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ambobs, rom weris procesi yvelaze sasiamovnoa misTvis, radgan am dros ambobs saTqmels, romelic daugrovda da suls uforiaqebs. misi leqsebi midis adamianebis gulebamde da grZnob, rom swored is Tqva, rac didi xania gindoda geTqva
gazeT `aWaris~ stumari araerTi premiis laureati poeti roin abuseliZea
– bavSvoba. . . interesebi. . . profesia. . .
– Zalian kargi bavSvoba mqonda. Tavidan morcxvi viyavi, imdenad morcxvi, baRSi rames rom daaSavebdnen bavSvebi, me mabralebdnen da imis Tqmac ki mrcxvenoda, rom es tyuili iyo. skolis periodSi radikaluri evolucia ganvicade da Cems celqobas ukve sxvas vabralebdi, Tanac ise ostaturad, rom eWvi aravis uCndeboda. es rac Cems xasiaTs exeba. . . zogadad, Cveni bavSvoba, Sav-bneli 90-ianebis miuxedavad, Zalian feradi iyo. arc Suqi, arc televizori, arc interneti, magram saocari fantaziis unari da warmosaxviTi bedniereba, xmis CaxleCamde megobrebis saxelis Zaxili maT fanjrebTan Tu aivnebTan, gadayvlefili muxlebi, `iupis~ ugemrielesi wveni, `suriki da bronza~, mamalo kanfetebi, `turbos~ seriebi da aTasi brwyinvale wvrilmani. rac Seexeba profesias, erT-erTi didi Secdoma Cems cxovrebaSi Cemi profesiaa (Jurnalistika maqvs damTavrebuli, Tumca Jurnalistad erTi saaTic ar mimuSavia). dRemde vTvli, rom araswori sfero avirCie da guli mwydeba. nuravin miwyens, magram iseTi STabeWdileba mrCeba, rom dRes saqarTveloSi sulac ar aris aucilebeli, Jurnalistika gqondes damTavrebuli, Jurnalistad rom imuSao. Tavidan rom mqondes arCevanis gakeTebis saSualeba, aucileblad kinoxelovnebas avirCevdi, radgan kinematografia Zalian momwons da am kuTxiT bolo xuT weliwadSi imdeni ram aviTvise, araa gamoricxuli, erTi moklemetraJiani kargi filmis gadaRebac SevZlo.
– iyo poeti – niSnavs. . .
– poetis gagebac da raobac, Cemi azriT, yvela droSi sxvadasxvanairia. icvleba arsi, mniSvneloba poetisa, aseve adamianebis damokidebulebac maT mimarT. winaT poetoba TiTqos profesia iyo, isini iTvlebodnen sazogadoebisgan gamorCeul, gansxvavebuli azris matarebel adamianebad, romlebsac yvela usmenda, afasebda, aRmerTebda kidec. . . isini saubrobdnen teleekranidan, tribunidan, scenidan da moZRvravdnen ers, iZleodnen magaliTs, werdnen samotivacio leqsebs samSobloze, siyvarulze da rCebodnen xalxis gulebSi, wignebSi, istoriaSi. . . dRes yvelaferi sxvagvaradaa. poets SeiZleba yvelgan Sexvde da is iyos supermarketis menejeri, barmeni, politikosi, taqsis mZRoli, Jurnalisti, mSenebeli, biznesmeni, sasuliero piri da a.S. maT naklebad usmenen da ujereben. Tumc rac unda moxdes, yovelTvis iarsebebs poezia da sanam erTi mkiTxveli mainc iqneba, poetebic iqnebian cocxlebi. iyo poeti, albaT imas niSnavs, rom rac unda didi tvirTis tareba giwevdes, Sens Tavze maRla mainc unda SeZlo axtoma.
– pirveli leqsi. . .
– pirvel leqss veravin wers Sedevruls. Cems SemTxvevaSi uaresad iyo saqme – sasacilo leqsi gamomivida da studentobisas msk-Sic ki gamoviyeneT. im etapze davrwmundi, rom leqsi seriozulad unda damewera, Semdeg gagvetana rogorc xumroba msk-ze warmatebis misaRwevad, magram drodadro es leqsebi seriozuli gaxda da xalxs aRar amxiarulebda maTi mosmena, me ki weram amitana. ase etapobrivad daixvewa da gasevdianda Cemi lirikac, romlis gareSec rTulia sakuTari Tavi moviazro. poezia es aris yoveldRiuri, yovelwamieri gza, rasac gavdivar, gza gulidan tvinamde, sevdis etli, fiqris biliki.
– leqsis werisas ra aris Tqveni STagonebis wyaro?
– weris procesi erT-erTi yvelaze sasiamovno ramaa CemTvis. am dros vaTavisufleb im wyvdiads, romelic dagrovda, romelic aucileblad unda gamovides organizmidan, rom samomavlod Tavisuflad sunTqvis saSualeba momeces. Tavad cxovrebaa STagonebis wyaro, uamravi faqti, ambavi, movlena, rac Cven irgvliv xdeba, viTardeba, aseve sulieri ganwyoba, sevda da sixaruli… es yvelaferi ileqeba da gamosavals eZebs. rom daitovo, guli SeiZleba gagiskdes, imdenad mZime satarebelia.
– xarT araerTi premiis laureati. ras niSnavs es TqvenTvis?
– sityva `premia~ Zalian mexamuSeba. sul vfiqrob, rom mimarTlebs da ar vimsaxurebdi. amas ar vambob Tavmdablobis gamo, marTla asea, Tumca Zalian maxarebs warmateba, romelsac Seni qveynis, Seni kuTxis saxeliT moipoveb adamiani. is mxolod Sen ar gekuTvnis, Seni ojaxis wevrebisacaa, megobrebisac, qalaqisac, kuTxisac. . . swored aseTi SegrZneba mqonda, winandlis premia roca aviRe, Zalian bednieri viyavi, radgan am konkursis istoriaSi es pirveli SemTxveva iyo, literaturis (poeziis) dargSi pirveli adgili aWaraSi rom wamovida.
– bolo dros wakiTxuli wigni, romelmac didi gavlena moaxdina Tqvenze. . .
– sul mindoda vaxtang javaxaZis wignis `ucnobis~ wakiTxva da ramdenime dRis win avisrule es survili. Sedegma molodins gadaaWarba. kidev ori wigni maxsendeba, rac bolos wavikiTxe: Temur babluanis `mze, mTvare da puris yana~ da deniel kizis `yvavilebi eljernonisTvis~.
– mxolod erTi leqsi rom iyos Tqveni poezia, romeli iqneboda da ratom?
– me bolos dawerili leqsi momwons yovelTvis, roca `cxel-cxelia~, sxva gemo aqvs. es eiforia roca gadis, mere Cans, romel leqss ra adgili uWiravs. isini gulisguliT aris naweri, SvilebiviTaao, rom ityvian, marTla asea – Sen aCen, zrdi, sazogadoebas acnob da mere TavisiT ikvlevs gzas. zogi Sors midis, zogi ver, Tumc yvela erTnairad giyvars, amitom ar SemiZlia konkretuli erTi leqsi mag kuTxiT gamovarCio, axla uceb rac gamaxsenda, esaa:
baTums
verc ise saSiS wvimebis xSiri
da mxiaruli ultimatumi
SeZlebs, rom gulis gulTan kavSiri
Seswyvitos. . . ise miyvars baTumi.
TviT baTumia amis mizezi,
baTumi Cveni qveynis kelia
da am qalaqSi xSirad ise wvims,
rwmundebi, wvimac baTumelia.
lampionebze Rrublebs abamen
quCebi, dRea Sarmis morgeba,
roca amindi rZisfer saRamos
moiqargavs da moiqolgeba.
da erT qolgaSi myofi wyvilebi
mravldeba TiTo-TiTo tiraJiT,
erTmaneTi rom uyvarT, wvimaSi –
mixvdebi kaci danamdvilebiT.
sxedan Citebic sarecx Tokebze,
sxedan da kenken qalaqs vnebians,
Cerdeba wvima, xolo qolgebi
sokoebiviT ikrifebian.
leqsi ki rCeba rogorc baraqa,
mTvares rom etrfis, _ Ramis
bairaRs,
da mTels qalaqSi mTeli qalaqi
bednieria raRacnairad.
– baTumi da baTumeloba. . .
– baTumi erTi didi saxlia, am saxlSi cxovroben baTumelebi, am saxlis kari mudam Riaa da iseTi SemTxveva ar arsebobs, maspinZeli Sin ar iyos. baTumelebi dauZinebeli maspinZlebi arian. adrec uTqvamT, namdvili baTumeli swored is aris, zafxulSi dasasveneblad rom ar midis da qalaqs ar tovebso. aq yvela erTmaneTs icnobs, erTi didi saxlia baTumi, didi ojaxi.
– rom SeigrZno namdvili aWara, am kuTxis xasiaTi, unda moinaxulo. . .
– aWaris RirsSesaniSnaobebs ra gamolevs, yovel fexis nabijze istoriaa, warsulis sevdaa. saocari buneba, mTebi, monastrebi, mdinareebi, cixeebi. Aaq, pirvel rigSi, `Cxaveris~ Rvinodqceuli naJuri unda daagemovno, romelic mxolod qedaSi, kerZod, merisSi xarobs. visac tkbili uyvars, aWaraSi baqlava rom ar gasinjos, albaT, danaSauli iqneba.
– romelia kacobriobis yvelaze didi miRweva . . .
– kacobrioba arsebobas agrZelebs da vfiqrob, mTavari saTqmeli jer kidev winaa, imdenad miyvars fentezis Janri da, zogadad, ocneba, rom rac dRes xdeba medicinasa da teqnikaSi, didad ar makvirvebs, magram, Cemi azriT, erTxelac adamianebi teleportacias SeZleben. . . 25 saukuneSi ki viRac aifon-178-iT am intervius waikiTxavs da gakvirvebuli darCeba – roin abuseliZe Turme rodis ambobda amaso. axla, am wuTas rac gamaxsenda, getyvi – mexsierebis Cipi Zalian didi miRwevaa, e.w. fleSka, romelSic msoflios yvelaze didi arqivebi da biblioTekebi Caetia.
– feisbuqze gaqvT gverdi `vurCioT erTmaneTs filmebi~. gvirCieT sami filmi.
– Zalian bevri sayvareli filmi damigrovda, Tumc axla didi siamovnebiT gadavidodi sacxovreblad tim bartonis filmSi `didi Tevzi~. . . aqve qarTvelebisTvis ramdenime naklebad cnobil reJisors girCevT, romlebsac Zalian kargi filmebi aqvT. . . nuri jeilani, nadin labaki, alfonso kuaroni, jun-ho-bongi, fatih akini, demien Sezeli. . .
– epoqa, romelSic icxovrebdiT da adamianebi, visi megobaric didi siamovnebiT iqnebodiT?
– vicxovrebdi XIX saukunis dasawyisSi, amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis Zvel dasavleTSi, e.w vesternis epoqaSi, viqnebodi kovboi, Serifi an sulac banditi, vivlidi cilindriT, plediT, `koltiT~, meqneboda miwebi, mamulebi, meyoleboda coli da bevri Svili, sanam meuRle oqrosferTmian gogonas qargvaSi amecadinebda, me biWebs jiriTs vaswavlidi, mizanSi srolas. saRamos aivanze movwrupavdi `jek denielss~, davReWavdi TuTuns, stvena-stveniT gavZarcvavdi bankebs, matareblebs da vicxovrebdi ase manam, sanam viRac klint istvudisnairi duelSi Subls ar gamixvretda. xumroba iqiT iyos da. . . siamovnebiT viqnebodi mahaTma gandis, ianuS korCakis megobari.
– ras niSnavs TqvenTvis bedniereba?
– bedniereba erTi wamia, romelic yurTan tyviasaviT gaizuzunebs da sanam dagemovnebas daupireb, ukve gafrenili da Cavlilia Turme. . .
– Svili. . .
– yvelaze Zvirfasi da mniSvnelovani, rac Cems cxovrebaSi moxda. sabas gaCenis dRidan sikvdilis aRar meSinia, Cven sikvdili movkaliT.
– dakargulia dRe, romelSic ar arsebobs. . .
– ar SemiZlia mark tvens ar daveTanxmo, yoveli dRe iumoris gareSe dakarguli dReao, ambobda, mec ase vfiqrob. davZen, Tu adamians ar aqvs iumori, miWirs masTan urTierToba. iumori aris pirveli da umartivesi sakomunikacio saSualeba or axalgacnobil individs Soris.
– is, rac yvelaze metad gsurT.
– sulis, ojaxis, axlobeli adamianebis, kuTxis, qveynis da dedamiwis simSvide. mSvidoba minda iyos yvelaze metad, mSvidoba da mxolod mSvidoba!
– sevda, romelic arasdros gtovebT. . .
– `mxolod imitom vcocxlobT, rom sikvdilis Semdeg gadavrCeT~. . . monatrebis sevda im adamianebisa, romlebic miyvarda, miyvars, gulSi myvanan, TumcaRa, dRes fizikurad aRar arseboben. sul mefiqreba maTze, netav rogor, ranairad, sad arian da Tu Sevxvdebi odesme?
– rogoria namdvili poezia?
– namdvili poezia gadarCenili poeziaa. dRes TiTqos modaSi Semovida wera da bevri SeeWida kalams, albaT, xedavT, rom savsea socqselebi da saitebi ama Tu im leqsebiT, amaSi araferia cudi, magram zRvari yovelTvis arsebobs. namdvili poezia rCeba da dro yvelaze kargi Semfasebelia. yvelasTvis cnobili faqtia, saqarTveloSi sicocxleSi naklebad modis is dideba da aRiareba, romelsac imsaxureb, Tumca sjobs gvian, vidre arasdros. ase rom, namdvili poezia gadarCenili poeziaa.
– wlebis Semdeg minda, rom Cems poeziaze Tqvan. . .
– Cems poeziaze wlebis Semdeg Tu rames ityvian, sakmarisi iqneba. ar aqvs didi mniSvneloba – ras. . e.i. xom viyavi, varsebobdi, vwerdi, mtkioda, miyvarda da. . . gamixsenes. . . rogorc tician tabiZe ityoda:
`aqedan vici, me rom movkvdebi,
am leqss rom vambob, esec darCeba,
erT poets mainc gulze moxvdeba
da es eyofa gamosarClebad~.
