,,2020 წელს ოპოზიცია გააქტიურდება და ხალხი დაინახავს, რომ ეს ქვეყანა ყველასია”
ramdenme Tvea regionSi `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ boikotis reJimSia da rogorc umaRlesi sabWos deputatebi, ise sakrebulos wevrebi sxdomebs ar eswrebian. gamonaklisi baTumis 2020 wlis biujetis damtkiceba da axlaxan gamarTuli umaRlesi sabWos riggareSe sesia iyo, sadac kanonmdeblebma sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis aWaris televiziisa da radios mrCevelTa sabWos mexuTe wevri airCies
– gaxsovT, albaT, Cven gavakeTeT gancxadeba da moviTxoveT saarCevno sistemis cvlilebasTan dakavSirebiT momzadebuli kanonproeqti umaRles sabWoSi kenWisyraze gaetanaT. sakonstitucio cvlilebebisTvis Tavis droze Seiqmna komisia, romelmac imuSava, mivida mosaxleobasTan, daarwmuna sazogadoeba, rom erTpartiuli mmarTvelobis Tavis dasaRwevad gamosavali proporciul arCevnebSia. sazogadoebam moiwona kanonproeqti, magram aRmoCnda, rom xelisufleba ar aris mzad proporciul arCevnebze gadasasvlelad da yvelaferi gadaabrales maJoritarebs. diax, realurad xelisufleba ar aris mzad proporciuli arCevnebisTvis, radgan icis, rom proporciuli arCevnebis Catarebis SemTxvevaSi gamarjvebas ver moipovebs – ar eqneba xmebis umravlesoba, – acxadebs aWaris umaRlesi sabWos `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ deputati asmaT diasamiZe, romelmac `aWarasTan~ gasuli 2019 weli Seafasa.
– qalbatono asmaT, rogori iyo opoziciis gadasaxedidan 2019 weli?
– gasuli weli sakmaod mZime iyo yvela mimarTulebiT. romeli erTi gavixseno – 20 ivnisis ambebi, mosamarTleTa uvado daniSvna, axalgazrdebis monapovris – proporciuli wesiT arCevnebis Catarebis dapirebis ignorireba da sxva. umaRlesi sabWos `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ boikotis reJimSi iqneba manam, sanam sakanonmdeblo organoSi kenWisyraze ar dadgeba momzadebuli sakonstitucio kanonproeqti.
– umaRles sabWoSi sakonstitucio cvlilebis ganxilva saqarTvelos parlamentSi analogiuri kanonproeqtis Cavardnam ganapiroba?
– diax, mec es unda meTqva. radgan saqarTvelos parlamentSi pirveli mosmeniT Cavarda kanonproeqti, aWaris umaRlesi sabWo ar cdilobs procesebi regionidan daiwyos. Cveni oponentebi `qarTuli ocnebidan~ Riad afiqsireben, rom proporciul arCevnebs uWeren mxars. vinaidan `qarTul ocnebas~ am sakiTxze ar aqvs umravlesoba, Tavs ikavebs, rom kanonproeqti kenWisyraze gamoitanos. arada, avtonomia gvaqvs, calke deputacia varT da avtoritetis sakiTxicaa – xom ar SeiZleba yvelaferi centrze iyos mibmuli? amasTan, ar SemiZlia ar vTqva, rom 2019 weli mZime iyo laris gaufasurebiT. investorebic veRar da aRar Semodian qveyanaSi, radgan saqarTveloSi erTi investori – biZina ivaniSvili gvyavs, romlis irgvliv trialebs yvela da yvelaferi. pretenziebi ismoda kulturuli memkvidreobis misamarTiTac – dangreuli Senobebi, aseve `rivieras~ mSeneblobis sakiTxiT gaRizianebuli baTumelebi. xelisuflebam moaxerxa da sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis aWaris televiziasa da radioSi Tavisufali sityvis SesazRudad giorgi koxreiZe aarCevina bords. guldasawyvetia xelisuflebis survili – sakuTar ruporad aqcios sazogadoebrivi mauwyebeli.
– qalbatono asmaT, TqviT, rom gasul wels iklo ucxourma investiciebma, Tumca statistikis erovnuli samsaxuris 2019 wlis mesame kvartalis monacemebiT, aWaraSi pirdapiri ucxouri investicia 9 Tvis monacemebiT, 2018 wlis analogiur periodTan SedarebiT, 43 procentiTaa gazrdili.
– ris xarjze imatebs, esec saTqmelia. SevadaroT 2012-2016 wlebs – investiciebis klebaa cifrebiT. ra keTdeba Cvens qalaqSi? `qarTuli ocnebis~ periodSi regions mesame ekonomikis ministri hyavs da yvelas vekiTxebiT, dagvisaxeleT masStaburi proeqti, investiciebs vgulisxmob, romelic aisaxeba Cveni mosaxleobis dasaqmebaze, keTildReobaze. investiciad ar SeiZleba CaiTvalos maRalsarTuliani kerZo saxlebis mSenebloba. investiciaSi vgulisxmob iseTi brendebis Semoyvanas, rogoricaa `hiltoni~, `Seratoni~, `redisoni~ da sxva.
– baTumi rom `forbma~ evropaSi yvelaze xelsayrel sainvesticio qalaqad daasaxela, amaze ras ityviT?
– rogorc yvela baTumels, mec Zalian maxarebs es ambavi. ise ki, gadaxedon im videorgols, romlis mixedviTac aWara, baTumi sainteresoa turistebisTvis. damisaxeleT Tundac erTi Senoba, romelic aq Camomsvlels xiblavs da romelic am xelisuflebis drosaa aSenebuli. imas, rac wina xelisuflebis damsaxurebaa, nu davukargavT. yvela saintereso da ucxo Senoba-nageboba `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ xelisuflebaSi yofnis drosaa agebuli. `qarTulma ocnebam~ mTis kurortebic ki ver amuSava. mxolod gazis miyvana arafers cvlis, an sastumros mSeneblobis dasruleba. iq unda iyos saTxilamuro bazebi, romelic ganviTarebis saSualebas miscems mTis kurortebs.
– qalbatono asmaT, regionis 2020 wlis biujetis damtkicebaSi umaRlesi sabWos `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ ar monawileobda, Tumca, albaT, mTavar finansur dokuments gaecaniT?
– yvela wlis bolo kvartalis ganxilvisas, opozicias aqvs pretenzia, radgan biujeti sworad araa dagegmili. am gaWirvebul qveyanaSi, xelisuflebas ar unda rCebodes asobiT aTasi lari gauxarjavi. mniSvnelovani proeqti daanonsda 2019 wlis bolos – `ocnebis qalaqis~ mSenebloba, magram biujetSi Cadebuli Tanxebi srulad ver daakmayofilebs beneficiarebs. Cven araerTxel moviTxoveT daskvna, Tu vin unda dakmayofildes sacxovrebliT. daaxloebiT 1700 ojaxia aRricxuli, Tumca iTqva, rom sacxovrebels 1500 miiRebs. 200 ojaxs ra bedi elis, ar aris cnobili. aseve ar viciT, ra kriteriumebiT ixelmZRvaneleben, vis ra farTs miscemen da a. S.
-kriteriumebi rom ar aris gansazRvruli, amas mTavrobac ambobs, magram raki jer mSenebloba ar dawyebula, ar Cqaroben kriteriumebis gansazRvras. amasTan, regionis mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem araerTxel ganacxada, rom xelisufleba samarTlian gadawyvetilebas miiRebs.
– biujeti damtkicebulia, Tanxa gamoyofili, Tumca sxva araferi viciT. `ocnebis qalaqSi~ ekomigrantebic arian. marto binebiT dakmayofileba ar aris mTavari, sakiTxavia, sad unda dasaqmdnen iq mcxovreblebi? rogor iarsebeben? visurvebdi, 2020 weli iyos warmatebis, siRaribis daZlevis weli, Tumca am xelisuflebis pirobebSi ocneba ocnebad darCeba.
– qalbatono asmaT, modiT, saarCevno sistemas davubrundeT. Tqven ras fiqrobT, romeli saarCevno sistema moergeba qarTul realobas?
– Zalian kargia dialogis formati, kargia, rom mxareebi ramdenjerme Sexvdnen erTmaneTs. molaparakebas zogadad, alternativa ar aqvs, mniSvnelovania, xelisuflebamac gaacnobieros problemis simZime, moxdes sazogadoebrivi azris Sejereba. germanuli modeli amoCemeba araa, maJoritaruli da proporciuli sia iqneba TanxvedraSi da ar iqneba mxolod erT partiaze morgebuli saarCevno sistema. arCevanis saSualeba unda hqondes xalxs. Tu xelisuflebas sjera imis, rasac ambobs, rom maRali ndoba aqvs sazogadoebaSi, maSin ratom ar Tanxmdeba germanul models? CavataroT am modeliT arCevnebi da Tu moqmedi xelisufleba gaimarjvebs, xalxis arCevans win veravin daudgeba. vfiqrob, xelisufleba wamova Sejerebul variantze, romelSic gaTvaliswinebuli iqneba rogorc xelisuflebis, ise opoziciis mosazrebebi.
– opoziciis da poziciis garkveuli nawilis protestis miuxedavad, 16 mosamarTle mainc gaamweses uvadod. mosamarTleTa umravlesoba wina xelisuflebis droidan modis. Tu es adamianebi maSin misaRebi iyo `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobisTvis~, Semdgom ra Seicvala da ratom waxvediT maT winaaRmdeg?
– arian adamianebi, romlebic yvela xelisuflebas ergebian. roca Cndeba kiTxvebi, pasuxebic unda miviRoT, es Seexeba konkretuli mosamarTlis ganaTlebis irgvliv gaCenil Tu sxva saxis kiTxvas. aqve vityvi, roca TvalebdaTxril bavSvebze pasuxismgebel pirs awinaureb da kidev sxva bevri ram xdeba, am yvelafris ukan vinc dgas, viciT, kargad gvaxsovs, 2012 wels rogor damTavrda xalxis nebis winaaRmdeg wasvla. amdenad, 2020 wels xelisufleba opoziciaSi gadasasvlelad unda moemzados. opoziciidan mosulma `qarTulma ocnebam~ mSvenivrad gaugo gemo xelisuflebas, magram koaliciurma mTavrobam unda gadaibaros xelisufleba, droa evropuli gamocdileba gaviziaroT.
– saprotesto aqciebisas, romelic SarSan permanentulad imarTeboda, rogor imoqmeda xelisuflebam?
– gasulma welma bevri ram gvaCvena. es xelisufleba 8 welia ikvebeba wina xelisuflebis qmedebebiT da apelirebs maSindeli darbevebiT, arada, imaze uaresi moxda zafxulSi. kargad gaxsovT girgvlianis da sxva aJitirebuli Temebi, aranaklebi girgvlianebi mogvimravldnen 2019 wels. arc erTi saqme gamoZiebuli ar aris da mxolod imis Tqma – gamoZiebas davelodoT, aRar Wris xalxze. yvela saqme Tarozea Semodebuli. mniSvnelovanma instituciebma xalxis ndoba dakarga, gansakuTrebiT policiam. jandacvaa da axali ministris mosvlis Semdeg profesionali eqimebi cud dReSi Cavardnen araswori gaTvlebiT. ganaTlebis sistemaSi skola da universitetebi aqcents kreditebis dagrovebaze, sertificirebaze akeTeben da amasobaSi bavSvebi dagvrCa uyuradRebod. mniSvnelovani dapireba iyo dasaqmeba – yvela regionSi biZina ivaniSvilis gasvla iwyeboda am dapirebiT. ambobda imasac, rom gaiafdeba sawvavi, deni… araferi gaiafebula, piriqiT, gaZvirda deni, sawvavi, bunebrivi gazis Seyvana gaormagda da 800 lari xdeba. wadiT ucxoeTSi da iq dasaqmdiTo, mogviwodes. xelisufleba cdilobs nihilizmi, uimedoba daTesos sazogadoebaSi. 2020 wels opozicia gaaqtiurdeba da xalxi dainaxavs, rom es qveyana yvelasia. ar SemiZlia 2019 weli prezidentis gamonaTqvamebiT ar gamovarCio. es aris qali, romelmac yvela frontze Tavis qveyanas saqme gaufuWa. vfiqrob, Segnebulad uSvebs Secdomebs, sadac wavida, sircxvili vWameT. am gaWirvebul qveyanaSi prezidentis administraciis mier daxarjuli Tanxa wlis simbolod iqca. salome zurabiSvils fufunebisadmi aqvs midrekileba da ara xalxis gaWirvebis gaTavisebisken. gvaxsovs, Tqva, prezidenti xalxTan axlos da maRla unda iyoso, rac daamtkica kidec Tavisi qmedebiT. is ver da ar acnobierebs am qveynis problemebs da mxolod Tanamdebobis xiblSia.
– qalbatono asmaT, gasuli wlis pozitivi ra iyo?
– Cveni qalaqis aRiareba – `turizmis oskaris~ mopoveba, rogorc yvela baTumels, mec gamixarda. kargia isic, rom xuloSi gazi gaiyvanes, Tumca 2019 weli gamorCeuli iyo finansuri maqinaciebiT, aramiznobrivad gaxarjuli TanxebiT, sakuTar Tavze premiebis gamoweriT. Sors rom ar wavideT, axlaxan, sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis bordis wevrebma jer gaiormages xelfasebi da mere premiebi gamoiweres. ar SeiZleba ar gagixardes mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris gadawyvetileba, wlis bolos ramdenime ojaxs sakuTrebaSi sacxovreblebi rom gadasca. Tu Tornike riJvaZis wamowyeba gagrZeldeba da yovelwliurad ase iqneba, rogor SeiZleba ar momewonos?
– axlad Seqmnili politikuri gaerTianeba `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ gaerTianebul opozicias ar uerTdeba da damoukideblad agrZelebs politikur saqmianobas. rogor fiqrobT, dadebs `lelo~ lelos 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebze?
– ara mgonia, `lelom~ sazogadoebis didi mxardaWera moipovos. xalxs ar aviwydeba `Ti bi si bankisgan~ gamosaxlebuli da usaxlkarod darCenili adamianebi. `lelo~ dafuZnda ara qveynis keTildReobisTvis, aramed imis gamo, roca xazaraZe-jafariZis biznesis problemad iqca biZina ivaniSvili. roca sakuTari keTildReobis gamo ginda qveyanas moargo politikuri gaerTianeba, aseTis ar mjera. ise ki, mniSvnelovani moTamaSea. momwons, rom bevri partia gamoCnda qarTul politikur velze.
– sxva politikuri gaerTianebis gamoCenas ar elodebiT axlo momavalSi, Tundac `qarTuli ocnebidan~ wasulebis?
– ar maqvs msgavsi molodini, droc Zalian cotaa imisTvis, politikur sivrceSi rom dafuZndes da ndoba moipovos axalma partiam. axlo momavalSi kidev bevri adamiani datovebs `qarTul ocnebas~. Tu Tavmoyvare da namusiani xar, roca sityvas gaTqmevineben da ver Seasruleb, bunebrivia, waxval. mesame Zala, razec mudmivad apelireben, ar iqneba. realuri Zala varT Cven – `gaerTianebuli opozicia~ da `qarTuli ocneba~. sazogadoeba endoba `gaerTianebul opozicias~ da iciT ratom? iyo Secdomebi, romlebic vaRiareT da bevri sasikeToc gagvikeTebia.
– rogori iqneba 2020 weli politikuri TvalsazrisiT?
– iqneba rigi samTavrobo cvlilebebi, amasTan, vityvi, rom xelisuflebas ver SeinarCunebs `qarTuli ocneba~, arCevnebSi ver gaimarjvebs.
