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albaT, dameTanxmebiT, rom jadosnuri samyaros, zRapris gmirebis gareSe patarebis (da ara marto maTi) cxovreba ruxi, erTferovani da mosawyeni iqneboda. TiTqmis yvela bavSvs sjera, rom Tovlis babua arsebobs. mSoblebis nawili Tvlis, rom bavSvisTvis Tovlis babuis rwmena saswaulis rwmenas niSnavs, rac ulamazebs da uferadebs bavSvobis wlebs.
hoda, Cvenc, gazeTisTvis interviu baTumis Tojinebisa da mozard mayurebelTa profesiuli saxelmwifo Teatris msaxiobTan, sadResaswaulo centrebis animatorTan, wamyvanTan da TviT Tovlis babuasTan aleko gabaiZesTan CavwereT.
– aleko, ramdeni xania, rac Tovlis babuis amplua moirgeT?
– rodesac Tojinebis TeatrSi msaxiobad daviwye muSaoba, Cemi pirveli roli viTamaSe speqtaklSi `sinaTlis Citi~, romelic rezo bainaziSvilma dadga. Semdeg saaxalwlo speqtaklebi daidga, sadac Tovlis babua viyavi. mayureblebisgan wamovida daintereseba, Tovlis babua gamoZaxebiT xom ar hyavda Tojinebis Teatrs. gamiCnda idea da. . . ukve 7-8 welia, am mxrivac vmuSaob. winaswar mirekaven, vTanxmdebiT maTTvis sasurvel droze. 31 dekembers zogs 9-10 saaTze unda rom mivide, zogs – 12 saaTze. aris Zalian kargi ojaxi, romelic yovelTvis 12 saaTze miZaxebs da pirvel rigSi mas vukavSirdebi. aqedan gamomdinare, xSirad axal wels sxvis ojaxSi vxvdebi.
– gamoZaxebiT muSaobisas yvelaze metad ra gsiamovnebT?
– patarebTan Sexvedra. amas gulwrfelad vambob. maTTvis yvelaze gansakuTrebulia axali weli. mec aseTi viyavi bavSvobaSi. mSoblebi sul meubnebodnen, rom Tovlis babua naZvis xis qveS saCuqrebs damitovebda da diliT damxvdeboda. Cems warmosaxvaSi Tovlis babua yovelTvis virtualuri iyo, Tumca mjeroda, rom mainc arsebobda. rac ufro idumali iyo da ar Canda, miT ufro miyvarda. amitomac miyvars bavSvebis gulwrfeli emocia, roca rogorc Tovlis babuas, ise mxedaven. miyvars maTi Tbili damokidebuleba. miuxedavad imisa, rom Tovlis babuas warmosaxviT, ekraniT an suraTebiT icnoben, realobaSi SiSi uCndebaT da odnav distancias iWeren. undaT, rom Soridan vesaubro. mSoblebi eubnebian, midi Tovlis babuasTan, nu geSiniao. . . magram yovelTvis vaniSneb, rom ar daaZalon. mirCevnia, bavSvi Tavs komfortulad grZnobdes. am dros ufro Tbili xmiT vsaubrob, vcdilob ufro mzrunveli viyo. . . iseTi Tovlis babuas rols virgeb, rom bavSvs aqeT gauCndes daxmarebis da zrunvis survili. xan wels vitkieb (Tovlis babua xom moxucia), xan viTom sicivisgan kiseri miSeSdeba, an daRlili movdivar Sori gzidan. bavSvi am dros fiqrobs, Tu weli stkiva, ra unda damiSavoso. avtomaturad SiSi ekargebaT da adviladac ixsnebian. maqsimalurad vcdilob bavSvis fsiqologia gaviTvaliswino, moviqce ise, rogoc mas gauxardeba da esiamovneba… situaciis Sesabamisad vmoqmedeb.
– mainc, ra survilebiT mogmarTaven, ra uxariaT yvelaze metad patarebs?
– survilebi, ra Tqma unda, mravalferovania. zogs saTamaSo moswons, viRacas raRac cxovrebaSi aklia da imas iTxovs. Aaris SemTxvevebi, bavSvs deda ar hyavs da mis naxvas iTxovs. aseTi ram guls Zalian mtkens, radgan deda mec gardacvlili myavs da Cemi damokidebuleba, zogadad, dedisadmi gansakuTrebulia. roca aseT rames vigeb, vfiqrob, ra SeiZleba vuTxra bavSvs, romelsac deda gverdiT ar hyavs. . . vfiqrob, rogori siTboTi unda avuxsna, davajero, rom deda mas yovelTvis mfarvelobs. . . amas ara tragikulad, aramed mxiarulad vakeTeb, Tovlis babuisgan namdvili siTbo igrZnos, Cemgan ara marto saCuqrebi, sulieri daxmarebac miiRos.
– warmoidgendiT Tu ara, rom es saqme aseTi sapasuxismgeblo aRmoCndeboda?
– igivea, roca samsaxioboze vabarebdi da megona sul sxva garemoSi movxvdebodi, vidre realurad damxvda. wlebis ganmavlobaSi pedagogebis daxmarebiT giyalibdeba warmodgena arsebul profesiaze. igivea Tovlis babuis SemTxvevaSic. speqtaklSi TamaSis dros SemuSavebuli mqonda xasiaTi, Sesabamisad xmac, manerebic. Tovlis babuas personaJi unda Seqmna misi problemebiT, fizikuri aRnagobiT da a.S. ra Tqma unda, martivi ar aris. erT ojaxSi, sadac yovel weliwads davdivar, bavSvebi xasiaTiT mcnoben. mec rolSi Sevdivar: `bavSvebo, movedi, amodena gza gamoviare, xurjiniT bevri tkbileuli da saCuqrebi mogitaneT, modiT, Tqvenc momexmareT~. . . egreve morbian, xels mkideben, maTi Tvalebidan imdeni siTbo da siyvaruli iRvreba, rom vbednierdebi. mqonia SemTxveva, roca erT-erT bavSvs (biWs) Rvezelic ki gamoucxvia CemTvis sakuTari xeliT. mouzelia comi da. . . rogorc mSobelma miTxra, RumelTan ijda da elodeboda, rodis gamocxveboda, eSinoda, ar damwvariyo. . . iyo SemTxveva, roca tyupma dam suveniric – patara goWi maCuqa, SenTvis vayidineT mSoblebs, Cvengan samaxsovrod rom gqonodao. es saCuqari dRemde manqanaSi midevs. Svili ar myavs, myavs ZmisSvili, romelsac Zalian vanebivreb. wels misTvisac viyavi Tovlis babua, leqsic ar wamikiTxa, iseTi gaocebuli iyo. . . xmac Secvlili mqonda. sul distanciaze videqi masTan da ver micno. saTamaSo dainaxa, romelic Zalian undoda, momexvia da CemTan suraTic gadaiRo. meore dRes, roca vkiTxe, Tu movida masTan Tovlis babua, yvelafers detalurad momiyva.
– ra Sedis Tovlis babuis servisSi da ra Rirs es siamovneba?
– materialur mxareze saubari, roca gamoZaxebaze mirekaven, maSinac meuxerxuleba. gaWirvebul qveyanaSi vcxovrobT. amas viTvaliswineb da standartul fass vadgen. gaaCnia, teritoriulad sad da visTan mivdivar. . . mSoblebs winaswar vuTanxmdebi. erTi dRiT adre, an im dResve vakiTxav, bavSvebisTvis gankuTvnil saCuqrebs varTmev. patara qalaqSi vcxovrobT da yvelgan uamravi nacnobia. zogs saerTod ar varTmev fuls, oRond bavSvi gavaxaro. . . zogadad, Tu bavSvebi ar giyvars, maTi gansakuTrebuli, Tbili damokidebuleba Tu ar gaZlevs energias, am saqmes ver gaakeTeb.
– ratom unda sjerodeT bavSvebs Tovlis babuis arsebobis?
– imitom, rom swored es aris bavSvoba. swored maSin yvela zRapris gmiri realuri gvgonia. es etapi bavSvma aucileblad unda gaiaros, rom cxovrebis sxva etapebze gacilebiT mniSvnelovani da realuri raRacebi gaacnobieros. cxovrebis periodebi jaWvuri principiT viTardeba da bavSvmac es zRapruli samyaro, maT Soris Tovlis babuis rwmenac unda gamoscados. Aarc erT mSobels ar vurCev, rom bavSvs fsiqika dauzianos da es rwmena gauqarwylos, uTxras – me var Seni Tovlis babua, me giyidi saCuqrebso da a.S. es ar SeiZleba. arian mozrdili bavSvebi, romlebmac ki ician, rom realurad ar arsebobs Tovlis babua, magram roca masTan midis, mainc unda daijeros. es misi bavSvobis nostalgiaa. Tovlis babua bevr Tbil da sayvarel asociacias uRviZebs.
– Tu gqoniaT SemTxveva, roca bavSvs uCveulo TxovniT moumarTavs?
– erTi ukve zemoT aRvniSne, deda Tu mova CemTano. . . iyo aseTi kiTxvac – policieli Tu gamovalo. . . aseT dros Sesabamis darigebebs vaZlev xolme, im wams, eqspromtad movifiqreb. bavSvebTan urTierTobisas yvelafrisTvis unda iyo mzad. absoluturad yvela kiTxvaze unda gqondes pasuxi. xandaxan zrdasrul adamianebs ar uCndebaT iseTi kiTxva, rogoric bavSvebs. Zalian Wkviani Taoba modis da verafers gamoapareb.
– kuriozul momentebs Tu gaixsenebT?
– erT skolis moswavles surda saTamaSo, romelsac didi xnis ganmavlobaSi sTxovda Tovlis babuas. es iyo saWe pedlebiT da siCqareebiT, romelic televizorze erTdeboda. xurjinSi bevri saTamaSo mewyo, sanam misas mivagnebdi, misi Zmisgan replikebi mesmoda: `es Tovlis babua araa namdvili~, `erTi vnaxav, ras gaCuqebs~. . . am dros maqsimalurad vcdilobdi, rolidan ar gamovsuliyavi. yuradReba ar mimeqcia. – aba, axla leqsiT vin gamaxarebs? – vambob, Tan saCuqrebs vaTvaliereb. wamikiTxa leqsi, mec amoviRe misi kuTvnili saCuqari da gadaveci. am bavSvis reaqcia iyo saswauli. . . gaognebulma bavSvma jer saCuqars daxeda (namdvilad is xom ariso), Semdeg me gamomxeda da Zmas miubrunda, – xom veubnebodi am Cems debil klaselebs, Tovlis babua arsebobs-meTqi! – daiyvira, – genacvale, Tovlis babua! – momvarda, Camexuta da aRar miSvebda. ufro meti damajereblobisTvis, roca saxlidan gamovedi, kibeebs maRla avuyevi. sad midixarTo, – mSobelmac gakvirvebulma mkiTxa. – maRla, saxuravze irmebi melodebian, iqidan unda gavfrinde. . . bavSvebi Tu gamomyvebian, irmebi SeiZleba dafrTxnen da Cem gareSe gafrindnen, mere sxva bavSvebi saCuqrebis gareSe darCebian-meTqi. . . es yvelaferi eqspromtad movifiqre da imaTac uceb ukan daixies, Torem marTlac momyvebodnen. – kargi, kargi Tovlis babua, wadi. . . kocnebi gamomigzavnes da frTxilad kari miixures. es dRe arasodes damaviwydeba.
– Caanacvla Tu ara Tovlis papa santa klausma?
– qarTvelebs SesaniSnavi Tovlis papa gvyavs. Sesabamisi kostiumi rom mqondes, didi siamovnebiT movirgebdi tradiciuli Tovlis papis ampluasac. qarTveli Tovlis papa Zalian tkbili, mzrunveli babuaa, Zalian did pativs vcem am tradicias, magram santa klausi samuSaod ufro praqtikulia. qarTveli Tovlis papis ampluaSi ojaxebSi ver ivli. mas nabadi, Coxa-axaluxi, yabalaxi unda ecvas da cotaTi mouxerxebelia xangrZlivi siarulisas. mokled, ra Tqma unda, Caanacvla, radgan maRaziebic, sxvadasxva kompaniac, Tavisi brendis reklamebSi santa klausebs iyeneben. Tumca qarTuli Tovlis papis erTgulebi jer kidev arian sabavSvo baRebSi. saxelmwifo sabavSvo baRebSi iZaxeben tradiciul Tovlis papas. roca mirekaven da aseT babuas mTxoven, uars veubnebi, radgan Sesabamisi kostiumi ar maqvs.
– ZiriTadad, romel asakamde sjeraT Tovlis babuis arseboba?
– wels, magaliTad, myavda 7 wlis bavSvi, romelsac jer kidev sjeroda. mivxvdi, rom es asakze araa damokidebuli. SeiZleba Cemi asakis adamianmac daijeros misi arseboba. es yvelaferi adamianis fsiqologiidan modis. gansazRvruli asaki amas ar gaaCnia. yvelas vulocav (axla ukve Zveli stiliT) axal wels! qristesSobis brwyinvale dResaswauls! Cvens qveyanas mSvidobas da gamTlianebas vusurveb. swori gziT gvecxovros. bavSvebo, mozardebo, cxovreba mSvenieria! met optimizms gisurvebT yvelas! yvelaferi kargad iqneba!