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ganaTlebaSi milionebis Cadebis dapirebiT mosuli ministri mixeil batiaSvili mxolod weliwad-naxevari darCa postze da winamorbedebiviT ise gadadga, mniSvnelovani araferi moumizezebia. marTalia, cota xniT adre iTqva, midis, radgan mTavrobam ver SeZlo pedagogebis mimarT danapirebis asrulebao, magram gadadgomis oficialur mizezad ganaTlebis ministrs araferi dausaxelebia, mxolod is ganacxada, rom arsad midis da saqarTveloSi rCeba
eqspertebis SefasebebiT, batiaSvilis damsaxureba solidurad ver gamoiyureba, radgan saministroebis gaerTianebiT uzarmazari monstris Seqmnis garda, realuri araferi gaukeTebia. cxadia, aravin iviwyebs mis mier pensioneri da gamocdaCaubarebeli pensionerebis saxlSi mSvidobian gaSvebas, Tumca rogorc mTavrobis kuluarebSi amboben, xelisufleba arc amiTaa didad kmayofili. marTalia, jildoze gasulma pedagogebma winaswar 2 wlis xelfasi aiRes, magram es maT arc xelisuflebisadmi madlier adamianebad aqcevs da arc uzrunvelyofilad. calkeul adgilebze ki sulac pedagogTa deficiti warmoiqmna. swored amitom mTavroba iZulebuli gaxda, xelaxali gamocdebi daeSva. sxvaTa Soris, es procesi swored axla – noemberSi mimdinareobs. cxadia, aravis unda jildoze gasvla da saxlSi dajdoma, radgan aRebuli fuli, romelic arcTu did Tanxas Seadgens dabali xelfasebis gamo, sul raRac erT-or saaTSi aRar eqnebaT Rvawlmosil pedagogebs, romelTa umravlesoba sabanko kreditebiT isea gadatvirTuli, rom normalurad kvebis fulic ar rCeba.
batiaSvilis mcdelobebs opozicioneri deputati roman gociriZe mokled axasiaTebs: `mis Tavze damokles maxviliviT ekida zugdidis #№6 sajaro skolis direqtoris ia kerzaias sikvdili saprezidento arCevnebis win~. rogorc opoziciaSi amboben, saministrom kerzaias, romelmac salome zurabiSvilis sasargeblod muSaobaze uari Tqva, auditi gaugzavna da darRvevebic aRmouCina. oficialuri cnobiT, am dReebSi strasburgis adamianis uflebaTa sasamarTlom kerzaias ojaxis sarCeli miiRo da didi albaTobiT, dasaSvebadac cnobs. Tumca aravin fiqrobs, rom ministris gadadgoma am faqtma gamoiwvia. ukve didi xania mimdinareobs saubari – kulturis, ganaTlebis, sportis, xelovnebis, mecnierebis da a.S. erT saministroSi gaerTianebam ar gaamarTla da is isev, sul cota, or nawilad mainc unda gaiyos. am yvelafers isev sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebi sWirdeba, rac orTviani procesi maincaa.
principSi, anazRaurebis fantastikuri zrdis molodinSi gulgawvrilebul pedagogebs mTlad uimedo viTareba ar unda hqondeT, radgan guluxvi ministris gadadgomis miuxedavad, `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebis gancxadebiT, ganaTlebis biujetis da maswavlebelTa xelfasebis zrdiT xelisufleba seriozuladaa dainteresebuli. sazogadoebis pozitiur ganwyobasTan erTad, mTavroba aSkarad cdilobs am sferoSi mdgomareobis gaumjobesebas. faqtia, rom saqarTvelos ganaTlebis sistema yvela saerTaSoriso reitingSi erT-erT bolo adgilzea da gatarebuli mravali reformis miuxedavad, situaciis radikalurad Secvla veravin moaxerxa.
rac Seexeba `guluxv ministrs~, sazogadoebas davamSvidebT, rom bolo informaciiT, is saqmianobas erT-erT solidur saerTaSoriso organizaciaSi gaagrZelebs, ganaTlebis sistemaSi ki reformebi gagrZeldeba.
ras fiqroben batiaSvilis gadadgomaze, mimdinare reformasa da am sferoSi gasatarebel aucilebel RonisZiebebze, gvesaubrebian baTumis saxelmwifo universitetis asocirebuli profesori giorgi masalkini da aWaris umaRlesi sabWos ganaTlebis, mecnierebis, kulturisa da sportis sakiTxTa komitetis Tavmjdomare lado mgalobliSvili.
giorgi masalkini Tvlis, rom `es ukve emsgavseba absurdis Teatrs, radgan sfero, romelic unda iyos strategiulad yvelaze gaTvlili da romelSic yvelaze didi investiciebi unda Caidos, ise airia, rom veRaravin verafers uxerxebs~.
– ratom TvliT, rom swored am sferoSi unda Caidos yvelaze meti investicia?
– imitom, rom Cvens qveyanas arc navTobi aqvs, arc gazi, arc teritoriebi. . . isRa dagvrCa, Cveni inteleqtiT da novaciebiT davikavoT niSa msoflioSi. swored amitom sWirdeba am sferos gansakuTrebuli midgoma, Cven ki lamis yovel wels gvicvlian ministrebs. ratom modian, ar viciT, ratom midian – arc is. Tavad mixeil batiaSvili akademiur wreebSi, romelsac warmovadgen, iyo absoluturad ucnobi pirovneba, erTi kerZo, patara universitetis reqtori. mas arasodes hqonia raRac konceptualuri xedva, ar daufiqsirebia aranairi gamosvla, ar gamouqveynebia romelime mniSvnelovani statia. . . araferi! ratom moiyvanes da ratom gauSves batiaSvili, veravin gaigo. yvelaferi es, simarTle giTxraT, Zalian pesimistur ganwyobaze gvayenebs, radgan ganaTlebis sistema marTlac moiTxovs gansakuTrebul yuradRebas, rogorc adamianuri, ise materialuri resursiT Sevsebas.
– batiaSvili movida ambiciuri reformis gatarebis surviliT, romelmac imedi gauCina am sferos warmomadgenlebs. mainc vin unda Caudges, Tqveni azriT, sistemas saTaveSi?
– adamiani, romelsac gaaCnia am sistemis ganviTarebis konceptualuri xedva. rac Seexeba Tavad batiaSvils, ambiciebi marTlac didi hqonda, magram ra gaakeTa, riTi daamaxsovrdeba igi sazogadoebas? misi ucnauri metyvelebiTa da didi skandaliT arCevnebis dros, rodesac SemoakvdaT skolis direqtori ia kerzaia. rac Seexeba Tavad batiaSvils, arc ki mecodeba aseTi `tipaJebi~. ukve iseTi droa, rodesac modixar amxela postze, unda icode, risTvis modixar, ris gakeTebas SeZleb, an rom midixar, imis vaJkacoba mainc unda geyos, Tqva, ratom midixar.
– xom gaJRerda oficialurad, sakuTari surviliTo. . .
– rogorc me ar var axla CineTis imperatori, ise eg ar gadamdgara sakuTari surviliT, xom gasagebia, ara?! iseve, rogorc premieri baxtaZe wavida da verafriT daamaxsovrda mosaxleobas garda isev iseTi gaugebari laparakisa. arc batiaSvils gaixsenebs didad vinme am sferoSi. arc adre icnobdnen da arc Semdeg axseneben raime konteqstSi, darwmunebuli var.
– rogor afasebT gamocdaCaubarebeli pedagogebis jildoze gaSvebas?
– es procesi ufro kompleqsur Sefasebas iTxovs. erTi mxriv, dadebiTi momenti iyo, meore mxriv ki. . . yvelam viciT, ra duxWiri ekonomikuri mdgomareobaa qveyanaSi. sakmaod mcire Tanxa ergoT am adamianebs. darwmunebuli var, erTeulebis garda, yvelam valebi gadaixada, ipoTeka Tu sabanko kreditebi gadafara da darCnen mcire pensiis anabara.
– saministroebis gaerTianebamac ver gamoiwvia optimizaciiT gaTvlili pozitiuri Sedegebi?
– batiaSvils aravin ekiTxeboda saministroebis gaerTianebas, ase rom, mas piradad verafers davabraleb, magram am ori sistemis erTianoba warmoudgenelia. mimaCnia, rom kultura calke unda iyos da ganaTleba – calke. maTi Serwyma ar xdeba. es yvelaze didi saministro gamodis uzarmazari StatebiTa da mouqneli administraciiT. cxadia, erT-erTi moadgile kurirebs kulturas, meore – ganaTlebas, magram Cveni ierarqiuli sistemiT da vertikaluri azrovnebiT mivdivarT iqamde, rom yvelaferi mainc damokidebulia ministrze. ar SeiZleba erTi pirovneba gansazRvravdes am ori, absoluturad gansxvavebuli sferos Zireul saqmianobas da politikas. an erT mxares eqneba xarvezebi, an meores.
– am postze maia miminoSvilis daniSvnas prognozireben. . .
– diax, ase amboben, magram me, rogorc am sferoSi moRvawes, mWirdeba axleburad, konceptualurad moazrovne xelmZRvaneli da ara sistemaSi `moxarSuli~ Zveli kadri, romelic realurad verafris Secvlas ver moaxerxebs, radgan Camoyalibebuli kliSeebiTa da StampebiT azrovnebs.
– albaT, gifiqriaT, ra aris Zireulad Sesacvleli am sistemaSi?
– bunebrivia, mifiqria. pirvel yovlisa, unda mivideT iqamde, rom skolis atestats hqondes realuri Rirebuleba. aseve, erovnuli gamocdebis sistema ukve moiTxovs cvlilebebs. ar SeiZleba abiturienti werdes moTxovnebSi 7-8 universitets da merveSi xvdebodes, romelic, ubralod, ujrebis Sesavsebad Cawera. Sedegad vRebulobT adamianebs, romlebic ver ergebian profesiebs an studentebs, romlebic cdiloben sxva fakultetebze gadasvlas. arsebobs ukve aprobirebuli sistema: bavSvi skolas amTavrebs, atestatis mixedviT agzavnis portfolios sxvadasxva universitetSi da isini Rebuloben gadawyvetilebas, miiRon Tu ara es konkretuli piri. aseve, mniSvnelovnad mimaCnia, rom ar unda iyos Cemi xelfasi mibmuli studentebis raodenobaze. es xels ar uwyobs swavlebis donis awevas. me ar unda meSinodes studentisTvis cudi niSnis dawera an sulac, garicxva. xelfasebmac daiklo Cvens sistemaSi arsebuli inflaciis fonze. aseve minda vTqva, rom Zalian bevri formaloba igrZnoba am sistemaSi. me ar var ucxoeTis gamocdilebis winaaRmdegi, magram Tu gadmogaqvs, unda gaiTvaliswino adgilobrivi viTareba ramdenad Seesabameba Cvens kulturas Tu materialur mdgomareobas.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– Zalian gavrcelebul amerikuli Sefasebis testur sistemas. amis gamo Cveni bavSvebi ver swavloben laparaks da weras. Semoxazaven rgolebs da amis safuZvelze Rebuloben wvdomas qveynis universitetebSi. gasaZlierebelia universitetebis avtonomiebi, rac xels Seuwyobs Cveni konkurentunarianobis amaRlebas saerTaSoriso bazarze. aris kidev bevri sxva sakiTxi gadasaWreli da gansaxilveli, romlebsac erT interviuSi ver amovwuravT, magram faqti faqtad rCeba – saqarTvelos ganaTlebis sistema mudmiv kriziss ganicdis, romelic erTxel da samudamod unda dasruldes.
deputati lado mgalobliSvili ver asaxelebs mizezs, Tu ratom gauSva mmarTvelma partiam reformis msvlelobis dros sakmaod aJitirebuli ministri. umaRlesi sabWos deputati aJRerebs oficialur versias, rom batiaSvili gadadga sakuTari surviliT, xolo ratom gauCnda ministrs `es survili~, ar icis. misi gancxadebiT: `moulodneli gadadgomis miuxedavad, vTvli, rom mixeil batiaSvili bolo wlebSi erT-erTi warmatebuli ministri gaxldaT~.
– rac Seexeba gatarebul reformas, ras TvliT mis sust da Zlier mxareebad?
– reforma jer kidev mimdinareobs, ar dasrulebula, amitom rTulia isaubro mis Zlier da sust mxareebze, Tumca pozitivad SeiZleba CavTvaloT pensionerebis damsaxurebulad gacileba skolebidan, rac axali kadrebis miRebis SesaZleblobas miscems sistemas. arc is daiviwyoT, rom bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi maswavleblebis xelfasebi sagrZnobladaa gazrdili. tendencia iqiTkenaa mimarTuli, rom maTi anazRaureba kidev ufro gaizardos, rac miizidavs profesional kadrebs ganaTlebaSi.
– rac Seexeba pedagogebis deficits, romelic am reformis fonze warmoiqmna?
– did qalaqebSi da saerTod, ZiriTad dasaxlebebSi msgavsi deficiti ar warmoqmnila, xolo iq, sadac pedagogTa naklebobaa, saqarTvelos mTavrobasac da aWaris regionalur saministrosac gaaCnia programa, romelic damatebiTi anazRaurebiT daainteresebs da miizidavs pedagogebs mTis soflebSi, swored iq, sadac maswavlebelTa naklebobaa.
– rogor afasebT ori didi saministros gaerTianebas?
– aq orad aris azri gayofili. magaliTad, aWaraSi es ori uwyeba gaerTianebulia 2005 wlidan da aranairi sirTule ar warmoqmnila, magram centralur doneze Cveni kolegebi Tvlian, rom umjobesia, kulturis saministro calke gamoiyos.
– rac Seexeba xelfasebis matebas, ministris gadadgomasTan erTad es procesi xom ar Sewydeba?
– ara. premieris gancxadebiT, 2021-2022 wlebisTvis unda movaxerxoT, rom maswavlebelTa xelfasebma miaRwios 2000 lars, rac gaxdis skolas konkurentunarians da SevZlebT niWieri axalgazrdebis CarTvas momavali Taobis aRzrda-ganaTlebaSi.
