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ratom ver xerxdeba poziciasa da opozicias Soris molaparakeba, arCevnebSi gamarjvebis ra Sansebi aqvs mmarTvel partias da ra pozicia aqvs aWaris sazogadoebriv mauwyebelTan gamarTul aqciebTan dakavSirebiT – amaze da sakuTar sakanonmdeblo saqmianobaze saubrobs CvenTan interviuSi aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputati ilia verZaZe.
– batono ilia, rogor fiqrobT, ra miznebs emsaxureba opoziciis mier gakeTebuli mkveTri gancxadebebi?
– jer kidev 2016 wlidan vambob erTsa da imaves, radgan axla mimdinare procesebs jer kidev maSin Caeyara safuZveli, yvelaferi maSin ikveTeboda da ar iyo rTuli am situaciis prognozireba – opoziciis nebismieri gancxadeba da qmedeba mimarTulia destruqciisa da qveynis destabilizaciisken. maTi mTavari amocana xelisuflebis kritika da Secdomebze miTiTeba ki ara, mmarTveli gundis diskreditacia da amomrCevlisTvis cru informaciis miwodebaa. darwmunebuli var, arc originaluri da arc erTaderTi gaxlavarT, vinc analogiurad fiqrobs.
– amas ris safuZvelze ambobT?
– Tavad daakvirdiT, rogor SeiZleba nebismieri movlenis Sefaseba, rac am oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi xdeba, erTi da igive frazebiT da moTxovnebiT mTavrdebodes? magaliTad, policia Sevida Ramis klubSi mavanTa gancxadebis safuZvelze an ruseTis delegacia Camovida an romelime Tanamdebobis pirma raRac gancxadeba gaaJRera, yvelaferze ismis `kopirebuli~ sityvebi, daskvnebi, yovelgvar logikas moklebuli frazebi. `me dagabraleb da Sen Tavi imarTles~ principze agebuli uargumento gancxadebebi. mokled rom vTqvaT, opozicias aqvs ramdenime fraza SemuSavebuli da amiT cdilobs SecdomaSi Seiyvanos rogorc mosaxleoba, aseve ucxoeli partniorebi. kargad icis evropis ganwyobebi, maTi mentaliteti da isic, rom zogadad, evropeli da amerikeli politikosebi tyuils miCveulni ar arian. es sworicaa, radgan dasavleTSi ver warmoudgeniaT, ratom, ra mizniT atyueben. swored es taqtika SeimuSaves Cvenma e.w. opozicionerebma – tyuilis politika kargad aiTvises da aqtiurad iyeneben.
– gigi ugulavas daWerasTan dakavSirebiT sxvadasxva mosazreba gaJRerda, maT Soris isic, rom yofili meri politaqtivobis gamo daiWires.
– diax, amaze vsaubrob mec. evropelebTan calsaxad midis mesiji, rom igi politikur brZolas awarmoebda da amis gamo daiWires. bokeriamac es ganacxada sajarod: vinac Seawuxa, is daiWireso. arc uxsenebiaT, rom fuli moipara, gaflanga. amas ugulavas aRiarebac axlavs Tan, man Riad ganacxada, me Sevqmeni es Svidasi kacisgan Semdgari samsaxuri da me viReb pasuxismgeblobaso.
– Tuki aRiareba hqondaT, amden xans ratom ar daiWires?
– swored es aris is siRrmiseuli kiTxvebi, romlebzec me pasuxs ver gagcemT. amaze iuristebi gipasuxeben, radgan nebismier gamoZiebas Tan axlavs iuridiuli niuansebi, gasaCivreba sxvadasxva instanciaSi orive mxridan, mowmeebis dakiTxva da a.S. yvelaferi es droSi iweleba da iTxovs garkveul vadas. Tanac, maSinve xom ar iZleva yvela Cvenebas, rac saqmis gamoZiebis dros aucileblobas warmoadgens! Cven vcxovrobT saxelmwifoSi, sadac yvelaferi Cateulia samarTlebriv sivrceSi. vfiqrob, umjobesia, amaze specialistebs gaesaubroT.
– opozicias mxolod es saqme ar aqvs gamotanili dRis wesrigSi. isini Tvlian, rom mmarTveli gundi Tavs aridebs molaparakebas.
– diax, ase gaJRerda, magram Cven ki ara, opozicia ar ubrundeba molaparakebis magidas. imitom ar modian, rom realurad ar undaT molaparakeba. Tvlian, rom maTTvis momgebiania areuli, daZabuli situacia da polarizebuli garemo. amas akeTeben gaTvlilad, civi gonebiT. lamis apokalifsi iwinaswarmetyvelon. swored esaa maTi ZiriTadi amocana.
– mgoni, mizans miaRwies kidec, mosaxleobis nawilic ase fiqrobs.
– ase ar aris. is nawili, vinc ase fiqrobs, imdenad cotaa, rom maTi xma ar iqneba arCevnebSi gadamwyveti. mosaxleoba maT performansebsa da tyuilebs ar wamoegeba, amis imedi maqvs. xalxs es filmi bevrjer aqvs nanaxi. amitom aseTi Zalisxmeva opozicionerebs did dividendebs ver moutans, SeiZleba amomrCevlis erTi-ori procenti Seiyvanon SecdomaSi.
– Tqven fiqrobT, rom mosaxleobis didi nawili Tqvens gunds miscems xmas?
– ra Tqma unda, da getyviT ratom – arCevnebis Sefaseba realurad Semdegnairad xdeba. Cven viciT, rom situacia, zogadad, kompoziciuria, rTulia. mimdinare procesebi rom SevajamoT, miviRebT kompoziciur did rukas, romelzec asaxulia yvela lokaluri problema. xalxi kargad xedavs, rom Cvens sawinaaRmdegod mimarTuli qmedebebi da niusebi naglej-naglejaa amoRebuli, magaliTad, sadRac viRacam viRac daCagra – es trialebs yvela arxze sazareli interpretaciiT. swored aqedan gamomdinare vambob, rom arCevnebis dros amomrCeveli liton sityvebs da usafuZvlo braldebebs ki ara, realur faqtebs Sexedavs. xelisufleba fasdeba globaluri niSniT. kargad Cans, rac gaakeTa. Cveni ideologiuri kursi iTvaliswinebs saxelmwifos gaZlierebas. magaliTisTvis Tundac respublikuri saavadmyofo aviRoT. CvenTvis mTavaria, rom is saxelmwifo sakuTrebaa, garemontdes da xalxis samsaxurSi Cadges. gaixseneT wina xelisuflebis mier gayiduli saavadmyofoebi, tyeebi, miwebi Tu saZovrebi. es iyo maTi ideologia, rasac verafriT uaryofen. swored es Sedarebebi unda gakeTdes. araa saWiro im faqtebiT apelireba, romlebiTac sruliad alogikurad, usafuZvlod cdiloben Cvens `gaSavebas~. amas Zalian kargad gaSifravs amomrCeveli arCevnebis win da mixvdeba, rom misTvis prioritetia aSenebuli baTumi, sadac ukve gvaqvs aTwleulobiT nanatri stadioni, sportskolebi, sportis sasaxle, skolebi, bavSvTa baRebi, gzebi, garemontebuli respublikuri saavadmyofo, Teatrebi, mweralTa kavSiri da a.S.
– Tqven ar uSvebT, rom xalxi opozicias dauWers mxars?
– es ar miTqvams. demokratiul, samarTlebriv saxelmwifoSi imaT ideologiasac gaaCnia arsebobis ufleba. mowinave qveynebSic arian memarjveneebi, romlebic amtkiceben, rom saxelmwifosTvis prioriteti mxolod biznesis da bankebis xelSewyobaa. ki, batono, visac amis sjera, misces amaT xma. es maTi arCevania, Tumca kidev erTxel vimeoreb – ar mjera, rom ai, am triukebiT moaxerxeben xalxis SecdomaSi Seyvanas.
– umuSevars rom uWirs da arsebobis saxsrebi ar gaaCnia, es gasagebia, magram vinc muSaobs, imasac rom ar hyofnis xelfasi da Tvidan Tvemde valebs imatebs, amaze ras gvetyviT? ucxoeTis qveynebSi damlageblebsac ki aqvT sakmarisi anazRaureba, riTac ara mxolod kvebas, Cacma-daxurvas, swavla-ganaTlebas, aramed dasvenebasac axerxeben romelime prestiJul kurortze. .
– araswor formulirebas akeTebT, Tqven ambobT, rom ucxoeTSi adamiani Tu muSaobs – hyofnis. me getyviT bevri ucxouri qveynis magaliTs, sadac ar hyofniT. Tqven Tu ar daakonkretebT, me dagisaxelebT iseT qveynebs, sadac uaresi mdgomareobaa. vici, rom CvenTan uamravi problemaa, magram es arc Cveni mmarTvelobis wlebSi dawyebula da arc winamorbedebis. samwuxarod, susti ekonomikis mqone qveyana varT da swored am kuTxiT unda vimuSaoT. ekonomika ase advilad ver gaZlierdeba. amas dro sWirdeba.
– aWaris televiziasTan dakavSirebiT ra komentars gaakeTebT?
– Cven demonstraciulad vacxadebT, rom ar vereviT maT muSaobaSi. Zalian vwuxvar imaze, rac xdeba. xelisufleba ar ereva televiziis saredaqcio politikaSi, arada, damoukideblobis dakargvaze xdeba apelireba. minda xazgasmiT ganvacxado, rom bulingis qveS Cven varT da ara isini. ramdenjer yofila, bolo sityvas ar gaTqmevineben, ise CamogaWrian frazas, rom sul sxva datvirTva eZleva naTqvams. ise giyvirebs Jurnalisti, Cagisworebs teqsts, SegekamaTeba, rom xmasac ver amoiReb. vin kargavs damoukideblobas magaT eTerSi, es kidev gasarkvevia. koxreiZis direqtorobis periodSi gvaqvs faqti, rom 70 kacs kontraqti daumTavrda da gaugrZela. anu rom ar gaegrZelebina, veravin verafers etyoda, magram mainc es trialebs, TiTqos devna, saredaqcio damoukideblobis xelyofa xdeba… movuwodeb yvela Jurnalists, rom koreqtulobis maRali xarisxi aCvenon, samarTlianobis grZnoba SeinarCunon, emociebs nu ahyvebian, riTic sxva adamianebis uflebebs laxaven. cnobil saxeebs meti pasuxismgebloba ekisrebaT mayureblebis winaSe. mTeli es procesi guldasawyvetia, radgan amas mxolod aWaris ki ara, mTeli qveynis mosaxleoba uyurebs. darwmunebuli var, aravis aZlevs xels saxedakarguli televizia.
– Tu SeiZleba, Tqvens sakanonmdeblo saqmianobazec gvesaubreT. . .
– Cems samaJoritaro olqSi Cemi da Cemze daqvemdebarebuli biuros mier inicirebul proeqtebTan dakavSirebiT getyviT Semdegs: Cemi inicirebiT aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis umaRlesma sabWom miiRo dadgenileba – `aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis umaRlesi sabWos maJoritari wevris amomrCevelebTan urTierTobis gaumjobesebis RonisZiebaTa Sesaxeb~; sakanonmdeblo iniciativis wesiT, saqarTvelos parlamentSi inicirebul iqna kanonis proeqti saqarTvelos organul kanonSi `saqarTvelos Sromis kodeqsSi~ cvlilebis Setanis Sesaxeb; Cemi fraqciis aparatma aWaris umaRles sabWoSi inicirebisTvis moamzada aWaris avtonomiur respublikis kanonis proeqti `aWaris avtonomiur respublikaSi socialuri daxmarebis damatebiTi dafinansebis Sesaxeb~; Cemi CarTulobiT xeli moewera memorandums adamianis uflebaTa damcvel saerTaSoriso organizaciasTan da baTumi gaxda rigiT me-16 qalaqi, romelsac es qseli aerTianebs; Cemi iniciativiT, regionebis doneze pirvelad, aWaraSi Seiqmna `socialuri pasuxismgeblobis sammxrivi komisia~, romlis mizani da amocana socialuri partniorobis ganviTareba, dasaqmebulebs, damsaqmeblebsa da mTavrobas Soris socialuri dialogis warmarTvis xelSewyobaa.
– rac Seexeba Tqvens muSaobas maJoritari deputatis kuTxiT?
– Cemze daqvemdebarebuli biuros mier 2017 wlis Tebervlidan, 2020 wlis ianvris CaTvliT inicirebulia Semdegi infrastruqturuli da socialuri proeqtebi: q. baTumSi, javaxiSvilis q.№ #59-Si, Cveni Suamdgomlobis safuZvelze gamoicvala sardafis sakanalizacio sistema, TanadafinansebiT; lermontovis q.№ #100-Si Cven mier inicirebuli proeqtis safuZvelze, SekeTda moedani; javaxiSvilis q.№ #74 (a)-Si mowesrigda amxanagobis saerTo sakuTrebis ezo; mosaxleobis moTxovnis Sesabamisad da Cveni Suamdgomlobis safuZvelze, mimdinareobs sabavSvo baRis mSenebloba lermontovis q. #№102-is mimdebared; javaxiSvilisa da tbel abuseriZis quCebis kveTaSi, baTumis municipalitetis meriaSi Cveni Suamdgomlobis safuZvelze, SekeTda ministadioni; lado asaTianis CixSi mTlianad gamoicvala saniaRvre da sakanalizacio sistema, aseve, mowesrigda savali gzis nawili da daigo safari; Cveni iniciativiT, lermontovis quCaze daidga ori erTeuli mosacdeli; mamia varSaniZis q. #№102-Si Cveni Suamdgomlobis Semdeg gamoicvala sakanalizacio da saniaRvre sistemebi, mimdinareobs gzis savali nawilis da quCis mowesrigeba; mosaxleobis moTxovniT da Cveni SuamdgomlobiT, SekeTda stadioni (moedani) lermontovis q. #№102-Si kirovisa da memed abaSiZis quCebis kveTaSi gamoicvala Sida ezos sakanalizacio sistema, ganxorcielda sxva bevri aqtivoba. yoveli wlis bolos amomrCevels vabareb Cemi, rogorc deputatis saqmianobis angariSs sajarod da eleqtronuli saxiT.

