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TbilisSi saprotesto aqciebis axali talRa 14 noembridan daiwyo da grZeldeba regionebSi. mizezi sakonstitucio proeqtis Cagdeba gaxda, romelic 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis proporciuli sistemiT da nulovani barieriT Catarebas iTvaliswinebda.
sxdomaze registrirebuli 141 parlamentaridan kanonproeqts mxari 101-ma deputatma dauWira, mis misaRebad ki 113 xma iyo saWiro. es imas niSnavs, rom 2020 wlis arCevnebi Catardeba maJoritarul-proporciuli sistemiT da 3%-iani barieriT.
sakonstitucio cvlilebas mxars uWerdnen `nacionaluri moZraoba~ da `evropuli saqarTvelo~, cvlilebas ewinaaRmdegeboda `qarTuli ocnebis~ ramdenime deputati.
proporciuli saarCevno sistema iyo erT-erTi mTavari moTxovna, romelic moZraoba `sircxviliam~ wauyena xelisuflebas mas Semdeg, rac rusi deputatis sergei gavrilovis vizitis gamo aqciebi daiwyo. protestis mexuTe dRes mmarTvel gunds daTmobaze wasvla mouwia. partiis liderma biZina ivaniSvilma sazogadoebas amcno, rom 2020 wels arCevnebs proporciuli sistemiTa da nulovani barieriT Caatarebdnen.
40-ve deputati, vinc kanonproeqts mxari ar dauWira, `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevria, Tumca qobuleTis maJoritari deputati saqarTvelos parlamentSi koba nakaiZe ambobs, rom proporciuli arCevnebis momxrea da Tavisi pozicia plenarul sxdomaze kenWisyris dros daafiqsira kidec.
parlamentari dRes gazeT `aWaris~ stumaria da gvesaubreba, oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi risi gakeTeba SeZlo Tavisi amomrCevlisTvis da ra dapireba ver Seasrula.
– boqlomebis omi, karvebi da saprotesto aqciebi dRevandeli viTarebaa, romelic proporciuli arCevnebis sakiTxis Cavardnam gamoiwvia… batono koba, Tqven – me-9 mowvevis saqarTvelos parlametis maJoritari wevri, raSi xedavT gamosavals?
– saqarTvelos parlamentSi, mogexsenebaT, sul 73 maJoritaria da 77 proporciuli sistemiT arCeuli deputati. minda aRvniSno, rom 2012 wels swored Sereuli saarCevno sistemiT davamarcxeT yofili xelisufleba. ase rom, xmamaRla da Tamamad minda ganvacxado – mTavaria xalxis ndoba. gadawyvetileba xalxis moTxovnebidan gamomdinare unda miviRoT. rac Seexeba opoziciis demonstraciebs, aqciebs, quCaSi wignebis dawvas da saqarTveloSi yvelaze wminda – xatebisa da eklesiis Seuracxyofas, es metismetia. yvela, vinc msgavs saqciels sCadis da axalgazrdebs mouwodebs aseTi qmedebebisken, aris upasuxismgeblo da aucileblad unda daisajos ganurCevlad imisa, romel mxares idga. opoziciuri partiebis warmomadgenlebi da maTi mxardamWerebi fiqroben, rom xelisuflebas Tu mosvenebas ar miscemen, daTmobaze wava da vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebi dainiSneba proporciuli sistemiT. performansebis da saprotesto aqciebis Catarebas vurCevdi maT, gaixsenon is dro, rodesac saqarTvelos parlamentSi Sevida iniciativa, 2015-Si, aseve, 2017 wels Catarebuliyo proporciuli arCevnebi, Tumca maSin swored `nacionaluri moZraoba~ wavida am kanonproeqtis winaaRmdeg da boikoti gamoacxada. maT darCeniaT revolucia da destruqcia, ician, rom Sansi ar aqvT arCevnebis mogebis. sjobs imuSaon, moemzadon proporciuli arCevnebisTvis da daanaxon qveyanas, xalxs TavianTi SesaZleblobebi. Cemi xedva ufro Sors midis da, vfiqrob, realuri da misaRebia – minda saqarTveloSi gamoCndes mesame Zala, romlis faseuloba iqneba, upirveles yovlisa, qveynis siyvaruli, rwmenis, eklesiis, qarTuli tradiciebis pativiscema, Zala, romelsac eqneba sufTa xelebi da sufTa warsuli. dRes politikaSi, samwuxarod, bevrs ver davasaxelebT, visac sufTa warsuli aqvs. Aarada, arian qveyanaSi profesionali, saqmis moyvaruli adamianebi. konkretikisgan Tavs Sevikaveb, magram aseTebi arseboben. vfiqrob, gamosavali civilurad, diplomatiiT, dialogis gziT saboloo Sedegze SeTanxmebaa.
– Tumca Sexvedra da dialogi uSedegod dasrulda. . . yovel SemTxvevaSi, ase Tvlian opoziciis warmomadgenlebi. . .
– `qarTuli ocnebisa~ da opoziciuri partiebis warmomadgenlebis Sexvedras, romelic 30 noembers gaimarTa, diplomatiuri misiebis warmomadgenlebic eswrebodnen. samwuxarod, ver SeTanxmdnen, Tumca Zalian bevri varianti iyo ganxiluli. Aaseve, cnobilia isic, rom mxareebi SeTanxmdnen dialogis da msjelobis gagrZelebaze.
– mmarTveli gundi acxadebs, rom `germanuli modeli~ konstitucias ewinaaRmdegeba, magram modificirebuli qarTuli variantic xom arsebobs?
– ki, asea, germanuli saarCevno modeli namdvilad ewinaaRmdegeba moqmed konstitucias, romelSic dadgenilia e.w. paraleluri kenWisyris sistema. es aris damoukidebeli saarCevno sistema. kerZod, konstituciaSi weria, rom 77 mandati nawildeba proporciuli wesiT, 73 ki maJoritaruli wesiT. germanuli sistema aris e.w. personalizebuli proporciuli sistema, sadac mandatebis ganawilebis wesi mTlianad proporciulia. germanuli modelis Tanaxmad, 150-ve mandati nawildeba proporciuli wesiT, ubralod, aqedan 73 personalurad mieniWeba im deputatebs, romlebic erTmandatian olqebSi gaimarjveben. 150-ve mandati nawildeba proporciuli wesiT, konstituciaSi ki 77 weria. 150 ar udris 77-s, rac kargad ician opoziciuri partiebis iuristebmac, magram, samwuxarod, isini atyueben sazogadoebas. germaniis saarCevno sistema amerikulisgan, britanulisa da Sveicariulisgan gansxvavebulia. yvelaze mniSvnelovani faqtori isaa, rom germaniaSi mmarTvelobis forma aris ara pirdapiri, aramed warmomadgenlobiTi. masSi centralur rols asruleben arCeuli deputatebi, romlebic xalxis nebis gamomxatvelebad miiCnevian. Sveicaria pirdapiri demokratiis yvelaze TvalsaCino magaliTia. am qveynis moqalaqeebi kanonebs parlaments miRma, referendumebzec iReben, germaniaSi ki sakanonmdeblo gadawyvetilebebi mxolod xalxis mier arCeuli deputatebis meSveobiT formdeba, rac niSnavs, rom pasuxismgeblobis mniSvnelovani wili swored deputatebze modis, anu sakonstitucio cvlilebebi gardauvalia Tu germanul models avirCevT.
– Tqven xarT im deputatTa siaSi, romlebsac gasuli 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi parlamentis sxdomaze sityviT gamosvlis uflebiT arc erTxel usargebliaT da arc sakanonmdeblo iniciativis ufleba gamouyenebiaT. . .
– piradad var 7 sakanonmdeblo iniciativis iniciatori saqarTvelos parlamentSi, magram rac Seexeba am siaSi Cems dasaxelebas, ase vityvi – Jurnalistebs yvelas did pativs gcemT, Tumca ar veTanxmebi. marTali giTxraT, keklucoba ar aris Cemi stili, arc arasodes gamomdioda. praqtikosi var, Cemi ZiriTadi samuSao komitetebSia, sadac mzaddeba kanonproeqtebi da iq wardgenil proeqtze rom gamovide da ganvacxado, `iciT ra, es Zalian kargi kanonproeqtia da mxars vuWer~, amis dafiqsireba da Tavis gamoCena sulac araaA saWiro televiziiT. yvelaze prioritetuladD da saamayod mimaCnia bolo kanonproeqti, romlis iniciatori gaxlavarT. es jandacvis sistemaSi Setanili regulaciebia, romelic iTvaliswinebs eqimebis da pacientis uflebebis kanoniT dacvas. mogexsenebaT, bolo wlebSi ra mdgomareoba iyo am kuTxiT, axla ki kanoniT daculia eqimis saqmianobac da pacientic. marixuanis dekriminalizaciis sakiTxis winaaRmdegi viyavi da yvela Rone vixmare, rom saqarTveloSi es ar dakanonebuliyo. dResac vambob, rom saqarTvelo ar aris marixuanis qveyana, Tumca Cveni miRebuli kanoni sakonstitucio sasamarTlom, Cvenda samwuxarod, Secvala. aseve kultivaciis winaaRmdegi viyavi. qveynis biujetisTvis es rac unda sasargeblo yofiliyo, vTvli, rom aseTi miliardebi Cvens qveyanas araTu ar sWirdeba, ar gamoadgeba. erT-erTi, CemTvis prestiJuli iniciativa, romlis iniciatori gaxlavarT, es aris is, rom rekreaciul zonebSi ar SeiZleba mSeneblobebis nebarTvebis gacema. Tqven msgavsad, ai, is Jurnalistebi rom dainteresebuliyvnen, ra proeqtebi da visi iniciatorobiT ganxorcielda, aucileblad vupasuxebdi da Cum deputatebs Soris ar aRmovCndebodi. . . aris bevri dausrulebeli proeqti, magram erT-erTi, romelic minda movaswro saparlamento mandatis amowurvamde, aris Zalian mniSvnelovani qobuleTisTvis da qobuleTelebisTvis, esaa mdinare aWyvas kalapotis reabilitacia. miuxedavad imisa, rom samjer Seicvala proeqti, samuSaoebi municipalitetis ganviTarebis fondma unda ganaxorcielos. aqtiurad vmuSaob da molaparakebebs vawarmoeb saqarTvelos infrastruqturis saministrosTan, xelisuflebasTan, aseve biujetis damtkicebis drosac aqtiurobiT gamovirCevi. amayi var imiT, rom dRes qobuleTSi, rogorc arasdros, sul ufro meti proeqti xorcieldeba. xarvezebi ki yvelgan arsebobs, umoqmedobaa uxarvezo. dabolos, gavixseneb 4 wlis win TqvenTvis mocemul intervius. me giTxariT, rom Sevecdebodi qobuleTSi soflis turizmis ganviTarebas. am kuTxiT kvlav Zalian bevri ram aris gasakeTebeli, magram rasac mivaRwieT, isic unda vaRiaroT. gzebi yvela sofelSia, bevr sofelSi turistul gasarTob obieqtebs uamravi vizitiori, ara marto ucxoeli, aramed adgilobrivi ewvia da isiamovna. erTaderTi, rac dasasrulebelia, es wylis problemaa zogierT sofelSi daA amasac germanuli proeqti KFW moagvarebs. amisaTvis germaniis mTavrobam Tanxebi gamogviyo, metic – gvaCuqa, ase rom, etapobrivad yvela sakiTxi gadawydeba qobuleTSi. imisaTvis, rom Cems Tanaqalaqelebs davexmaro da samSoblosTvis raime sasikeTo gavakeTo, ar aris aucilebeli parlamentaroba.
– batono koba, Tqven xarT is maJoritari deputati mmarTveli gundidan, romelic mxars uWerT proporciuli arCevnebis Catarebas, brZolis gareSe TmobT mandats. . . TvliT, rom yvela dapireba SeusruleT Tqvens amomrCevels, Tu aris, romlis mogvarebac ver SeZeliT?
– me var me-9 mowvevis saqarTvelos parlamentSi qobuleTis maJoritari deputati da vTvli, rom sikvdilamde ar unda viyo iq, metic, gavimeoreb, srulebiT ar aris saWiro iyo parlamentis wevri imisTvis, rom daexmaro da gverdSi daudge adamianebs. Cemi erT-erTi umTavresi dapireba amomrCevlis winaSe iyo is, rom nebismier viTarebaSi da mdgomareobaSi viqnebodi maT gverdiT da dRemde pirnaTlad vasruleb am dapirebas. am xnis ganmavlobaSi amomrCevelma icis, rom parlamentSi sesiaze var Tu qobuleTis biuroSi, telefoni arasodes gamiTiSavs, es Cveva jer kidev Cemi samedicino sferoSi muSaobidan Camomiyalibda. ar vpasuxob mxolod maSin, Tu parlamentSi gamosvla maqvs, magram Semdeg yvelas vukavSirdebi. rac Seexeba sxva dapirebebs, magaliTad, gzebis mowesrigeba, infrastruqturuli samuSaoebis Catareba, socialuri daxmareba, jandacvis sferoSi problemebis mogvareba – es is sakiTxebia, romlebic SeiZleba arasodes gamoilios, magram Tamamad vityvi, rom rac SesaZlebeli iyo, vagvarebdi Tundac sakuTari saxsrebiT da ZalebiT. maJoritari aris Suamavali rgoli xelisuflebas da mosaxleobas Soris. yvelaze mtkivneuli ipoTekiT dazaralebulebis sakiTxia. bevri maTgani Cvengan daxmarebas elis da ufleba ar maqvs, ar davudge maT gverdiT. me var saparlamento samuSao jgufis wevri. parlamentarebis garda am jgufSi gaerTianebuli arian sxvadasxva seqtoris warmomadgenlebi, sabanko asociacia, arasamTavrobo organizaciebi da intensiurad vmuSaobT, rom SevqmnaT qarTuli modeli evropuli praqtikis, rac gulisxmobs imas, rom bolo sacxovrisidan gamosaxleba ar moxdes. msgavs mdgomareobaSi myof adamianebs sanam ar eqnebaT alternatiuli sacxovrebeli farTi, gamosaxleba aekrZaleba saxelmwifos.
– dabolos, sad gaagrZelebT saqmianobas samaJoritaro mandatis amowurvis Semdeg?
– me viyavi da var mowodebiT eqimi, jandacvis menejeri. garda imisa, rom var pediatri da maqvs 10-wliani gamocdileba mTavari eqimis rangSi muSaobis, aseve maqvs jandacvis organizatoris sertifikati. saqarTvelos parlamentSi jandacvis komitetSi miRebul gamocdilebas movaxmar momaval saqmianobas da jandacvis ganviTarebisTvis gavagrZeleb muSaobas, CemTvis es yovelTvis iyo prioritetuli. ar minda, aRniSnuli sfero biznesad iqces, minda adamianebisTvis metad xelmisawvdomi iyos kvalificiuri da xarisxiani jandacva. puri mepurem unda gamoacxos, ase rom, Cemi profesia, sadac ar unda viyo, mavaldebulebs xalxis gverdiT yofnas.
– warmatebebs gisurvebT!
