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2020 wlis saparlamento da umaRlesi sabWos arCevnebi proporciuli sistemiT Catardeba im SemTxvevaSi, Tu konstituciaSi Sesabamisi cvlilebebi Seva. am kuTxiT procedurebi dawyebulia da saqarTvelos parlamentma cvlilebebi saSemodgmo sesiis farglebSi unda daamtkicos
– sakonstitucio cvlilebebis ganxilva Cveni mosaxleobis da im adamianebis monapovaria, romlebic iTxovdnen demokratiul arCevnebs da biZina ivaniSvilis xelisuflebis Secvlas. aWaris konstituciaSi cvlilebebi roca Sedioda, Cveni pozicia maSinac is iyo, rom proporciul saarCevno sistemaze gadavsuliyaviT 2020 wlisTvis. Tavis droze, samwuxarod, `qarTulma ocnebam~ es ar gaiTvaliswina. sakonstitucio cvlilebebis ganxilvebSi monawileobas miviRebT, radgan mniSvnelovania, rogor ganviTardeba Cvens regionSi da qveyanaSi politikuri procesebi. ganviTareba demokratiuli gziT ar moxdeba, Tu partia, romelsac ar aqvs mosaxleobis 50 procentis ndoba, konstituciur umravlesobas moipovebs, rogorc es moxda `qarTuli ocnebis~ SemTxvevaSi. sxvagvarad qveynisTvis saSiSi iqneba, radgan Cven ukve vnaxeT Secdomebis kaskadi, ramac qveyana gaWirvebamde, instituciebis rRvevamde miiyvana. araformalurma mmarTvelma, faqtobrivad daiqvemdebara xelisufleba. xelisuflebis dabalansebis saSualeba iqneba is, rom momdevno mowvevis umaRles sabWosa Tu parlamentSi verc erTma partiam ver SeZlos konstituciuri umravlesobis mopoveba. Zalian mniSvnelovania, iyos ZalTa iseTi balansi, rom arsebobdes normaluri politikuri saSualeba, raTa gadawyvetilebebi miviRoT konsensusis safuZvelze, rac naklebi Secdomebis daSvebis SesaZleblobas mogvcems. amasTan, Cveni winadadeba iyo, sayovelTao-saxalxo ganxilvebis komisiaSi warmodgenilni yofiliyvnen arasamTavrobo organizaciebis da im politikuri partiebis warmomadgenlebi, romlebmac sakonstitucio cvlilebebi CvenTan erTad moiTxoves, razec miviReT dapireba da bunebrivia, umaRlesi sabWos sxdomazec mxari davuWireT komisiis Seqmnas, – acxadebs umaRlesi sabWos deputati, `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevri gia abulaZe.
– batono gia, marTalia, sayovelTao-saxalxo ganxilvebis komisiis Seqmnas mxari dauWireT, magram umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomare daviT gabaiZe ar gamoricxavs, rom iniciativis mxardaWera bolo momentSi gadaifiqroT, magaliTad ki regionis mTavar finansur dokumentSi cvlilebebi mohyavs, roca biuros sxdomaze ganixileboda Tqven mier wardgenili SeniSvnebis mTavrobisTvis gadagzavnis sakiTxi. mas mxari mmarTvelma gundma dauWira, opoziciam ki – ara.
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ biujetTan dakavSirebiT mmarTvel gunds, realurad, arc winadadeba aqvs da arc SeniSvna. Cven daskvnebs imitom vamzadebT, rom xelisuflebam gaiTvaliswinos da naklebi Secdoma dauSvas, rom miviRoT regionsa da misi mosaxleobis saWiroebaze morgebuli biujeti. samwuxarod, aseTi biujeti xelisuflebam ver daamtkica. rac Seexeba imas, rom SesaZlebelia mxari ar davuWiroT sakonstitucio cvlilebas, politikuri vaWrobis sakiTxia. mkafiod vacxadebT, Cvens iniciativas mxars davuWerT. xelisufleba cdilobs, xelis CasaWidi xavsi naxos, rom kanonproeqti bolomde ver miiyvanos. maTda samwuxarod da mosaxleobis, Cveni qveynis sasargeblod, yvelafers gavakeTebT, rom sakonstitucio cvlilebebi ganxorcieldes. aris sxva sakiTxebi, magaliTad, blokebis Seqmna da gadaunawilebeli mandatebis gadanawileba, magram miuxedavad imisa, raze SevTanxmdebiT da raze vera, mTavar xazs – proporciul sistemaze gadasvlas yvela SemTxvevaSi davuWerT mxars.
– ratom emxrobiT blokebis Seqmnas?
– aWaris SemTxvevaSi partias daaxloebiT 4,76 procenti sWirdeba, bunebrivi barieri rom gadalaxos. imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom regionSi Zalian aqtiuri prodasavluri partiebia, Cven gvinda momdevno umaRlesi sabWo iyos aqtiuri da mravalpartiuli. amitom unda mivceT am partiebs blokebad gaerTianebis, konkurentunarian garemoSi barieris gadalaxvis saSualeba, miuxedavad imisa, rom `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ barieris gadalaxvis problema ar eqneba. CvenTvis mniSvnelovania mravalferovani da ara viwropartiuli umaRlesi sabWo.
– emzadebiT gamarjvebisTvis, Tumca axlaxan premier-ministrma `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ misamarTiT Tqva, rom `dagasrulebT~.
– giorgi gaxaria biZina ivaniSvilis marionetia, ase rom, yvelas minda vuTxra – gadawyvetilebas iRebs saqarTvelos mosaxleoba da ara oligarqi da misi xelqveiTebi. CvenTvis mniSvnelovania, rogor programas SevTavazebT mosaxleobas, gvaqvs xelisuflebaSi yofnis da saqmis keTebis mdidari gamocdileba.
– Tumca Secdomac bevri gqondaT.
– erTi wuTiT, ar damisrulebia pasuxis gacema. Secdomebi gaazrebuli gvaqvs, magram, samwuxarod, ise moxda, `qarTulma ocnebam~ Cvens Secdomebs bevri daamata da esaa problema. amitom mosaxleobas avuxsniT, ra gaviazreT. Cveni programac imaze iqneba agebuli, Tu rogor gadawyvetilebebs miviRebT, raTa gamoiricxos Secdomebi. proporciuli sistemis, blokebis da mravalpartiuli umaRlesi sabWos mxardaWera am Secdomebis aRiarebaa. Cvenc gvqonda umravlesoba da SesaZlebloba, rom sxvagvari gadawyvetilebebi migveRo.
– ar fiqrobT, rom blokebad gaerTianebis SemTxvevaSi politikuri partiebi `qarTul ocnebas~ mianiWeben upiratesobas?
– amitomaa mniSvnelovani, partiebma swored arCevnebamde daafiqsiron pozicia – erTiandebian `qarTul ocnebasa~ da biZina ivaniSvilTan Tu prodasavlur partiebTan. amas amomrCeveli yvela partias mosTxovs. mosaxleobis didi nawili opoziciuradaa ganwyobili, radgan yoveldRiurad Raribdeba, Zvirdeba cxovreba. Tu davakvirdebiT, gamoqveynebuli kvlevebiT, mosaxleobis survilia partiebis gaerTianeba da erTiani ZaliT biZina ivaniSvilis xelisuflebisgan CamoSoreba. siRaribis daZlevasa da dasaqmebas rac Seexeba, Cven unda gvqondes mkafio gegma da programa, romelic unda mivitanoT mosaxleobamde.
– mravalpartiuli parlamentis arsebobis SemTxvevaSi, mTavrobis formireba ar gaWirdeba?
– am kuTxiT riskebi aris, Tumca pozitivi ufro didia – is, rom erTpartiuli mmarTveloba ar miviRoT qveyanaSi, ramac bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi bevri Secdoma dagvaSvebina, vgulisxmob `qarTuli ocnebis~ Secdomebs, rac qveynis Secdomebia. nebismieri partia, romelic xelisuflebaSi mosaxvedrad daasaxelebs uavtoriteto, araprofesional kandidats, mosaxleobis ndobas dakargavs.
– prezidentis mier msjavrdebulTa Sewyalebas rogorc politikuri speqtris, ise mosaxleobis ukmayofileba mohyva. `evropuli saqarTvelos~ erT-erTma liderma impiCmentis procedurebis dawyebis aucileblobac ki daaanonsa.
– gvaqvs sistemuri Secdomebi da kraxi. realurad, biZina ivaniSvilma yvela institucia CamoSala qveyanaSi, TandaTan ikargeba ndoba. marTvis sistema agebulia erT adamianze – araformalur mmarTvelze da rac mas surs, im gadawyvetilebas iRebs yvela institucia. amis erT-erTi gamovlineba swored Sewyalebaa, ramac kiTxvebi gaaCina. Tu danaSaulis niSnebi gamoikveTeba, SesaZloa, impiCmentamdec mivideT, rasac mxars davuWer. mosaxleobas hqonda adekvaturi reaqcia, ar SeiZleba aseT gadawyvetilebas iRebdes prezidenti – erTpirovnulad iwyalebdes mZime danaSaulisTvis msjavrdebulebs. biZina ivaniSvilma marioneti dasva prezidentad da rasac unda, imas akeTebinebs. rogor xasiaTzec gaiRviZebs, imazea agebuli saxelmwifo moxeleebis gadawyvetilebebi.
– saprezidento arCevnebis win `Zala erTobaSias~ kandidati grigol vaSaZe ambobda, rom prezidentad arCevis SemTxvevaSi Seiwyalebda mixeil saakaSvils, vano merabiSvils, baCo axalaias da sxvebs, romlebic sazogadoebis nawilisTvis mkvlelebi da damnaSaveebi iyvnen.
– mkvlelobaze arc erTs ar aqvs Sefardebuli patimroba. Tavis droze maT ganacxades kidec, rom ar sWirdebodaT Sewyaleba. mixeil saakaSvili, gvaxsovs, gaasamarTles SewyalebisTvis. is politikuri devnilia da misi SiSi aqvs `qarTul ocnebas~. bevri SeTiTxnili braldebaa, Tundac `pijakebis saqme~, romelic samarcxvino saqmed Seva istoriaSi. qveyanaSi dResac politikuri devnaa, razec araerTi saerTaSoriso organizacia saubrobs, aris am dromde gamouZiebeli saqmeebi, romlebic Seicavs politikuri devnis da sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulis niSnebs. irakli oqruaSvilic dakavebulia imisTvis, rom ganacxada – `rusTavi 2~-isTvis daiwyebda samarTlebriv davas. amas Cven unda vupasuxoT swori politikuri gadawyvetilebebiT, davamarcxoT maxinji sistema, daviwyoT qveynis demokratiuli ganviTareba, rac bolo Svidi wlis ganmavlobaSi Seferxda.
– iqnebian Tu ara axali saxeebi `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ saarCevno siaSi? mosaxleobas erTi da igive adamianebi, SeiZleba iTqvas, mobezrda kidec.
– gaaCnia, ras eZaxiT erTsa da imave saxeebs. nebismier sferoSi, maT Soris politikaSic, rac ufro didxans aris adamiani, profesionali xdeba. mosaxleobis dakveTac meti profesionalizmia. meorec, SeiZleba gvyavdes adamianebi, romlebsac garkveuli codna daugrovdaT da unda mivceT saSualeba, profesionalebTan erTad, TavianTi ideebiT Semovidnen politikaSi da cvlilebebSi monawileoba miiRon. bevri axalgazrda movida Cvens partiaSi da vamayobT amiT. axalgazrda, ganaTlebuli Taoba unda moviyvanoT rogorc politikaSi, ise aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi, maT SeuZliaT efeqturi gadawyvetilebebis miReba, arian energiulebi. `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ amocana unda iyos xidis funqcia, es xelisufleba gadasces Taobas, romelic sxvanairad uyurebs qveynis ganviTarebas.
– dabolos, batono gia, vin moxvdeba `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ saarCevno siaSi dRevandeli gundidan?
– CvenTvis mTavari amocanaa, proporciul sistemaze gadasvla bolomde miviyvanoT, paralelurad ki daviwyoT programaze muSaoba da gamWvirvale sistemiT SerCeva im kandidatebis, romlebic warmodgenilni iqnebian gaerTianebuli opoziciis saxeliT.
