უნდა აშენდეს თუ არა ახალი მეჩეთი ბათუმში?
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baTumis sasamarTloSi TiTqmis orwliani dava meCeTis aSenebis Taobaze dasrulda. sarCeli nawilobriv dakmayofilda. sasamarTlom muslimi Temis moTxovnaze meriis uari diskriminaciul qmedebad Seafasa da qalaqis mTavar uwyebas sakiTxis xelaxla ganxilva daavala. ras moiTxovs muslimTa Temi amdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi da ratom ar akmayofilebs maT moTxovnas meria da avtonomiuri respublikis sxva samTavrobo uwyebebi, SevecadeT es Tavad mosarClesa da sazogadoebis warmomadgenlebTan gasaubrebiT gagverkvia.
tariel nakaiZe, qarTvel muslimTa kavSiris Tavmjdomare, baTumSi axali meCeTis mSeneblobis sainiciativo jgufis xelmZRvaneli:
– sainiciativo jgufi Camoyalibda 2016 wlis noemberSi baTumSi axali meCeTis mSeneblobisTvis samarTlebrivi meqanizmebis da sxva aucilebeli RonisZiebebis uzrunvelyofis mizniT. Segrovda morwmuneTa 12 aTasi xelmowera, romelic gancxadebasTan erTad warvadgineT saxelmwifo uwyebaSi. paralelurad, oficialurad Seiqmna axali meCeTis mSeneblobis fondi, romlis meSveobiTac SeviZineT miwis nakveTi da gavakeTeT proeqti, radgan mTavrobam yurad ar iRo amdeni aTasi moqalaqis xelmoweriT dadasturebuli moTxovna da ar gamogviyo mSeneblobisTvis ufaso farTi. 2017 wlis 5 maiss mogvivida meriisgan uari proeqtis realizaciis nebarTvaze, romelic mxolod politikuri da ara iuridiuli TvalsazrisiT iyo dasabuTebuli. es uari gavasaCivreT. 2017 wlis 6 maiss baTumelma muslimebma protestis niSnad Ria cis qveS gaxsnes meCeTi SeZenil miwaze (general aslan abaSiZis quCa #№49, ragbis stadionis ukan), romelic dResac moqmedebs. aq modis da loculobs 2-4 aTasi muslimi. ori weliwadia, mimdinareobs sasamarTlo procesi. mosamarTlem SemogvTavaza meriasTan molaparakeba da SeTanxmebis miRweva, rasac davTanxmdiT, magaram amaod, radgan aranairi realuri winadadeba maTgan ar wamosula. mxolod am miwis nakveTis muslimTa sammarTvelosTvis gadacema mogvTxoves.
– Tqven ratom ar daTanxmdiT, erTmorwmuneTaTvis gadagecaT es miwis nakveTi?
– daTanxmeba niSnavda am miwis dakargvas. saxelmwifom dagvanaxa, rom mxolod miwis warTmeva surs. sworad moviqeciT, radgan dRes ukve sasamarTlom miiRo gadawyvetileba da daadgina diskriminacia rwmenis SezRudvis kuTxiT, Tumca ar daavala merias, rom moeca mSeneblobis nebarTva. iuristebTan saTando msjelobis Semdeg gadavwyvetT, gavasaCivrebT Tu ara aRniSnul sakiTxSi sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas.
– gamodis, sasamarTlos am gadawyvetilebiTac ar xarT kmayofili?
– kmayofili varT im kuTxiT, rom Cveni moTmineba dajildovda. minda erTi ram gaigoT – Cven ar vaSenebT mxolod meCeTs, Cven safuZvels vuyriT qveynis demokratiul ganviTarebas. gviRirs es brZola, raTa sabolood aRvmarToT sulierebis taZari.
– bevri Tvlis, rom amdeni morwmune Tavs iyris ara baTumidan, aramed sxva kuTxeebidan da am cru raodenobis demonstrirebiT spekulirebT axali meCeTis mSeneblobis aucileblobas. . .
– weliwadSi 152 paraskevia da Tu iseTi Zlieri pirovneba var, rom SemiZlia aTasobiT adamiani erT adgilze Sevyaro sxvadasxva regionidan, maSin esec angariSgasawevia.
– mxolod sadResaswaulo dReebzea saubari da ara yvela paraskevs.
– Tundac dResaswaulze ratom Camodian es adamianebi Tu maTi survili ar aris? Tanac Cven varT liberaluri, gaxsnili qveyana da Ria gvaqvs kari mezobeli qveynebis mlocvelebisTvisac. ara aqvs mniSvneloba, vin da saidan Camova, faqtia – Camodian. Tanac marTalia absurdad mimaCnia, rom specialurad Camogvyavdes adamianTa jgufebi, magram baTumis turistuli potencialis gazrdisTvis ratomaa cudi amdeni mlocvelis Camoyvana?
– xSirad brals gdeben, rom amgvari moqmedebiT sxva qveynis interesebs emsaxurebiT. . .
– esec absurdia, magram asec rom iyos, saxelmwifom CvenTan erTad unda imuSaos am mimarTulebiT, raTa sxvebma ki ara, Tavad dagvafinansos. Cven saqarTveloSi saidanme ki ar CamovsulvarT, aq davibadeT, Cveni samSobloa iseve, rogorc marTlmadidebluri Tu sxva religiebis mqone adamianebisTvis. ase rom, muslimTa survilic yurad unda iRon mmarTvelma wreebma.
– saqarTvelos evrointegraciisken aqvs gezi aRebuli da rogor fiqrobT, islamur qveynebTan daaxloeba ramdenad misaRebi iqneba Cveni xalxisTvis?
– evropaSic igive xdeba. iq aRiarebulia rwmenis xelSeuxebloba da gmoben diskriminacias. Tundac germania aviRoT, iq cxovrobs 3 aTasze meti muslimi da moqmedebs arabuli, Turquli, pakistanuri da sxva meCeTebi. germanias ar hyavda germaneli muslimebi, Cven ki gveZleva unikaluri Sansi, rom avaSenoT qarTuli meCeTebi da ara Turquli Tu arabuli. amasTan, qveyanaSi konstituciiTaa aRiarebuli rwmenis Tavisufleba, rac safuZvels gvaZlevs, bolomde vibrZoloT meCeTis aSenebisTvis. gvinda davuSvaT precedenti, rom saxelmwifo uwyebebi ver SeewinaaRmdegon imas, rac konstituciiTaa daSvebuli. amitom mivdivarT sasamarTlos gziT, gvinda srulyofil da ara meorexarisxovan moqalaqeebad vigrZnoT Tavi.
– Tqven samufToc gangidgaT, ra gamodis, romel muslimanobaze vsaubrobT, Tuki sulieri winamZRvrebic ar dganan Tqven gverdiT?
– es aris saxelmwifos araswori politikis Sedegi religiuri umciresobebis mimarT. xelisufleba cdilobs, religiuri organizaciebis Sida samzareuloSi Caerios da samwuxarod, muslimTa sammarTveloSi ukve zis xelisuflebis warmomadgeneli, anu ukve Tavadaa mmarTveli. ramdenime wlis win sammarTvelom meCeTis nacvlad axali rezidencia moiTxova da miiRo kidec. am faqtma sazogadoeba orad gayo. erT mxares darCa muslimTa sammarTvelo, romelsac kontrols uwevs xelisufleba, sus-i, xolo meore mxares aRmoCndnen rigiTi muslimebi. amitom Seiqmna sainiciativo jgufi sammarTvelos warmomadgenlebis gareSe.
– aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare Tornike riJvaZe rogorc ki movida xelisuflebaSi, ganacxada, rom meCeTi unda aSendes, oRond qarTuli fuliT, Tumca Semdeg ukan daixia, rogor fiqrobT, ratom?
– zewolis Sedegia, rom ugulebelyo Tavisi sityva. saxelmwifos ara aqvs moqnili politika, gansakuTrebiT muslimTa mimarT, rac iwvevs radikaluri Zalebis Camoyalibebas.
– ramdeni meCeTia baTumSi, aWaraSi?
– baTumSi – erTi, aWaraSi – 200, radgan mosaxleobis 65%-ze meti muslimia. Tu saWiro gaxda, avaSenebT meoresac, mexuTesac da metsac. Cven mivyvebiT islamis dogmatur wess, ramdensac iTxovs morwmuneTa raodenoba – imdeni aSendeba. amis ufleba gvaqvs konstituciiT da veravin SegviSlis xels.
Tengiz TavdgiriZe, TavadaznaurTa aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvaneli, Coxosani, qarTul-afxazuri kavSir `Zmobis~ xelmZRvaneli, baTumis meriis kulturis centris direqtoris moadgile:
– sasamarTlom miiRo realuri gadawyvetileba, radgan dRevandeli kanonmdeblobiT, nebismiers SeuZlia daayenos es sakiTxi. Cvenda saubedurod, am kuTxiT aranairi SezRudva ar arsebobs. rac Seexeba aRniSnuli sakulto nagebobis aSenebis nebarTvas, misi gacema meriis gadasawyvetia da mis funqciebSi ver viWrebiTo, esec ganacxada mosamarTlem. Cemi midgoma am sakiTxisadmi zogadad cnobilia. Tanaxma var, rom adgilze gafarTovdes meCeTi, radgan Zalian Seviwroebulia. 750-800 kvm quTaisis quCis mimdebared gaqiravebulia ucxoelebze. amitom adgilze gavafarTooT, iq, sadac axla arian, adliis dasaxlebaSi, ukve aqvT amis saSualeba. daaxloebiT 1500-2000kvm farTi miematebaT salocavad. administraciuli SenobisTvis da medrese skola-pansionisTvis saxelmwifom gamoyo ori Zvirad Rirebuli Senoba.
– ratom ar uSvebT meCeTis aSenebas iq, sadac moiTxoven?
– es principuli sakiTxia imdenad, ramdenadac Cvens mezobel qveyanas religia politikis rangSi ahyavs. Zalian didi dafinansebebi modis TurqeTidan. gansakuTrebiT medrese-pansionebis gaxsnisa da iq Cveni mozardi bavSvebis Tavisi ideologiiT aRzrdisTvis. gaixsna muslimanuri tipis sabavSvo baRebic ki, sadac 2 wlis asakidan SehyavT patarebi. es yvelaferi, cxadia, SeSfoTebas iwvevs. marTlac, mZafri, mtkivneuli sakiTxia. me es vici, radgan Cemi winaprebic, gamahmadianebuli qarTvelebi iyvnen. marTalia, me da Cemi ojaxi davubrundiT ZirZvel sarwmunoebas, magram sanaTesaos, samegobros didi nawili jer kidev muslimia. maT xSirad vxvdebi xuloSi, SuaxevSi, qedaSi, did pativs vcemT erTmaneTs. erTad davdivarT qorwilebSi, gasvenebebSi, ZeobebSi da a.S. amitom, Cemi azria, gamovkiTxoT baTumelebi. viciT, rom qalaqSi ukve 7 meCeTia.
– tariel nakaiZe amtkicebs erTaderTiao.
– axla daemata 6 meCeTi qalaqis administrciuli sazRvrebis gafarToebis wyalobiT. mokled, Catardes plebisciti. Tu baTumelebi gadawyveten, aSendes axali meCeTi, aranairi problema ar iqneba. aseve, Cemi azriT, arsebuli orTajame unda gadakeTdes muzeumad, mis nacvlad ki avuSenoT axali meCeTi Cvens morwmune muslim qarTvelebs. am muzeumSi warmodgenili iqneba aWaris gamahmadianebis dokumentebi, fotoebi, imis Sesaxeb, Tu vin aaSena es jame, vin iyo pirveli mufTi, cnobili personebi da a.S. rac Seexeba tariel nakaiZes, ras ambobs ar gvainteresebs, radgan kargad viciT, saidanac finansdeba, vis SekveTebs asrulebs da sxv. arada, Tavad amboben, rom 300-ze meti meCeTi, medrese-pansionebi arsebobs, romlebsac TurqeTi Riad afinansebso.
– ratom xarT darwmunebuli, rom baTumelTa gamokiTxvis SemTxvevaSi maTi umravlesoba mxars ar dauWers axali meCeTis mSeneblobas?
– imitom, rom 2013 wels ukve gamoikiTxa 60 aTasi adamiani. qalaqis sxvadasxva ubanSi Caidga magidebi, sadac 40 dRis ganmavlobaSi qalaqelebi midiodnen da adasturebdnen TavianT poziciebs oTx SekiTxvaze: vinaa momxre, rom baTumSi aSendes axali meCeTi? vinaa winaaRmdegi; vinaa momxre qalaqgareT aSendes axali meCeTi da vinaa adgilze gafarToebis momxre. gamokiTxulTa 95% kategoriuli winaaRmdegi iyo meCeTis aSenebis, procentnaxevari iyo momxre, ori procenti iTxovda qalaqgareT mSeneblobas, xolo procentnaxevari – adgilze gafarToebas. es Sedegebi daegzavna yvela saxelmwifo Tu dainteresebul arasamTavrobo uwyebebs. amis Semdeg tariel nakaiZem Seitana muslimTa saxeliT qalaqis meriasa da aWaris mTavrobaSi moTxovna 12 aTasi kacis xelmoweriT. es xelmowerebi gadavamowmeT xulos, qedis, Suaxevis, xelvaCauris da qobuleTis ZirZveli gvarebis warmomadgenlebTan erTad. aRmoCnda, rom am 12 aTasidan, mxolod 12% iyo baTumeli, xolo danarCeni – 10500 kaci marneulidan, lagodexidan, aspinZidan, xulos maRalmTiani soflebidan da a.S. am adamianebma iq moiTxovon axali meCeTi, sadac cxovroben. baTumSi ratom aqvT aCemebuli?! aseTi xelmowerebiT SeuZliaT ozurgeTsa da TbilisSic moiTxovon da ra gamodis, unda aaSenon? tariel nakaiZis gziT qveyana ver ivlis. magis mosawoni mufTic ar daibada. yvelas uSiSroebis agents eZaxis, Tavad visi agentia? Tu muslimia, Sevides da ilocos, rogor ereva mufTis kompetenciebSi? amitom vambob, baTumelebs SevekiTxoT, Tu xalxi brZanebs – barcxanidan dawyebuli, yvela ubanSi avaSenoT, vin wava winaaRmdegi!
badri nakaSiZe, aWaris ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis ministris moadgile:
– mimaCnia, rom es sakiTxi zedmetad politizirebulia. pirvel rigSi, unda dadgindes, raodenobrivad ramdenad aucilebelia qalaqSi mcxovrebi qarTveli muslimebisTvis axali meCeTis aSeneba. meore – unda gavigoT baTumelTa azri, sWirdeba Tu ara qalaqs axali meCeTi. rogorc me vici, pirvel SemT-xvevaSi pasuxi uaryofiTia, xolo meore SemTxvevaSi – kategoriulad uaryofiTi. amasTan, sainteresoa dadgindes, ramdenad gulwrfelia tariel nakaiZe, romelic ase gulmodgined, svams axali meCeTis aSenebis sakiTxs, aris Tu ara misi SemarTeba rwmenis Tavisuflebasa da religiur aRmsareblobaze wuxili, Tu esaa e.w. `islamis jariskacebis~ komfortze zrunva da Semdgom aravin icis, rodis, ra pirobebSi, ra mizniT gamoiyeneben am jariskacebs. amitom es aris Zalian seriozuli sakiTxi, romelic Rrmad Seswavlas moiTxovs – ra Tqma unda, religiuri aRmsareblobis da rwmenis Tavisuflebis garantiiT da amasTan, saxelmwifo interesebis dacviT.~
