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12-wliani pauzis Semdeg, 26 seqtembers amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi, gaeros generaluri asambleis 74-e sesiis farglebSi saqarTvelosa da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebma daxurul kars miRma Sexvdra gamarTes. iniciatori Sveicariis konfederacia iyo
mxareebs Soris dialogis aucileblobaze bolo periodSi Cveni partniori qveynebis warmomadgenlebi aqtiurad saubrobdnen. daviT zalkalianisa da sergei lavrovis Sexvedris Sesaxeb informacia imTaviTve gaavrcela Sveicariis sagareo saqmeTa saministrom.
– saqarTvelosa da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebis daviT zalkalianisa da sergei lavrovis Sexvedra Sveicariis, rogorc or qveyanas Soris mediatoris, inicirebiTa da xelSewyobiT 26 seqtembers niu-iorkSi, gaeros generaluri asambleis farglebSi Sedga. Sveicarias dialogis xelSewyobis grZelvadiani tradicia aqvs. 2009 wlidan Sveicaria warmoadgens ruseTis interesebs saqarTveloSi da saqarTvelos interesebs ruseTSi, – vkiTxulobT uwyebis gancxadebaSi.
daviT zalkalianis da sergei lavrovis Sexvedris detalebi am dromde ucnobia. sazogadoeba mxolod oficialuri uwyebebis oficialur gancxadebebs gaecno.
– sergei lavrovs pirdapir vuTxari, rom aucilebelia situaciis deeskalaciisa da deokupaciisken nabijebis gadadgma. maTi politikuri nebis gamovlinebis gareSe SeuZlebeli iqneba progresis miRweva, radgan is aris Zala, romelic am teritoriebis efeqtur kontrols axorcielebs. Zalian detalurad vesaubre im pozitiur, konstruqciul nabijebze, romelic saqarTvelom 2012 wlidan gadadga. pirvelad mqonda SesaZlebloba, rom meTqva, Tu ra nabijebi gadavdgiT, maT Soris aris karasini-abaSiZis formati, Zalis argamoyenebis valdebuleba, rasac pirnaTlad vasrulebT da razec viTxovT, rom maTganac moxdes Semxvedri nabijebis gadagma, – ganacxada daviT zalkalianma. misive TqmiT, Jenevis molaparakebebis kuTxiT, ruseTis federaciis mxridan aris garkveuli cvlilebebi warmomadgenelTan dakavSirebiT da man miiRo rwmuneba, rom es formatebi (Jenevis da e.w. abaSiZe-karasinis formati) im CarCoebSi da im meqanizmebSi, rogorc aqamde arsebobda, gagrZeldeba. Jenevis uaxloesi Sexvedra oqtombris dasawyisSi gaimarTeba da saqarTvelos delegacia warmodgenili iqneba ise, rogorc iyo aqamde. ministris TqmiT, samomavlo gegmebze an Sexvedraze maT ar usaubriaT.
daviT zalkalianisgan gansxvavebiT, Sexvedris Taobaze komentari ar gaukeTebia sergei lavrovs. ori qveynis sagareo uwyebis pirvel pirTa Sexvedras Sefasebebi mohyva rogorc ucxoeli, ise qarTveli politikosebis mxridan.
gaeros generaluri mdivani antonio gutiereSi miesalmeba saqarTvelosa da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebis Sexvedras. euTos Tavmjdomarem, slovakeTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrma miroslav laiCakim ki tviterze dawera: Sexvedra saqarTvelosa da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebs Soris, romelic Sveicariis mediaciiT Sedga, mniSvnelovania. is aCvenebs, rom arsebobs konstruqciuli dialogis imedi, romelsac SeuZlia daZabulobis Semcireba da stabilurobis gaZliereba, rac regionSi mcxovrebi yvela moqalaqisTvis sasargebloa.
saqarTvelos premier-ministri giorgi gaxaria imeds gamoTqvams, rom daviT zalkalianisa da sergei lavrovis Sexvedra xels Seuwyobs saqarTvelosa da ruseTs Soris urTulesi problemebis mogvarebas.
– cxadia, rom am problemis mogvarebis erTaderTi gza aris saerTaSoriso wesebi, saerTaSoriso kanonmdebloba da, ra Tqma unda, mWidro TanamSromloba Cvens partniorebTan. am suliskveTebiT Sedga es Sexvedra srul sinqronSi Cvens saerTaSoriso partniorebTan. swored amitom, Cven dRes, ai, am gadmosaxedidan, swored 27 seqtembers unda gvesmodes, rom civi, pragmatuli politika da erTaderTi piroba, rom omi ar aris gamosavali, aris is platforma, saidanac unda velaparakoT yvelas imisTvis, rom Cveni qveynis demokratiuli ganviTarebisa da erTianobisTvis CavyaroT safuZveli, – ganacxada giorgi gaxariam.
gaeros generaluri asambleis 74-e sesiis farglebSi sityviT gamovida saqarTvelos prezidenti salome zurabiSvilic. igi `qarTuli ocnebis~ pirveli prezidentia, romelmac generalur asambleaSi miiRo monawileoba. mis winamorbeds – giorgi margvelaSvils amis SesaZlebloba ar mieca, radgan 2014 wels prezidentis nacvlad asambleaSi monawileoba maSindelma premier-ministrma irakli RaribaSvilma miiRo. salome zurabiSvilis sityviT gamosvlas tradiciulad, umravlesobis mxridan dadebiTi, opoziciisgan ki uaryofiTi Sefasebebi mohyva.
– simarTle giTxraT, salome zurabiSvilisgan mets velodi, ufro sworad, metis mosmena msurda, Tumca mainc vTvli, rom is ZiriTadi aqcentebi, rac iyo gasakeTebeli am maRali tribunidan, man gaakeTa. saerTo jamSi, prezidentma yvelaferze isaubra, gamowvevebze, rac Cveni qveynis da zogadad, msoflio Tanamegobrobis winaSe arsebobs, magram roca saqme exeba Cveni qveynis interesebs, aq SeiZleboda, sxva formiT, mwvaved Tu rbilad, ufro meti Tqmuliyo, rac me SeiZleba damaklda, – ganacxada parlamentis Tavdacvis da uSiSroebis komitetis Tavmjdomare irakli sesiaSvilma.
mainc ras unda velodoT zalkaliani-lavrovis Sexvedrisgan? kiTxvaze politologma aslan lorTqifaniZem gvipasuxa.
– ori qveynis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebis Sexvedra organizebuli da inicirebuli iyo Cveni dasavleli partniorebis mier. isini bolo 28 welia gvaZleven rekomendaciebs, rom ruseTis federaciasTan viyoT dialogis reJimSi da yvela problemuri sakiTxi mxolod am gziT gadavwyvitoT. samwuxarod, am saerTaSoriso mocemulobidan didi xania amovardnilia qarTuli politikuri partiebis, arasamTavrobo, samoqalaqo seqtorisa da mediasaSualebebis umravlesoba. isini `civi omis~ droindeli ritorikiT daTvur samsaxurs uweven okupant qveyanas. did, okupant qveyanasTan molaparakebebis procesSi mTeli qarTuli sazogadoeba unda iyos konsolidirebuli. aravin elodeba pirvelive Sexvedrisgan rame mniSvnelovan Sedegebs, Tumca etapobrivad, dialogis gziT SesaZlebelia pirveli nabijebis gadadgma deokupaciis xangrZliv gzaze. am process sruli mxardaWera aqvs evrokavSiris, aSS-is da natos, rac Zalian mniSvnelovani faqtoria ruseT-saqarTvelos molaparakebebis procesSi.
– marTalia, sergei lavrovs daviT zalkalianTan Sexvedraze ar usaubria, Tumca Sexvedramde `komersantma~ ruseTis federaciis sagareo saqmeTa ministrTan interviu gamoaqveyna, sadac igi ambobs, rom Tu saqarTvelo Crdiloatlantikur aliansSi gawevriandeba okupirebuli teritoriebis gareSe, ruseTi ar daiwyebs oms, magram urTierTobebi gafuWdeba. sainteresoa, imaze metad ra unda gafuWdes ori qveynis urTierTobaSi, vidre okupaciaa…
– ruseTisTvis mtkivneul sakiTxad rCeba natos gafarToebis sakiTxi misi sazRvrebis mimarTulebiT, saqarTvelo ki am organizaciasTan integraciaSi xedavs usafrTxoebasa da ekonomikur keTildReobas. ruseT-saqarTvelos dialogis procesi am winaaRmdegobrivi interesebis simwvaves Seamcirebs. okupirebuli teritoriebis gareSe, danarCeni saqarTvelo arc erT organizaciaSi, maT Soris arc natoSi, ar gawevriandeba. aq, rogorc Cans, igulisxmeba Crdiloatlantikuri organizaciis wesdebis me-5 muxlis okupirebul teritoriebze gauvrceleblad mTeli saqarTvelos natoSi gawevrianebis idea. Cven am pirobiTac, jerjerobiT, ver vaxerxebT Crdiloatlantikur aliansSi gawevrianebas, Tumca momavalSi, xelsayreli saerTaSoriso viTarebis SemTxvevaSi, SesaZlebelia am ideis realizeba, rac bunebrivad gamoiwvevs ruseTis winaaRmdegobas, Tumca is oms ver daiwyebs natos wevr qveyanasTan, radgan es niSnavs natos yvela wevr saxelmwifosTan saomari moqmedebis dawyebas. am SemTxvevaSi mas SeuZlia gamoiyenos ekonomikuri berketebi saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg. `urTierTobebis gafuWebaSi~ swored es igulisxmeba.
– rac Seexeba salome zurabiSvilis asambleaze sityviT gamosvlas, miitana Tu ara prezidentma saqarTvelos mTavari saTqmeli partniorebamde?
– gaeros tribunis gamoyeneba yvela qveynisTvis mniSvnelovania, Tumca msoflio sazogadoebis yuradRebas mainc didi qveynebis saxelmwifo meTaurebis gamosvlebi iwvevs. saqarTvelos prezidentma im ZiriTad problemur sakiTxebze gaamaxvila yuradReba, rac dRes Cvens qveyanas awuxebs. misi etapobrivi daZleva ki SesaZlebelia mxolod ormxrivi da mravalmxrivi molaparakebebis gziT.
aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis umaRlesi sabWos deputats, `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrs asmaT diasamiZes daviT zalkalianisa da sergei lavrovis Sexvedrisgan gansakuTrebuli molodini ar aqvs. deputatma CvenTan saubrisas mTavari aqcenti ara ori qveynis sagareo saqmeTa saministros xelmZRvanelebis Sexvedraze, aramed asambleaze salome zurabiSvilis gamosvlaze gaakeTa.
– pirvel rigSi, im moxsenebaze unda gakeTdes aqcenti, riTic warsdga saqarTvelos prezidenti gaeros asambleaze. molodini gacilebiT didi iyo, aqcentebs velodiT ufro okupaciasa da im problemebze, ris winaSec dgas Cveni qveyana. vgulisxmob saokupacio xazs, gatacebul adamianebs da, zogadad, im did safrTxeebs, rac mosalodnelia ruseTisgan. xelisufleba rom maameblur politikas awarmoebs Cveni okupantis mimarT, araxalia. sazogadoebas axsovs, yofili prezidenti giorgi margvelaSvili xelisuflebam rom ar gauSva gaeros asambleaze da mis nacvlad premieri irakli RaribaSvili wavida. aseT masStabur RonisZiebebze qveyana prezidentma unda warmoadginos. dRes ratom andes aseTi sapasuxismgeblo misia salome zurabiSvils, CemTvis gaugebaria. aqve xazgasmiT minda vTqva, wina xelisuflebis pirobebSi, roca mixeil saakaSvili warsdga gaeros generalur asambleaze, pirdapir moTxova Cveni teritoriebis da sazRvrebis dacva.
– zalkalianTan Sexvedramde lavrovma ganacxada, rom Tu saqarTvelo Crdiloatlantikur aliansSi gawevriandeba okupirebuli teritoriebis gareSe, ruseTi ar daiwyebs oms, magram urTierTobebi gafuWdeba…
– imaze meti ra unda gaakeTos okupantma qveyanam, metad rogor gafuWdeba urTierToba maSin, roca yovel dRes weven sazRvars da amaze reaqcia ar aqvs Cvens xelisuflebas? ra unda Tqvas im prezidentma, romelic saokupacio xazTan arc misula, maSin roca adamianebi sakuTari xeliT Slidnen wlebiT naSeneb saxl-kars. sergei lavrovma es gancxadeba mas Semdeg gaakeTa, rac kmayofilma isaubra saqarTvelos xelisuflebis axal Semadgenlobaze. es niSnavs, rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba Separulad TamaSobs maameblur politikas, rac giorgi gaxarias gapremierebiTac dasturdeba. erTi Jurnalistis gamosvlaze rom amxela saxelmwifos aseTi reagireba eqneba, aviareisebs gaauqmebs da mere aRdgenaze daiwyebs saubars, amaze mniSvnelovani CemTvis Cemi qveynis teritoriebia. Tu ruseTi Tvlis, rom kargi mezobeli unda iyos, ojaxSi ar unda Semogivardes.
ori qveynis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebis Sexvedrisgan didi molodini arc umaRlesi sabWos umravlesobis wevrs daviT bacikaZes aqvs.
– didi molodini imisa, rom sergei lavrovi Cava da vladimer putins etyvis, deokupacia movaxdinoTo, ar maqvs, magram rac ar unda rTuli urTierTobebi gvqondes, Cveni partniorebis xelSewyobiT kontaqtebze gasvla da problemebze saubari aucilebelia. amas rom alternativa ar aqvs, yvela ambobs. gaeros generaluri mdivanic gamoexmaura zalkaliani-lavrovis Sexvedras, Tqva, rom kargia da miesalmeba kidec. Sexvedra Sveicariis TaosnobiT Sedga, saqmis kursSi iyvnen Cveni startegiuli partniorebic, evrokavSiric. Tu vinmes aqvs molodini, rom uceb raRac Seicvleba, amisgan Sors var. oms ar daviwyebTo – Tavis droze omic daiwyo ruseTma da urTierTobebic gafuWebulia. amaze meti raRa unda gafuWdes, atomuri bombi unda gvesrolos maSin da saerTod gagvanadguros. Sexvedrac, vfiqrob, Cveni dasavleli partniorebis survili ufro iyo – pirdapir kavSirze gavsuliyaviT mezobelTan da molaparakeba dagvewyo. dasavleTSi jer kidev arian politikosebi, romlebsac hgoniaT, rom ruseTTan dialogis gziT ramis miRweva SesaZlebelia. ruseTs Tu mkacri sanqciebiT ar daupirispirdeba dasavleTi, araferi gamova. Cven ar varT is saxelmwifo, romelsac ruseTze zemoqmedebis berketebi aqvs. amitom is politika, rac arCeuli gvaqvs – wynari da Tanmimdevruli, unda gavagrZeloT. rac Seexeba aviamimosvlis aRdgenas, kargi iqneba, magram ar gamovricxav, rom erT dRes SesaZloa cud xasiaTze gaeRviZos putins, gaaxsendes, erTi wlis win deda rom agines, an iq, sadRac tatamze rusi rom daamarcxa qarTvelma da frenebi isev Sewyvitos. marTalia, ekonomikas waadgeba aviamimosvlis aRdgena, magram rasac oponentebi gvTavazoben – mkacri ritorika, Seuracxmyofeli gancxadebebi, ar vemx-robi. Cven wynari, mSvidi, dasavluri urTierTobebiT gvinda mizans mivaRwioT. evroatlantikur ojaxSi gawevrianeba aris Cveni mizani.