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ambavi arcTu ise Zvelia _ 6 Tebervals baTumis sakrebulos sxdomaTa darbazSi gamarTul aWaris umaRlesi sabWos riggareSe sesiaze moZraoba `gabedes~, arasamTavrobo organizacia `alternativas~ da `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebma deputatebi `sircxvilis koridorSi” gaatares. sxdomas, rogorc Tavad ganacxada, sapatio mizeziT ar eswreboda damoukidebeli deputati merab bladaZe. baTumis meriasTan mimdinare procesebs igi socialu-ri qseliT adevnebda Tvals da postic ki gamoaqveyna socialur qselSi sakuTar gverdze: `dideba RmerTs, rom dRes sesias sapatio mizezis gamo ver daveswari. . . dedis saflavs geficebi, `sircxvilis koridori~, arc gabedoT, Torem Tavebs dagitexT, Tundac mandatis datoveba momiwios. . . ar vcxovrob ise, rom eg makadroT!!! momaval Sexvedramde da unamusoebi xarT” (stili daculia – n. c.).
deputatis am posts gamoxmaurebebi mohyva. Salva naTelaSvilma merab bladaZes `kud-zonderi~ uwoda, igi `formulaze~ iumoristul gadacemaSic moxvda. mokled, is, vinc 6 Tebervlamde ar icnobda merab bladaZes, am dRis Semdeg ukve icnobs.
mainc vis uwoda unamusoebi da visi misamarTiT Tqva – `Tavebs dagitexavT~, am da sxva – ufro saintereso sakiTxebze damoukidebelma deputatma `aWarasTan~ isaubra. vinc merab bladaZes icnobs, tendenciurobaSi ar damadanaSaulebs Tu vityvi, rom deputati rasac fiqrobs, Seulamazeblad wers socialur qselSi.
– batono merab, visTvis apirebdiT `Tavebis datexvas~?
– im dResac, rogorc yovelTvis, Selamazebis gareSe davwere is, rasac vfiqrobdi. riggareSe sesias ar veswrebodi, Tumca informacias socialuri qseliT vecnobodi. `sircxvilis koridoris~ mowyobaze aRvSfoTdi da yvelaze metad mewyina is, rom patara bavSvebTan erTad, iq Cemi kolegebi idgnen `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobidan~. marTalia, mogvianebiT miTxres, rom Sen ar gexeboda `sircxvilis koridorio~, Tumca miuRebeli iyo kolegebis misamarTiT maTi SeZaxilebi. 6 Tebervals morigi uniWo speqtakli dadga opoziciam. mainteresebs, roca sakanonmdeblo organoSi movlen, ar SercxvebaT kolegebisTvis TvalebSi Sexedva?
– 6 Tebervlis Tqveni feisbuqposti sazogadoebasa da politikur wreebSi araerTgvarovnad Sefasda. iyo iumoric, agresiac da dadebiTi komentarebic. . .
– samwuxarod, mediis didi nawili movlenebs calmxrivad aSuqebs. geTanxmebiT, rom iyo iumoric – miSa mSvildaZem Cemze isaubra Tavis gadacemaSi `formulaze~, Salva naTelaSvilma cili damwama, rom aslan abaSiZis dros `sabaJo specdaniSnulebis Sefi~ viyavi, saidanac Turme milionebi irecxeboda narkotikebiT. Salva naTelaSvilma zogadad, sxvaze naklebi unda isaubros, radgan misi mevaxSeobis ambavi saqveynodaa cnobili. sabaJo specdaniSnulebis Sefi arasdros vyofilvar da romc vyofiliyavi, samarcxvinos arafers gavakeTebdi. viyavi specdaniSnulebis razmis meTauri, romelic sabaJo samsaxurs eqvemdebareboda da xelfassac es uwyeba gvixdida. Cveni movaleoba iyo zonderebisa da reketisgan xalxis dacva aWaris teritoriaze. Cemma Taobam kargad icis, ra xdeboda im periodSi qveyanaSi. sxvaTa Soris, belgiaSi yofnisas, naTelaSvili CemTan daaxloebas cdilobda, Tumca masTan urTierTobis survili ar gamiCnda da mivwere kidec – mixeil saakaSvils aRzevebaSi exmarebodi-meTqi. albaT, Zveli boRma gulSi hqonda Cadebuli da rogorc ki SesaZlebloba mieca, gadmoanTxia. misma `botebmac~ Semomities… Tmenis valdebuleba gaqvso, miTxra zogierTma Jurnalistma. Tmenis ara, magram valdebuleba maqvs qveynis, ojaxis, megobrebis winaSe. roca pirad Seuracxyofas mogayeneben, maSin Tmenis valdebulebas iviwyeb. ise, grigol vaSaZem rom Tqva: `Tav-ybas gagierTianebT~, `gagxevT nakeravze~, policias xeli daartya, maSin ratom ar aRSfoTdnen Jurnalistebi?
– arasasiamovnoa Cemi kolegebis misamarTiT msgavsi gancxadebebis mosmena. . .
– mesmis Tqveni, magram Tu vinmes `dabali Robe~ vgonivar, cdeba.
– am dReebSi yvelaze xmauriani Tema qarTul politikaSi gigi ugulavas dakavebaa. rogor afasebT am faqts?
– rom vTqvaT, gigi ugulavas dakavebas politikasTan kavSiri ar aqvs, simarTle ar iqneba. es politikuri gadawyvetileba iyo, magram gavrcelebuli informacia, TiTqos erTsa da imave saqmeze daakaves, sicruea. mavans xels aZlevs sazogadoebis SecdomaSi Seyvana. mTelma Tbilisma icis, gigi ugulavam, roca qalaqis meri iyo, rogor moiwyo kabineti. ufro adre ki, roca aslan abaSiZe wavida da aWara Tavisufaliao – gamoacxada mixeil saakaSvilma, maSin soso gogitiZis pirad nivTebs irgebda gigi ugulava. arsadaa fiqsirebuli is qoneba, rac aWaridan gazides Tavis droze. Zalian bevri vibrZole, rom am sakiTxiT sazogadoeba da xelisufleba dainteresebuliyo, magram rogorc sxva danaSauli, esec apaties maT.
– gigi ugulavas dapatimrebis Semdeg Salva naTelaSvilma ganacxada, rom aranairi molaparakeba ar Sedgeboda xelisuflebasTan, ufro metic – sayovelTao daumorCileblobaze gadasvlis gancxadebac ki gaakeTa. misi am gancxadebidan maleve gavrcelda Zveli satelevizio interviu, sadac ambobs, rom gigi ugulava iyo saakaSvilis represiuli reJimis erT-erTi mTavari jalaTi.
– mas sworad Searqves jambazi, radgan dRes erTs ambobs da xval – meores. gigi ugulava marTlac iyo mixeil saakaSvilis zonderi, meqrTame da mis winaaRmdeg saqmeebicaa aRZruli, magram `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisufleba ise akeTebs yvelafers, rom salaparakod xdis da bevr kiTxvis niSans aCens.
– mainc ra safrTxes warmoadgenda `qarTuli ocnebisTvis~ gigi ugulava? Tu etapobrivad opoziciis yvela liders daakaveben?
– vinc xelisuflebas xels SeuSlis, cixeSi gauSveben, rac usamarTlobaa. xelisufleba ar aris saTanado simaRleze, rom adamianebs gauCndeT gancda – samarTalma izeima. arada, 2012 wels `qarTuli ocnebis~ mTavari dapireba xom samarTlianobis aRdgena iyo, rac, samwuxarod, ar Seasrula.
– opozicia Tebervlis bolosTvis xelisuflebasTan dialogis mexuTe raundisTvis emzadeboda. gigi ugulavas dapatimrebis Semdeg ki dRis wesrigi Secvala.
– opoziciam politika biznesad aqcia da Svilebic CarTo procesebSi. diax, swored ase moiqcnen burjanaZe, berZeniSvili, naTelaSvili. kidev gamoCndebian aseTi politikosebi. telewamyvan nanuka JorJolianis damokidebuleba `nacionaluri moZraobis~ mimarT yvelam icis. manac CarTo politikaSi Tavisi Svili. ise, proporciuli saarCevno sistemis momxre var, magram ara _ nulovani barieriT. rasac xelisufleba dahpirda xalxs – Secdoma iyo. mainteresebs, vin urCia, SecdomaSi Seiyvana biZina ivaniSvili da aTqmevina, rom proporciuli arCevnebi nulovani barieriT Catardeboda. msoflioSi aRiarebulia da konstitucionalistebis mosazrebaa, rom nulovani barieri qveynis ganviTarebas xels uSlis. proporciuli sistema kargia, Tumca 5 an 7-procentiani barieriT. xelisflebis adgilze davtovebdi proporciul arCevnebs – barieriT, rom iseTi partiebi, romlebsac mxolod ambiciebi aqvT, ver moxvdnen parlamentSi. opozicias veTanxmebi, rom swored `gavrilovis Ramis~ muxtis Casacxrobad gaaJReres saarCevno sistemis Secvla. Tumca amiT biZina ivaniSvilma qveyanas samoqalaqo dapirispireba aacila. warmoidgineT, `nacionaluri moZraoba~ kidev rom Sevardniliyo parlamentSi da revoluciuri scenari gaeTamaSebina.
– revoluciur scenarze irib gancxadebebs akTeben giga bokeria da giorgi vaSaZe.
– aseTi gancxadebebi rom keTdeba, es xelisuflebis sisusteze mianiSnebs, Torem amas saqmis aRZra unda mohyves. ar vici, konstituciaSi aris Tu ara Canaweri, rom adamianebs mouwodo revoluciisken, sisxlisRvrisken. normalur qveyanaSi aseTi gancxadebebis gakeTeba, xelisuflebis Zaladobrivi gziT damxobisken mowodeba isjeba. samwuxarod, dRemde mixeil saakaSvilis dros miRebuli kanonebiT moqmedeben. ukeTesia, sakanonmdeblo organom kanonebis Secvlaze ifiqros. warmoidgineT, adamiani cils dagwamebs, iseT rames dagabralebs, rac ar gagikeTebia. Cven xom marto ar varT da Cven ukan ojaxebi dgas. moralurad ganadgureben da amaze pasuxis moTxovnis ufleba ar gaqvs, Turme es aris Tavisufali sityva. Cemi azriT, es uzneobaa, rasac xelisufleba xels uwyobs. kidev erTxel gavimeoreb, es aris uunaro, cudi xelisufleba, magram masze cudi iyo `nacionaluri moZraobis~ xelisufleba.
– cudi da uaresi – ase afasebT or mTavar politikur moTamaSes. mesame Zala am dromde ar Cans. ras fiqrobT, cudsa da uaress Soris mouwevs arCevanis gakeTeba mosaxleobas?
– `nacionalur moZraobas~ Tavisi mimdevari hyavs – es, Cemi azriT, samwuxaro realobaa, Tumca versad gaveqceviT. arc mesame Zala gamoCnda, romelsac xalxi gahyveba da daasrulebs erTsac da meoresac. Aamitom realobidan gamomdinare Tu vimsjelebT, 2020 wlis arCevnebSi `qarTuli ocneba~ gaimarjvebs.
– eqsprezidenti mixeil saakaSvili saprezidento biblioTekaSi piradi Stabis gaxsnas apirebs pirveli martidan, amaze ras ityviT?
– mixeil saakaSvili mxolod uaryofiT konteqstSi movixsenioT, es zizRis da siZulvilis ena iqneba. man bevri gaakeTa qveynisTvis. kargad gvaxsovs eduard SevardnaZis periodi – qaosi da korufcia. saakaSvilma maSin Waobidan amoiyvana qveyana. baTumis, siRnaRis, Tbilisis Tu sxva qalaqebis mowesrigebaSi didi wvlili miuZRvis. gakeTda gzebic, magram samwuxarod, axalgazrda kaci Zalauflebis maniiT moiwamla. mixeil saakaSvilis dabrunebiT miviRebT meore vladimer putins _ mas mTeli cxovreba moundeba xelisuflebaSi yofna. saakaSvilma amowura Tavisi SesaZleblobebi. aslan abaSiZemac Tavis droze bevri kargi gaakeTa _ rom ara misi principuli pozicia, samoqalaqo omi iqneboda aWaraSi. madloba mas amisTvis. dRes ukve sxva politikuri Zalis mosvlis droa da ara `gaerTianebuli opoziciis~, romelsac saTaveSi `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ udgas.
– batono merab, parlamentis pirveli vice-spikeri gia volski eWvobs, rom opozicias saarCevno sistemis cvlilebasTan dakavSirebiT SeTanxmebis miRweva ar surs. . .
– veTanxmebi gia volskis. igi sakmaod gamocdili politikosi da saxelmwifoebrivad moazrovne adamiania. `gaerTianebul opozicias~ momavali ar aqvs, radgan politikuri brZolis binZuri taqtika aqvs arCeuli.
– xelisufleba mainc sTavazobs opozicias dialogs. ra molodini gaqvT, Sedgeba ki?
– vfiqrob, arc erTi mxare ar daTmobs poziciebs. xelisufleba evropeli da amerikeli partniorebis dasanaxad sTavazobs opozicias dialogs. isedac cota dro rCeba da vfiqrob, arsebuli saarCevno sistemiT Catardeba 2020 wlis arCevnebic. sxvaTa Soris, giga bokeriam sakmaod Wkvianuri ram SesTavaza opozicias _ arsebuli modelis irgvliv gaerTianebuliyvnen da yvela maJoritarul olqSi saerTo kandidatiT dapirispirebodnen xelisuflebas, magram boRma, siZulvili da dapirispirebaa erTmaneTSi.

