რისი თქმა სურს თამაზ ბაკურიძეს მთავრობის თავმჯდომარისთვის?
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`muyaos qalaqis~ mSenebloba TebervalSi daiwyeba, – ganacxada regionis pirvelma pirma Tornike riJvaZem mTavrobis mimdinare wlis pirvel sxdomaze da iqve dasZina: `gavagrZelebT muSaobas obieqturi, samarTliani, gamWvirvale kriteriumebis SemuSavebis mizniT. es mogvcems saSualebas, erTxel da samudamod gadavWraT regionSi arsebuli Zalian mniSvnelovani socialuri problema~.
mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris dapirebis miuxedavad, xelvaCaurSi, yofili 25-e da 53-e batalionebis teritoriaze TviTneburad SeWrili moqalaqeebi mainc eWvoben, rom maTi sacxovrebliT uzrunvelyofis problema ver gadaiWreba.
`muyaos~, igive `ocnebis qalaqSi~ mcxovrebTa problemebze wlebia saubrobs uflebadamcveli Tamaz bakuriZe, romelic imeds itovebs, rom dapirebas realobad aqcevs regionis xelisufleba.
– batono Tamaz, sul male `ocnebis qalaqSi~ mSenebloba daiwyeba. ra ganwyoba aqvT iq mcxovreblebs?
– ganwyoba araerTgvarovania, zogisTvis – imedis momcemic. es problema regionisTvis rTuli rom iyo, faqtia. unda iTqvas, bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi, socialuri problemebisadmi xelisuflebis uyuradRebobam gaaCina `ocnebis qalaqi~, romelic naTeli magaliTia imisa, rom glexi da soflad mcxovrebi mosaxleoba daiviwyes. Tu gaviTvaliswinebT imasac, rom soflad cxovreba gausaZlisi gaxda, aRar aris Semosavliani, am fonze ar unda gagvikvirdes, Tu soflebi icleba. Cndeba kiTxva – ra eSveleba sofels? bevr adamians vicnob, romlebic meubnebian: `Tu meqneba miwa da pirobebi, soflad yofna mirCevnia, magram roca arc miwa maqvs da arc Semosavlis wyaro, veZeb gzebs, Tavi gavitano~. nawilobriv amanac ganapiroba `ocnebis qalaqis~ gaCena. adamianebi dasaxldnen qalaqSi, gauCndaT saarsebo wyaro. iq yvela usaxlkaro rodia, Tumca aqvT sxva problemebi, yvelaze didi problema ki, ramac isini qalaqSi Camoiyvana – saarsebo wyaros ararseboba iyo. dRes bevri maTgani mSeneblobazea dasaqmebuli, zogi mezobel TurqeTSi gadadis da materialuri mdgomareoba Tavad gaiumjobesa, rac misasalmebelia, aRar arian saxelmwifos xarjze. bevri ojaxi ukve aRar Rebulobs socialur Semweobas, magram saxelmwifo valdebulia, sakuTar moqalaqeebze izrunos da maTi socialuri mdgomareoba gaaumjobesos, sacxovrebeli pirobebi Seuqmnas. Svidi weli varwmunebdiT xelisuflebas, rom am xalxs sWirdeba mxardaWera da Tanadgoma, Tumca regionis wina ori mTavrobis Tavmjdomare amas ar aRiarebda. moqmedi mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem es sakiTxi dRis wesrigSi rom daayena, wingadadgmuli da misasalmebeli nabijia. axla xelisuflebam yvelaferi unda gaakeTos imisaTvis, rom es nabiji Sedegiani aRmoCndes. sasurvelia, obieqturad miiRon gadawyvetileba da ise ar gamovides, rom problemis gadasaWrelad gadadgmuli nabiji bumerangiviT moubrundeT ukan.
– albaT, kriteriumebs gulisxmobT. . .
– xelisufleba ambobs, rom pirvel etapze 582 bina aSendeba. Cndeba kiTxva, vis daakmayofileben sacxovreblebiT?
– kriteriumebi jer ar aris gansazRvruli, Tumca Tornike riJvaZe acxadebs, rom procesi iqneba obieqturi, samarTliani da gamWvirvale.
– diax, kriteriumebi samarTlianad da obieqturad unda ganisazRvros. Tu fiqroben, rom 582 ojaxis dakmayofilebiT problema gadaiWreba, cdebian.
– movlenebs win nu gavuswrebT. xelisufleba xazgasmiT ambobs, rom 582 bina pirvel etapze iqneba da gagrZeldeba mSenebloba.
– mSeneblobis meore da mesame etapze ramdeni ojaxis dakmayofilebas apireben, arsad weria.
– xom ar ajobebs, vacadoT xelisuflebas, daiwyos pirveli etapi, gangaSis zarebs winaswr nu SemovkravT. Tu saukeTeso Tavdacva Tavdasxmaa?
– xalxs aqvs ufleba, icodes simarTle. aravis unda gauCndes eWvi, rom yvelaferi ise ar aris, rogorc saWiroa da amiT borotad ar unda isargeblos mavanma. kiTxvas rom svams xalxi, pasuxic unda miiRos.
– araerTxel Tqva mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem, rom procesebi iqneba gamWvirvale da samarTliani, rom arc erTi bavSvi ar daiCagreba.
– dapirebidan gavida ukve erTi weli, Tumca mSenebloba jer ar dawyebula. ise ki, ratomRac, darwmunebuli var, xelisufleba am saqmes bolomde miiyvans. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, xalxi ar gaCerdeba.
– gulwrfelad minda mipasuxoT – yvelas ekuTvnis iq bina?
– arasdros miTqvams, rom iq mcxovrebs, yvelas, bina ekuTvnis, magram me da Tqven ver ganvsazRvravT – vis ekuTvnis da vis – ara, es unda gansazRvros mTavrobam. wlebia, ician ukve, vis ekuTvnis da vis ara sacxovrebeli. meSvide welia daskvnebi udevT. modiT, mivideT da vkiTxoT – vis ekuTvnis da vis ara bina da vnaxoT, pasuxs Tu gagvcemen. Svidi wlis ganmavlobaSi samma komisiam imuSava. bolo komisia, iciT, rogor reJimSi Catarda? jandacvis saministros, Semosavlebis samsaxuris warmomadgenlebi adgilze muSaobdnen da TiToeuli adamianis monacemi aqvT, Tu vin ra qonebas flobs. araerTxel moviTxove, CemTvis moecaT monacemebi. me var adamiani, romelic iq mcxovreblebs vicav da maTi saxeliT gancxadebebs vakeTeb. miTxran, romel arasamTavrobo organizacias aCvenes daskvnebi? AAAAAAarada, mudmivad memuqrebodnen am daskvnebiT, rom policias gadascemdnen da uwyeba Sesabamisad imoqmedebda.
– vin gemuqrebodaT?
– dRes opoziciaSi myofi koba CxeiZe, romelic maSin mTavrobis aparatSi muSaobda. Cemi arc valdebulebaa da arc pasuxismgebloba, vinmes vuTxra – bina gekuTvnis an ar gekuTvnis. es unda gaakeTos xelisuflebam.
– kriteriumebis gansazRvris komisiaSi miiRebT monawileobas?
– ara.
– ratom? Tavs aaridebT process?
– me iq mcxovreblebs wlebia vicav. Tu mimiwveven, miviReb monawileobas ara komisiis wevris ampluaSi, aramed rogorc am xalxis interesebis damcveli. ar var is adamiani, process Tavi avarido an gaveqce, magram raki wlebia im adamianebis gverdiT vdgavar, mxared CaviTvlebi. aucileblad davakvirdebi procesebs, romelsac ganaxorcielebs mTavroba adgilobriv Tu saerTaSoriso organizaciebTan erTad. rogorc ki davinaxav araobieqturobas, ar gavCumdebi.
– axlaxan maxvilauris mosaxleoba daxmarebas iTxovda. saprotesto aqciaze Tqvenc iyaviT.
– diax, maxvilauris dasaxlebaSi mcxovrebi 150 ojaxi daxmarebas iTxovs. ratomRac araswori informacia gaavrceles sainformacio saSualebebma – isini avtobanis mSeneblobas ar ewinaaRmdegebian, korpusebis siaxlovesac gaiara avtobanma. mSeneblobaze mZime teqnika muSaobs, ramac, rogorc mosaxleoba acxadebs, maTi sacxovreblebis dazianeba gamoiwvia – saxlebs bzarebi gauCnda. xalxi samarTlianad iTxovs, eqspertizam daadginos, ram gamoiwvia bzarebi da ramdenad usafrTxoa iq cxovreba. sagzao departamenti aqcias gamoexmaura da Tqva, rom sakiTxs Seiswavlis. aqciis Semdeg, mosaxleoba xelvaCauris merma daibara. maTive TqmiT, iq imyofeboda kompania `foladis~ warmomadgeneli. swored es kompania axorcielebs samSeneblo samuSaoebs. xalxisTvis uTqvamT – Tamaz bakuriZe miwaTmomwyobia Tu eqsperti, gancxadebebs rom akeTebso. arsad miTqvams, rom avtobanis mSeneblobis gamo dazaralda mosaxleoba. vambob da gavimeoreb, Tu mSeneblobis gamo dazaralda xalxi, kompania valdebulia Sesabamisi RonisZiebebi gaataros. Tu valdebulebebs ar Seasruleben, mere naxaven rasac vizamT – 10-dRiani vada aqvs micemuli kompanias.
– maradidis mosaxleobac xSirad marTavs saprotesto aqciebs. . .
– maradidSi aSenda `kirnaTihesi~, mSeneblobas `aWarenerji – 2007~ awarmoebda. hesi eqspluataciaSia Sesuli. mSeneblobis dros daitbora sacxovreblebi da saxnav-saTesi miwebi. mosaxleobas zarali nawilobriv aunazRaures, Tumca darCa ojaxebi, romelTa gayvanac aucilebelia, radgan maTi teritoria unda daitboros. es is ojaxebia, romlebic arc erT etapze ar daTanxmdnen gansaxlebas – kompensacia ar iyo maTTvis misaRebi. gasul wels iq ori saTevze meurneoba daitbora da zarali ar aunazRaurebiaT. Aaseve, erTi sasoflo-sameurneo daniSnulebis miwis nakveTic. kompania pasuxismgeblobas ar iRebs. Tamaz bakuriZes ki ara, aseT midgomas gamohyavs xalxi quCaSi. problemis mogvarebaSi xelisufleba CaerTo, vfiqrob xalxis sasargeblod gadawydeba es sakiTxi.
– dekembris bolos mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem im ojaxebs, romlebic wlebis ganmavlobaSi sakuTrebaSi ver ikanonebdnen sacxovrebel farTebs, binebi simbolur, erT larad gadasca.
– es Zalian kargi faqtia, magram gonioSi gvyavs 12 ojaxi, romlebsac analogiuri problema aqvT. kargi iqneba, mTavrobis Tavmjdomare am ojaxebis problemiTac Tu dainteresdeba, darwmunebuli var, masTan swori informacia araa misuli. iqneb Tqveni gazeTis saSualebiT baton Tornike riJvaZes mivawvdino xma – am gaWirvebuli xalxis problemebiTac dainteresdes. aqve minda mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris gadawyvetilebas gamovexmauro – TxilvanaSi mcxovreblebs 25-25 aTas lars rom gadascemen. Txilvana wiTel zolSia da am dromde verc erTma xelisuflebam ver moaxerxa iqaurTa problemebis mogvareba. bolo dros gaaqtiurda mewyruli procesebi – cxovreba safrTxis Semcvelia da ojaxebis gansaxlebaa saWiro. sasixaruloa, rom maTi problema gadaiWreba, Tumca maRalmTian aWaraSi msgavsi problemebi aris da visurveb, xelisuflebas biujetma saSualeba misces, rom mosaxleobas daexmaros.
