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arasamTavrobo organizacia axalgazrda mecnierTa kavSiri `inteleqti~ jer kidev gasuli saukunis 90-iani wlebis bolos gaCnda baTumSi da momdevno saukunis dasawyisSi sakmaod popularuli gaxda sazogadoebis farTo wreebSi Tavisi aqtiurobiTa da zedized ganxorcielebuli mniSvnelovani proeqtebiT
ras warmoadgens am etapze es arasamTavrobo organizacia da ra poziciebi uWiravs regionisa da qveynis cxovrebaSi, amaze da sxva sakiTxebze saubrobs CvenTan interviuSi kavSiris gamgeobis Tavmjdomare levan gobaZe.
– 1998 wlidan vaxorcielebT proeqtebs. axla ukve vsaqmianobT rogorc aWaris, ise guriis regionSi. gvaqvs sami strategiuli mimarTuleba: municipaluri teritoriebis socialur-ekonomikuri ganviTarebis xelSewyoba, adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis organoebis institucionaluri ganviTareba da samoqalaqo sazogadoebis ganviTareba. pirveli gulisxmobs nebismieri saxis saqmianobas, romelic ama Tu im konkretuli municipalitetis socialur-ekonomikur ganviTarebas uwyobs xels. am mimarTulebis farglebSi ramdenime proeqti ganvaxorcieleT. SevimuSaveT aWaris xuTive municipalitetisTvis grZelvadiani da municipaluri ganviTarebis marketinguli gegmebi. amas daemata soflis ganviTarebis piloturi programebi (xulos municipalitetSi) da sxva, ufro mcire, magram aranakleb mniSvnelovani proeqtebi.
– Tqven afinansebT proeqtebs Tu donor organizaciebs mimarTavT?
– Cven vafinansebT, Tumca zogjer donorebsac mivmarTavT. rac Seexeba am programebis dakonkretebas, Tu daviwyebT adreuli periodidan, gavixseneb 2001 wels. iciT, ra umZimesi situacia iyo maSin qveyanaSi. biujetebi praqtikulad arc arsebobda, maTSi akumulirebul Tanxebs hqonda simboluri xasiaTi da aranair infrastruqturul proeqtebs ar hyofnida. swored im dros movizideT donorebi da daviwyeT soflebSi im obieqtebis reabilitacia, romelTac mosaxleoba Tvlida yvelaze mniSvnelovnad. es iyo skolebi, sabavSvo baRebi, kulturis centrebi, gzebi, ambulatoriebi. sofel qobuleTSi safexmavlo xidic ki aRvadgineT. piradad am proeqtebs ar vaxorcielebdiT. vatarebdiT kvlevebs, gamokiTxvebs. problemis gamokveTis Semdeg vayalibebdiT sainiciativo jgufebs, romlebsac iuridiulad varegistrirebdiT saTemo kavSirebSi da daaxloebiT 6-7 aTasi aSS dolaris ekvivalents larSi gadavcemdiT am soflebs. maSin es sakmaod didi Tanxa iyo. marTalia, yvelafers ar yofnida, magram bevr karg saqmes vakeTebdiT. am tipis proeqtebi wertilovnad daviwyeT, Semdeg gadavediT ufro farTomasStabian proeqtebze, strategiul midgomebze, ris Sedegadac pirvelad SemuSavda municipalitetebis socialur-ekonomikuri ganviTarebis grZelvadiani gegmebi, rac jer kidev 2012-Si davasruleT, magram politikuri cvlilebebis gamo gamgeobebma ver daamtkices. es gegmebi dResac samagido wignad rCeba, romliTac sargebloben saerTaSoriso donori organizaciebi da aWaris municipalitetebSi sxvadasxva proeqts axorcieleben.
– rac Seexeba adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis organoebis institucionalur ganviTarebas. . .
– meore mimarTuleba Zalian seriozuli sakiTxia, radgan axalia Cveni qveynisTvis. reforma am kuTxiT 2006 wels ganxorcielda, roca kanonmdebloba Seicvala, romelic kidev ufro daixvewa 2014-Si. amis miuxedavad, jer Zlieri instituti ar aris Camoyalibebuli, amitomac vcdilobT, xeli SevuwyoT adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobebis institucionalur ganviTarebas. am mimarTulebis farglebSi vaxorcielebT swavlebas. kerZod, TviTmmarTvelobebis organoebis TanamSromlebisTvis vatarebT treningebs. gansakuTrebuli aqcenti keTdeba sabiujeto dagegmvis Tu sxva sakiTxebze. vikvlevT mosaxleobis saWiroebebs, problemebs da vuTiTebT Cinovnikebs, rogor unda asaxon es biujetSi. yoveli TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis win vatarebT treningebs sakrebulos wevrobis kandidatebisTvis. vuxsniT maT, sakrebulos kodeqsis mixedviT, raSi gamoixateba sakrebulos wevris ufleba-movaleobebi da ras niSnavs am Tanamdebobis dakaveba rogorc misTvis, ise mosaxleobisTvis. ganvumartavT, rogor SeimuSaon winasaarCevno programebi, rogor waradginon mimarTvis teqsti, rogor Sexvdnen amomrCevlebs da a.S. mosaxleobaSic vatarebT am kuTxiT sainformacio-saganmanaTleblo Sexvedrebs, magram es cota sxva strategiis farglebSia. plus amas, baTumisa da xelvaCauris garda, aWaris yvela municipalitetSi SevqmeniT mosaxleobis da biznesis momsaxurebis centrebi, romlebic aRvWurveT Tanamedrove teqnikiT, axali saofise avejiTa da sxva inventariT. CamovayalibeT momsaxurebis reglamentebi yvela municipalitetisTvis, ris safuZvelzec unda moxdes municipaluri momsaxurebis gaweva. garda amisa, SevimuSaveT programa, romlis farglebSic SevZeliT administraciul erTeulebSi meriis warmomadgenlebis ofisebis garemonteba da Tanamedrove teqnikiT aRWurva. amiT mosaxleobas miveciT yvela sakiTxze pasuxis uSualod sakuTar TemSi miRebis saSualeba, risTvisac adre centrSi Casvla da rigSi dgoma uwevda. kidev bevri sxva wvrili aqtivoba ganvaxorcieleT, romelic am TviTmmarTvelobebis institucionalur ganviTarebas uwyobs xels.
– rogorc vici, migrantebsac exmarebodiT?
– es proeqti 2015-2017 wlebSi daviwyeT. igi ucxoeTidan dabrunebul da ekomigrantebs exeboda. am programis farglebSi vexmarebodiT maT rogorc ekonomikurad, ise janmrTelobis mosawesrigeblad Tanxis gamoyofiT. vukeTebdiT yvelafers, raTa samSobloSi deportiT dabrunebulebs cxovrebis Rirseuli pirobebi hqonodaT. vufinansebdiT mcire biznesebs, swavlebas rame profesiis asaTviseblad an kvalifikaciis asamaRleblad, raTa SeZlebodaT romelime firmasa Tu saxelmwifo uwyebaSi muSaoba. 2017 wels es didi programa davasruleT, magram saxelmwifos xelSewyobiT 2018-2019 wlebSic gavagrZeleT, Tumca ukve mxolod ucxoeTidan deportirebulebs an TavisiT dabrunebulebs vafinansebT.
– rogorc axalgazrda mecnierTa kavSiri, riT uwyobT xels axalgazrda mecnierebs?
– Cveni organizaciis strategiaSi mecnierebis xelSewyoba Cadebuli ar gvaqvs. jer kidev 1998 wels, roca organizacias vqmnidiT, gaTvlili gvqonda, rom gaverTianebuliyaviT maRalkvalificirebuli inteleqtualebi, visac gvqonda pretenzia da codnis resursi, raTa realuri ram gagvekeTebina qveynisa da regionisTvis, erTi nabijiT mainc rom wavweuliyaviT win, ekonomikuri ganviTarebisken. rac Seexeba mecnierebis ganviTarebas, es mimarTuleba universitetebs aqvT, amasTan saxelmwifos gaaCnia sxvadasxva programa, romlis farglebSic grantebiT afinansebs mecnierebis sxvadasxva sferos. amasTan dakavSirebiT Cemi mosazreba gamaCnia. unda gamoiyos prioritetuli mimarTulebebi da yuradReba dauTmon iseT proeqtebs, romelic mecnierebis gamoyenebiTi dargebis ganviTarebas iTvaliswinebs. vgulisxmob im dargebs, romlis praqtikaSi danergva da komercializacia SedarebiT advilia. am kuTxiT momyavs safrangeTis magaliTi meore msoflio omis Semdeg, rodesac de golma ganacxada, – Cven ar gagvaCnia fundamenturi mecnierebebis dafinansebis fufuneba, unda davafinansoT iseTi gamoyenebiTi dargebi, romelic safrangeTs miscems swrafi ganviTarebis saSualebaso. zusti perifrazireba iqneb ver movaxerxe, magram cxadia, gamigebT, risi Tqmac minda. dRes safrangeTi erT-erTi yvelaze ganviTarebuli qveyanaa.
– Tqven axorcielebT internet-platformas `drois banki~. ras gulisxmobs igi?
– es Zalian saintereso platformaa, romelic Cveni partnioris iniciativiT, misi uSualo CarTulobiT gadmoqarTulda da ukve xelmisawvdomia Cveni mosaxleobisTvis. warmoidgineT adamianebi, romlebsac esaWiroebaT daxmareba da isini, romelTac xelewifebaT es daxmareba, pouloben erTmaneTs internetis saSualebiT da dgeba erTgvari, ase vTqvaT, madlobis gamomxatveli sistema. cxadia, aq saubaria qvelmoqmedebaze, Tundac sakuTari ezos keeTilmowyobaze, moxucis movlaze da a.S. anu internetis saSualebiT Seqmnili platformiT aseTi adamianebi pouloben erTmaneTs. aq aranairi SezRudva ar arsebobs. magaliTad, Cven gvWirdeboda saqvelmoqmedo internetsaitis Seqmna. samwuxarod, Zviri dagvifases, amitom `drois bankis~ saerTaSoriso segmentSi davdeT Txovna, dagvxmarebodnen arakomerciuli saitis SeqmnaSi. Cvenda gasakvirad, indoeli programisti gamogvexmaura da madloba aqeT gadagvixada, rom keTili saqmis ganxorcielebis saSualeba miveciT. Cveni mizania `drois bankis~ popularizacia, amitom davdivarT skolebSi, universitetebSi, organizaciebSi da vuyvebiT damswreT, rogor daregistrirdnen am platformaze da ra gziT SeiZleba sakmaod didi saqmeebis keTeba urTierTdaxmarebis safuZvelze.
– satelevizio kampania `es qveyana Senia~ ras iTvaliswinebda?
– es kampaniac partniorebma dagegmes da Cven CagvrTes. misi mizania mosaxleobaSi qveynis marTvis survilisa da interesis gaCena. moqalaqeebs vuxsniT, rom nebismieri saxelmwifoebrivi Tu adgilobrivi mniSvnelobis gadawyvetileba Cinovnikebma aucileblad xalxTan konsultaciisa da SeTanxmebis safuZvelze unda miiRon. es qveyana marTlac Cvenia da Tu ar CaverTvebiT misi marTvis procesebSi, arc demokratia Camoyalibdeba da konstituciaSi arsebuli Canaweri – Zalaufleba ekuTvnis xalxs, dakargavs mniSvnelobas, darCeba formalobad.
– rogoria Tqveni gadasaxedidan qveyanaSi demokratiis xarisxi?
– demokratiis zemodan danergva SeuZlebelia. demokratiis xarisxi maRalia mxolod im qveynebSi, sadac yoveli moqalaqe aris demokratiuli Rirebulebebis matarebeli. demokratiis arss veravis aswavli, igi Cveni azrovnebis, mentalobis nawili, Sinagani moTxovnileba unda gaxdes. swored amitom vamaxvilebT yuradRebas saxelmwifos marTvaSi xalxis CarTvaze. ar SeiZleba qveynis demokratia mivandoT mxolod deputatebs, romlebic avirCieT. TiToeuli moqalaqis yoveldRiuri sazrunavi unda gaxdes demokratiuli procesebis uwyveti mimdinareoba.
– mainc ra aris amisTvis saWiro, ra unda akeTon rigiTma moqalaqeebma?
– Tavad unda CamovayaliboT aqtiuri samoqalaqo sazogadoeba, anu unda Seiqmnas adamianTa jgufebi, romlebsac gaaCniaT sakuTari Tvalsazrisi nebismier mimdinare procesze da ar eSiniaT da eridebaT am azris xmamaRla warmoTqma, dafiqsireba.
– yvelaze mniSvnelovan problemad ra migaCniaT Cvens sazogadoebaSi?
– aucilebelia qveynis socialur-ekonomikuri ganviTareba, radgan imis miuxedavad, rom Zalian did yuradRebas uTmobs xelisufleba am sferos, mainc ver gavediT stabilur doneze. siRaribe Zalian mZimed awevs Tavad saxelmwifos da yvela moqalaqes. siRaribe is faqtoria, romelic ar aZlevs qveyanas ganviTarebis saSualebas. amitom mivediT im daskvnamde, rom upirvelesia mosaxleobis profesiuli unar-Cvevebis, kvalifikaciis amaRleba. es aris erT-erTi gadamwyveti faqtori, romelic uzrunvelyofs adamianebis dasaqmebas, risi meSveobiTac SeZleben Semosavlis miRebas da ar ifiqreben mxolod lukmapuris povnaze. nobeliatma abraham masloum jer kidev 1942 wels warmoadgina naSromi `adamianuri motivaciis Teoria~. mis moTxovnilebaTa ierarqias piramidis forma aqvs, sadac ZiriTadi moTxovnilebebi mis ZirSia moqceuli. pirvel or moTxovnilebas maslou uwodebs pirvelad moTxovnilebebs, xolo mesamedan isini SeZenili saxisaa. adamians ufro maRali moTxovnileba maSin uCndeba, rodesac masze dabali safexuriT maincaa dakmayofilebuli. sxvaTa Soris, masloum moTxovnilebaTa 5 klasi gamohyo: fiziologiuri; usafrTxoeba; socialuri (megobroba, TanamSromloba, siyvaruli, mikuTvnebuloba); dafaseba; TviTrealizacia. mecnieris kvleviT, Tuki moTxovnileba dakmayofilebulia, igi motivatori aRar aris da yuradReba ierarqiis Semdeg doneze inacvlebs. anu adamianebi pirvel moTxovnilebas – lukmapuris Sovnis safiqrals unda gascdnen, raTa dainteresdnen qveynis marTvaSi monawileobiTa da misi ganviTarebiT. jer es sakiTxi unda mowesrigdes saxelmwifoSi da mxolod Semdeg SevZlebT maRal Rirebulebebze realurad gasvlas, qveyanaSi ekonomikis, mecnierebis, demokratiis da xelovnebis ganviTarebas. saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi ar unda iyvnen orientirebulebi imaze, rom xelisufalT sTxovdnen: `maWame, masvi, Camacvi, xelfasi Tu pensia momimate~ da a.S. marTvaSi Tavad unda CaerTon moqalaqeebi da Tavad daayenon qveyana socialur-ekonomikuri ganviTarebis gzaze. xelisuflebam ki ar unda marTos xalxi, xalxma unda marTos xelisufleba.
– gegmebze ras gvetyviT?
– zemoTqmulidan gamomdinare, samomavlod vgegmavT SevimuSaoT iseTi proeqtebi, romlebic masobrivad CarTavs mosaxleobas swavlasa da sxvadasxva profesiis dauflebaSi. gvinda soflis meurneobis ganviTarebis modelebzec vifiqroT, radgan kidevaa emigracia, mosaxleobis Semosavali ar izrdeba. gamodis, is uzarmazari fuli, romelic am sferoSi mTavrobam Cado, ukugebis gareSe darCa.
