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baTumSi `patriotTa aliansis~ liderebma am partiis wevrebisa da sxva moxaliseTa mier Catarebuli kvlevis prezentacia gamarTes
irma inaSvilis TqmiT, bolo erTi kviris ganmavlobaSi 77 000 baTumeli gamoikiTxa sami kiTxvis farglebSi: 1. evrointegraciis SenarCunebasTan erTad saqarTvelom unda gamoacxados Tu ara samxedro neitraliteti? 2. miaCniaT Tu ara saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis SesaZleblobad mxolod da mxolod ruseTTan samSvidobo politika da pirdapiri dialogi moskovTan, soxumTan, cxinvalTan? 3. migaCniaT Tu ara saakaSvili-bokerias reJimi danaSaulebrivad? misive TqmiT, saqarTvelos sxva qalaqebSic Catardeba analogiuri gamokiTxva, Semdeg ki am pasuxebs politikur analizTan erTad warudgenen parlaments qveynisTvis sasicocxlo sakiTxebis gadawyvetisTvis.
irma inaSvilma gamokiTxvis Sesaxeb teleeTeriT ganacxada. man Tqva: `vcxovrobT totaluri tyuilis garemocvaSi. sul sxva ganwyobebia sazogadoebasa da xalxSi. sul sxva ganwyobebs gvaxveven Tavs saakaSvilebi, bokeriebi, maTi mfarvelebi da patronebi~. `nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebma ki aRniSnuli kvleva Seafases ruseTis SekveTad. maTi gancxadebiT, es antisaxelmwifoebrivi qmedebebia da emsaxureba Crdiloeli mezoblis interesebs. gamokiTxvis organizatorebma ki miuges, rom samxedro miumxroblobis modeli aprobirebulia evropis bevr qveyanaSi, maT Soris avstriaSi, SveicariaSi, SvedeTSi, fineTSi da misi ruseTTan dakavSireba arasworia.
`is, vinc gangvixilavs rusul politikur Zalad, swored maT dasjas da gasamarTlebas moviTxovT. vinaidan es jgufebi, vgulisxmob saakaSvilis da bokerias politikur gaerTianebebs – arian mwameblebi. swored maT Caabares Cveni miwebis 22%-ze meti ruseTs, amitom maTi azri CvenTvis saerTod ar aris saintereso~, – RimiliT daaskvna saubris dasasruls irma inaSvilma.
ra qveteqts gulisxmobda kiTxvebi, romlebic `patriotTa aliansis~ wevrebma baTumelebs dausves da ra mizans emsaxureboda aRniSnuli gamokiTxva, amaze da sxva sakiTxebze dRes aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputati `patriotTa aliansidan~ merab bladaZe gvesaubreba.
– batono merab, saubari daviwyoT qalaqSi Catarebuli kvlevis Sesaxeb. gamokiTxvis pasuxebis dajamebisas ra Sedegebi dafiqsirda?
– gamokiTxulTa 69%-ma anu 53129 baTumelma saqarTvelos samxedro miumxroblobas anu samxedro neitralitets dauWira mxari. es niSnavs, rom qveyana ar unda gawevriandes arc erT samxedro blokSi, Cvens teritoriaze ar unda ganlagdes arc erTi qveynis samxedro baza, aseve ar Catardes ucxo qveynis monawileobiT samxedro wvrTnebi. 75% – 57750 baTumeli emxroba samSvidobo politikas da Tvlis, rom saqarTvelos mTlianobis aRdgena SesaZlebelia mxolod da mxolod ruseTTan dialogis gziT. xolo 64%-s – 49280 baTumels miaCnia, rom saakaSvili-bokerias mmarTveloba Zaladobrivi, danaSaulebrivi reJimi iyo.
– ra mizans emsaxureba es kvleva?
– mizani erTaderTia. gvinda sazogadoebas naTlad davanaxoT moqalaqeTa ganwyobebi. gaiTvaliswineT isic, rom Cven varT Zalian rTul mdgomareobaSi. yvelam iciT, Tu saqarTvelos erTianobisTvis ar vibrZoleT, rogorc qveyana ver SevdgebiT. Cveni konfliqtis zonebi – afxazeTi da samaCablo isev da isev ruseTis zegavlenis qveSaa. aAmas winaT cxinvalma ruseTs mierTebis TxovniT mimarTa. surs federaciis wevri gaxdes, oRond rogorc damoukidebeli saxelmwifo. vRebulobT mesijebs evropis megobari qveynebidan, rom Tavadve vawarmooT molaparakebebi cxinvalTan. aq ki gvabraleben, rom natos winaaRmdegni varT da ruseTis wisqvilze vasxamT wyals… es mtknari sicruea, ase ar aris. principSi cudi ar iqneba natoSi gawevrianeba, magram aris elementaruli problema – ukve meramdene weliwadia nato gvpirdeba, rom migviRebs, magram Taobebi gaizarda da jerac araferi gadawyvetila am kuTxiT CvenTvis sasikeTo. vatyobT, ukve safrTxis Semcvelic gaxda es molodini.
– ras gulisxmobT `safrTxis Semcvel molodinSi~?
– daakvirdiT, rogorc ki daviwyebT natoSi gawevrianebaze laparaks, maSinve iwyeba sazRvrebis CrdiloeTisken cocva. darwmunebuli var, Tuki raime realuri gakeTda, maSinve gaaRviZebs ruseTi javaxeTs, SeierTebs cxinvals. mere ra unda vqnaT? natos Zveli generaluri mdivani rasmuseni xom gvTavazobda natos moTxovnebis me-5 punqtis amoRebas da asocirebul wevrobas, amaze rom davTanxmdeT, gamoricxuli ar aris, ruseTma goris centraluri trasa Tavis sazRvrebSi moaqcios! ra, isev oms gamovucxadebT?! `nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebi rom alaparakdnen axla am mcocav sazRvrebze, visi xelmoweriT xdeba es? saakaSvilis, medvedevis, sarkozis – am samTa TanxmobiT, maTi xelSekrulebis safuZvelze. imitomaa amJamindeli mTavroba uZluri am sazRvrebTan dakavSirebiT. arada, gamodian `nacionalebi~ da patriotizmSi cru qulebs iweren, Cven gvabraleben ruseTumeebi xarTo. Tu davkargeT cxinvali, afxazeTi isedac dakarguli gvaqvs, veRarafers gavxdebiT.
– raSi xedavT gamosavals?
– mxolod am etapze gaCnda Sansi, rom pirdapiri molaparakeba vawarmooT cxinvalsa da moskovTan, magram aqeT ukve sxva opoziciuri speqtri – `proevropelebi~ bokerias TamadobiT acxadeben, rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeTa 80% iTxovs natoSi gawevrianebas. es absoluturi tyuilia. swored amitom CavatareT kvleva, romelmac rogorc ukve giTxariT, aCvena, rom gamokiTxulTa 69% samxedro miumxroblobis momxrea. es ar niSnavs evropaze uaris Tqmas. evropaSic xom arian qveynebi, romlebsac ar surT samxedro bazebi sakuTar teritoriaze?!
– samxedro neitralitetis SemTxvevaSi mTlad daucvelebi xom ar davrCebiT ruseTis winaSe?
– risi okupaciac moindomes, SeZles kidec, ara?! iaraRiT xom mainc verafers gavxdiT, amdeni biWi SevwireT da teritoriebic wagvarTves, ekonomikis ngrevaze da omisgan moyenebul zaralze axla aRar SevCerdebi. sxvagvarad davayeneb sakiTxs: vTqvaT, gavxdiT natos wevri, gamodis, unda CavayenoT aqac (ise rogorc sxva wver qveynebSi) natos jarebi. saqarTvelosTan natos romeli wevri qveyanaa yvelaze axlos? TurqeTi! hoda, Cagvidgeba aq, aWaraSi, Turqis jari, romelsac Cven – aWarlebi veRar avitanT imitom, rom samasi weli idgnen aq, CvenTan, Zlivs gavTavisufldiT. ager, axlo warsulSi – 1921 welsac ki moaxerxa arTvinis olqis, SavSeTis, samcxe-saaTabagos okupireba TurqeTma. amitom vTvliT, rom Zalian bevr safrTxes Seicavs saqarTvelosTvis natos wevroba. Tanac, rac mTavaria, arc gvRebuloben. ukve 25 weliwadia gaviZaxiT: nato, nato da. . . araferi!
– ambobT, rom samxedro neitraliteti natoSi gawevrianebaze bevrs mogvcems?
– ra Tqma unda, ufro mets mogvcems – naklebi mteri gveyoleba da molaparakebebiT SevZlebT cxinvalis da soxumis dabrunebas. . . da vinmes Tu hgonia kidev, rom avtonomiis Zveli satatusiT dagvibrundeba, Zalian Semcdara. saqarTvelo unda gadakeTdes federaciul saxelmwifod da swored federaciis farglebSi davibrunoT afxazeTi da samaCablo. swored es migvaCnia `patriotTa aliansis~ wevrebs gamarTlebul da WeSmarit gzad. amisTvis vibrZviT da darwmunebuli var – aucileblad mivaRwevT.
– axlandeli konfliqtebis fonze ramdenad misaRebi da SesaZlebelia ruseTTan dialogi?
– Cven wavageT brZola. mas ukve okupirebuli aqvs Cveni teritoriebi. xom ar SeveguebiT miwebis dakargvas? ra dagvrCa? – molaparakeba. bolos da bolos germaniam da sabWoTa kavSirma SeZles molaparakeba, miuxedavad imisa, rom maT Soris aTeulobiT milioni adamianis sisxli idga. mters unda elaparako, Torem moyvare isedac gagigebs. Cven rom gvqondes okupirebuli ruseTis teritoria, maSin ki ar vityodiT, modiT, rusebs velaparakoTo. iqiT daiwyebdnen dialogis gzebis Zebnas. amitom vTvliT, rom Cven unda daviwyoT molaparakeba, ra Tqma unda, Cveni strategiuli partniori evropuli qveynebis mxardaWeriT.
– ratom daiwyeT gamokiTxva baTumSi, Tu mxolod am erT qalaqs dasjerdebiT?
– simarTle giTxraT, am pasuxebs daeWvebuli velodebodiT, bokerias gundi imdenad darwmunebuli gaiZaxoda, rom qarTvelTa umetesobas natos wevroba surso, vifiqreT, xom ar vaxvevT Tavs moqalaqeebs Cvens azrs?. . baTumiT ki imitom daviwyeT, rom aWara saqarTvelos WiSkaria, misi medroSea. rasac aWaraSi fiqrobs xalxi, imas fiqrobs mTeli saqarTvelo. cxadia, sxva qalaqebSic Catardeba analogiuri gamokiTxvebi. movivliT mTel qveyanas, azrs SevekiTxebiT mosaxleobis umravlesobas da adre gazafxulze am pasuxebis Sedegebs mivitanT parlamentSi gansaxilvelad.
– ramdenad sandoa Tqveni gamokiTxvebi, gadamowmebis SesaZlebloba arsebobs?
– Cvens kvlevebSi SesaZlebelia yvela gamokiTxuli moqalaqis identificireba piradobis, telefonis nomrebiT, misamarTebiT, xelwerebiT. pasuxismgebelni varT, rom aq aRnusxuli yvela pasuxi ekuTvnis Sesabamis moqalaqes.
– aqamde ambobdiT, rom ar gainteresebdaT `nacionaluri moZraoba~ da misi wevrebi. ram gamoiwvia aseT masStabur gamokiTxvaSi maTi Sefasebis CarTva. moaxloebul arCevnebSi maT diskreditacias xom ar isaxavdiT miznad?
– yvela Cveni qmedebis amosavali wertili saqarTvelo da misi keTildReobaa, arCevnebi aq arafer SuaSia. `patriotTa aliansi~ ToToeuli aqciiT, kvleviT, RonisZiebiT cdilobs, warmoaCinos sakuTari Sromismoyvareoba da siZliere, rac dRiTi dRe, wlidan wlamde gvemateba. amas xedavs da afasebs kidec xalxi. winasaarCevno Sou da mzadeba swored `nacionalurma moZraobam~ moawyo am viTomda patriotuli gamoxtomebiT, rac Zalian Zviri daujda qveyanas. an is rad Rirs, amomrCevlis SecdomaSi SeyvanisTvis sxvadasxva partiebad rom daiqsaqsnen. gvyavs axla es produqtebi. . . organizacias `sircxvilias~ rom daarqmev, imaT wevrebs ra vuTxari me!. . an kidev erTi produqti – `is~ – axalgazrdebi, romlebsac arc samSoblo, araferi ainteresebT sakuTari aRviraxsnilobis garda.
– rogorc ukve ganacxadeT, sruli gamokiTxvis Sedegebi gadaecema parlaments, ras elodebiT deputatebisgan?
– imas, rom erTxel da samudamod Tavs davanebebT natoSi gawevrianebis iluziiT cxovrebas, masze fiqrs. aseve, iqve msxdomi `nacionalebi~ naxaven, rogor afasebs xalxi maT – winandel xelisuflebas da sajarod dafiqsirdeba, rom danaSaulebrivi reJimis warmomadgenlebi qveynis sakanonmdeblo organoSi ar unda isxdnen, saqarTvelos momavalze ar unda saubrobdnen. Cveni gamokiTxva afiqsirebs qarTveli xalxis nebas, romelic saqarTvelos parlamentma unda aRasrulos.
