumis sakrebulos deputats, fraqcia `qarTuli ocnebis~ Tavmjdomares natalia zoiZes, romelic darwmunebulia, rom ganaxlebuli mTavroba mosaxleobis keTildReobisken kidev ufro met nabijs gadadgams.
– is servisebi, rasac saxelmwifo awvdis moqalaqeebs, sworad, obieqturad, miukerZoeblad da Tanabrad unda miiRos yvelam. qveyanaSi socialur-ekonomikuri foni ar aris saxarbielo da am mimarTulebiT bevria gasakeTebeli. ganaxlebuli mTavroba am kuTxiT Sedegs dadebs, – aRniSna CvenTan saubrisas sakrebulos deputatma.
– opozicia irwmuneba, rom giorgi gaxarias gapremiereba 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebisTvis dawyebuli samzadisia.
– opoziciis fantazia sazRvrebs gadasulia. faqtia, rom CixSi arian Sesulebi – stvenis da isterikis mowyobis garda, sxva gza ar darCeniaT. xalxi brZenia, swor Sefasebebs gaakeTebs da 2020 welsac damajereblad gavimarjvebT. vidre `qarTuli ocneba~ ar dadebs Sedegs, bolomde ar miiyvans im miznebs da amocanebs, risTvisac xelisuflebaSi movida 2012 wels, vfiqrob, misia Sesrulebuli ar iqneba, amis Semdeg ki, imedi maqvs, kidev ufro warmatebuli axali politikuri Zala mova xelisuflebaSi, romelic ufro gaaumjobesebs mosaxleobis cxovrebis pirobebs. A
– axali ministrTa kabinetis programaSi mosaxleobisTvis sakmaod msuye dapirebebia. . .
– ganaxlebuli ministrTa kabinetis programas dapirebebs ver davarqmev, es ufro amocanebia, rac aris Cveni xelisuflebis winaSe. yvelafers prioritetebis mixedviT anawileben da arian Sedegze orientirebulebi. darwmunebuli var, riskebic gaTvlili aqvs premier-ministrs, saqmiani da Sedegze orientirebuli adamiania. SemTxveviT visargebleb da, Tqveni gazeTis saSualebiT, baton giorgi gaxarias premier-ministris postze arCevas mivulocav. imedi maqvs, is Tavis gundTan erTad Sedegsac dadebs – sasikeTo cvlilebebi ganxorcieldeba qveynis masStabiT. mosaxleoba am yvelafers sul male igrZnobs. gundSi cvlilebebis miuxedavad, xelisufleba arCeul kurss ar cvlis, rac qveynisTvis mniSvnelovania. gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovani iqneba ganaTlebis mimarTulebiT gansaxorcielebeli reformebi. Cveni qveynis xsna ganaTlebis donis amaRlebaSia. am dargis muSakebis Sroma dafasebuli rom iqneba, maT Rirseuli pirobebi eqnebaT, motivacia gaizrdeba, Sesabamisad – samoqalaqo cnobierebac amaRldeba, rac aucilebelia demokratiuli qveynis SenebisTvis.
– qalbatono natalia, opozicia kiTxulobs – Tuki iyo SesaZlebeli pensiebis zrda, pedagogebis xelfasebis momateba da sxva sikeTeebi, ratom – ara am dromde?
– pensiebis mateba 2012 wlidan etapobrivad xdeba. roca `qarTuli ocneba~ xelisuflebaSi movida, pensia 125 lari iyo. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom mxars vuWer dagrovebiT pensias, rac Tavis droze Sedegs moitans. yvelafers dro sWirdeba. ar SeiZleba spontanurad nabijebis gadadgma, piriqiT, yvelaferi unda iyos gegmazomieri. `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebaSi yofnis yvela weli sasikeTo nabijebis weli iyo. sxva danarCenTan erTad, jandacvis programebis srulyofac saWiroa, xarvezebic xom samuSao procesis mimdinareobisas iCens Tavs. sakanonmdeblo da aRmasrulebel xelisuflebebs qveynis majiscemaze xeli unda edoT da pulsis mixedviT ganaxorcielon cvlilebebi.
– gancxadebas `me Tqven dagasrulebT~ rogor SeafasebT?
– es niSnavs, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ gaagrZelebs `nacionaluri moZraobis~ da misi satelitebis lustracias. Sedegs 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebisas miviReT, roca mosaxleoba swor arCevans gaakeTebs saarCevno urnasTan. akademiurad moazrovne adamianebisTvis misaRebi araa is formebi, rasac mimarTaven opoziciuri partiis warmomadgenlebi, Sesabamisad, yoveli msgavsi nabiji, saparlamento sivrceSi maT dasasrulamde miiyvans.
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ oponentebi miiCneven, rom axali premieri Crdiloel mezobelTan maameblur pozicias daiWers.
– opozicia yvelafers sakuTari sazomiT zomavs. sxvaTa Soris, sergi kapanaZes sworad uwoda batonma giorgim qarTveli gavrilovi. opozicias ver warmoudgenia, sufTa xelebiT Tu aris SesaZlebeli saxelmwifos Seneba. isini mudmivad arian scenarebis Sedgenis procesSi, miCveulebi arian sicrues da tyuilebze aqvT agebuli yvelaferi.
